What about new shooting system?

[Coyotte]

Until now, all basketball games adjust the shooting depending:
1 Time in air while juping
2 How marked the player is
3 Skills - (inside shooting, outside shooting etc)

What do you think about some Shooting Power BAR, like in soccer games?
I think when player execute a jumpshot, dependig how marked he is, how skilled he is, how important is the game moment, the bar goes quick or slow to get the optimal bar area. When player press button until the right time, the ball will reach the basket... What do you think? I've never seen this before and it would bring great adition to the game!!!!
It could be the SURPRISE the EA promisses???


Sorry for the bad english!!!

[Alcoholic]

I think then it will be like free throw shooting. Its hard at first, but eventually you'll be shooting 3's w/ shaq.

[Coyotte]

No, it would be almost impossible, becouse when playing with Shaq, the bar goes too fast making this really dificult to do...
In Shaq's case, this would be extra lucky play, once in a hundred years...

Remember that the bar speed will depend of the situation. For ex kobe jumpshot the ball free, no marking man, 1st quarter, it have to be really easy to do, but plays like Fisher's in game 5 against Spurs would be much more dificult to do...

In Live 2k4, sometimes I think the player will always miss the shoot when i'm defeating CPU in the 4th quarter of the game, very bad and it is just becouse you can't adjust your shoot proper!!!

[jayp]

that feature was present in the NBA shootout games for ps1.. it could be good if implemented well.. the problem with the shootout version was that is slowed gameplay..

[kevC]

that would take too long tho... everyshot takes as long as a free throw?

[Bang]

I think he's referring to more like MVP baseball type accuracy/power bars.
I think it's a pretty good feature to add...I've been thinking about that since I played MVP Baseball.

[Andrew]

I kind of like the idea, but I feel the current method is more challenging. A shooting bar would certainly give you a better idea of how and when to shoot, and whether the shot was going in or not, but I still think I would prefer the traditional method of releasing the ball at the right time. Nice idea though.

[Coyotte]

I think it could be good, but only if really well implemented. Yeah, i'm referring like MVP baseball, like Pro Evolution soccer shoot power bar too. When player jumps, the bar starts to go... It have to be quick, this will not make the game slowly cause the bar will have to appear and disapear during the player jump.

I know soccer is a lot different from basketball, but in PES, when the player will kick the ball, the bar speed changes according to the balance of the player. If the man is marked and have no much ability to shoot from far, the bar goes too fast and the kick is much more dificult to do, in this case, the ball goes to the crowd in the most plays. All this happen very quick, the motion don't stops...

I think the bar could go to the end and than return to the start; with this the player could made the jumpshot while going up and when falling down.
I repeat that, with this method, the cpu will not decide when you will make a succesful shot or a missed shot... And you could reproduce plays like Fisher's last...

what do you think???
Sorry for the bad english... still learning...

[Bang]

Yea. In PES3 it actually is more dependant on the skills than the actual bar. And that bar goes up FAST. And like MVP baseball there should be a red zone where the shot would be inaccurate. I think this will lessen the affect of the comeback code.

[Gripni]

I hate that idea. It would slow down the game too much, make shooting much too easy, and take away from the realism. When you're really playing a basketball game, you don't see a meter that you have to time right. That is the furthest thing from your mind when you take a shot. There is nothing wrong with the holding method. I still think it would be too easy. Even with the worst free throw shooters in the game in superstar, I still shoot about 90% from the line. Shooting is the most important part of the game, and I think this would screw it up.

[sixerfan03]

I think it would be distracting, and it would look stupid.

[Jay-Peso]

I like the way it is now because then you have to release it at the right time for the best shot form. I think march madness tried this a few years ago where you could turn this option on/off. I liked it off because it felt more realistic without it.

[pontiacsilverdome]

Until now, all basketball games adjust the shooting depending:
1 Time in air while juping
2 How marked the player is
3 Skills - (inside shooting, outside shooting etc)

What do you think about some Shooting Power BAR, like in soccer games?
I think when player execute a jumpshot, dependig how marked he is, how skilled he is, how important is the game moment, the bar goes quick or slow to get the optimal bar area. When player press button until the right time, the ball will reach the basket... What do you think? I've never seen this before and it would bring great adition to the game!!!!
It could be the SURPRISE the EA promisses???


Sorry for the bad english!!!

acho que a ea não vai mudar o sistema de arremesso
esse sistema que vc falou parece com o nba shootout
eu particularmente gosto muito desse sistema da ea sports
parece bem real , só é roubado quando o cpu começa a acertar
qualquer bola e de qualquer lugar

ea doesnt change the shot system
the other system it´s just like nbashoot-out
i like the ea system it´s almost real ,is only Fake when cpu starts to make any ball of any place

[Bang]

The thing is, that way you wouldn't be destroyed by the catch up algorithm so many times. It's just annoying when you have a 20 point lead and all your shots miss...for no reason. Also, the computer makes impossible shots for no reason too. You have to remember, the meter goes up fast. Very fast. So it wouldn't delay it.
I don't think the NBA Live shooting system is very realistic. That's just not right. I don't like the fact that you'd have to resort to layups 99% of the time because shots don't go in as well. At least against a human opponents.
oh and too easy? I'm still saying that the shots would depend on skill more than the accuracy of that meter thing. In fact, I'd like to make it harder....especially for layups. I haven't had lower than 60% FG games (yes, with the tweaks.) in a LONG time.
As for stupid and distracting, please state why and please confirm that you've played mvp baseball and PES soccer.
I never say in PES 3 or MVP Baseball "Oh crap, the computer is cheating on me again" cuz I know why I missed the shot, or the pitch, or the throw.
I guess people really don't get the idea. Oh well. The game's now all about dunks anyhow.

[Bang]

The thing would work like this
bar [ |||||] ||s being the red/bad zone
So it would almost be the same as the nba live one.
It will go up 1 bar per .1 millisecond (whatever...in other words, fast..)
The computer then calculates
bar meter (percentage) * FG rating * random number = success or failure.

So the FG rating would still be important!!! It's different from shooting a free throw when you can always make free throws.

[ignatus]

if you shoot in a good position with a good shooter you always score, almost in a computer run....
Anyway I don´t like the idea, for a soccer game that´s good, because the power of the shoot is important, but a bar in a basketball game?!! I wouldn´t like to see it in nba live

[fgrep15]

I just want it to be that players don't make every single open shot which is what it's basically like in the game. Also have the ablility to contest a shot with only one hand, and for the love of God, not soo many fouls on people shooting jumpers, mannnn......
You know what I want also a rating that controls players ability to draw fouls, it would have ranges, and you move it with a slider it could be called free throw attempts per game (this is like per 40 minutes): (1-2), (2-3), (3-4), (4-5), (5-7), (7-9) (10-12). Arenas, Billups, Kobe, Tmac, Pierce 5-6, Elton Brand, Iverson and Maggette would have 7-9, Iverson could also have 10-12, and Shaq would have 10-12 etc, just for when simulating so the players that don't take so many shots but get to the line can get their points without attempting 20 shots a game.

[Alcoholic]

Yeah but then Shaq doesn't really draw free throws that way. If anything his should be lower then most people's because he gets hacked alot. He only goes to the line alot because of hack-a-shaq or when he goes up strong and they purposely hold him down.

[Jackal]

If the max rating for strenght is 99, Shaq should get a 105.

[Coyotte]

I'm talkin about PLAY Basketball games. In NBA Live 2004, it seems we only watch the game. With the actual system, you don't need ability to do the shoot, it depends much more the skills of players... It's very annoying when you play by superstar and in Timberwolves X Bulls you just cant get more than 5 or 6 points ahead and its becouse Stojacovic, marked or not, will gonna miss all shots from 3 points range with just no reason... Its bad, too much bad. I agree it could be dangerous with EA. This guys really cant do something different and real. I'll have to wait for japanese programmers, they could do something really good, or at least wait SEGA decides to release ESPN series for PCs... FIFA, NBA live, NHL and other EA franchise are just piece of garbage...

[matmat8]

:evil: I'm talkin about PLAY Basketball games. In NBA Live 2004, it seems we only watch the game. With the actual system, you don't need ability to do the shoot, it depends much more the skills of players... It's very annoying when you play by superstar and in Timberwolves X Bulls you just cant get more than 5 or 6 points ahead and its becouse Stojacovic, marked or not, will gonna miss all shots from 3 points range with just no reason... Its bad, too much bad. I agree it could be dangerous with EA. This guys really cant do something different and real. I'll have to wait for japanese programmers, they could do something really good, or at least wait SEGA decides to release ESPN series for PCs... FIFA, NBA live, NHL and other EA franchise are just piece of garbage...

Then don't play
I agree for a new shooting system but they would have to come up with something real good.
I would say they shoulg improve this system first with a "real" clutch rating and players would shoot worse or better depending on how you play with them during the season/game.

[Donatello]

:evil: I'm talkin about PLAY Basketball games. In NBA Live 2004, it seems we only watch the game. With the actual system, you don't need ability to do the shoot, it depends much more the skills of players... It's very annoying when you play by superstar and in Timberwolves X Bulls you just cant get more than 5 or 6 points ahead and its becouse Stojacovic, marked or not, will gonna miss all shots from 3 points range with just no reason... Its bad, too much bad. I agree it could be dangerous with EA. This guys really cant do something different and real. I'll have to wait for japanese programmers, they could do something really good, or at least wait SEGA decides to release ESPN series for PCs... FIFA, NBA live, NHL and other EA franchise are just piece of garbage...

then get off of the nba live (EA) boards. your idea was fine...i don't think it's a good idea, i like the current nba live system. make posts that state your problems with the games, that's fine. offer your ideas of how to improve the games, that's fine. but don't just bash them and call them garbage.

[Coyotte]

Sorry everybody... It was not me, it was my brother who wrote that... He dont like sports games too much, only RTS, Counter Strike, PES and NBA Live becouse he plays against his friens on line. He get in this forum to cause some trouble and wrote that thing... Sorry again, I hope you trust me, its true and will not happen again...

I think everybody here wants better gameplay... I think about the bar system becouse you would have more control and this would give you the chance to make a succesful shoot with your own ability to stop pressing the button at the right time. No slow downs and bar speed always depending of the situation... But it's not the only way. I just dont want to see this game like a dunk contest all the time, dunks, dunks, dunks... . The shooting system is most important than freestyle air, dunk contests, all star weekends and good graphics in my pont of view. It have to be better...

[Snilrch]

What do you think about some Shooting Power BAR, like in soccer games?
I think when player execute a jumpshot, dependig how marked he is, how skilled he is, how important is the game moment, the bar goes quick or slow to get the optimal bar area. When player press button until the right time, the ball will reach the basket...
Sorry for the bad english!!!

No, u cant compare soccer with basketball. In a basketball game, each team shoots at least a hundred shot. when u think about shooting. u just shoot. there's no time to make a left or right adjustment in this game.

[cam]

If you are relying on the timing of a meter to release your shot, it would make end of game scenarios impossible.

It is already extremely hard to catch and shoot at the end of a game because of the very bad catching animation that's takes too much time for your player to steady.

Think D Fish in the playoffs, .4 left, catches it on the wing, but when you catch the ball, the bar is in the red, so you wait that extra split second or two for when the bar is in the green, shot goes in, the reviewed basket doesn't count as it was released too late.

I think the existing shooting system is fine, but I agree that some sort of clutch rating system should be effectively implemented.