This is gonna be long, please read it though.
Mafia wrote:As for having the same looking dynasties, people wouldn't even respond after someone asks them what are they doing wrong in their dynasty for people not to respond. Since everybody is doing the same thing, who is going to take the time out to do something new that will take double the time they already do to have a dynasty that people never respond to anyway?
As I said in my previous post, the reason
I don't respond to Dynasty's is because they're all the same. What's the point in posting something in say 3 or 4 separate Dynasty stories that all look and feel exactly the same? If people did put in the effort then maybe people would bother to respond to them
Mafia wrote:Like I said before, it's alot of ideas I can have, but lack of technology experience on stuff such as photoshop keeps me from doing it. If someone is more experience in photoshop than me and can come up with more ideas because that person is more experienced with technology then of course he is going to have alot more ideas. You shouldn't judge people who don't always have the tools to make their dynasty better and they use what they have
This is a fantastic example of how to mis understand what I meant by new idea's.
I'm not talking about fucking around with Photoshop or making video's, I mean just general
idea's. They don't have to be visual or technological, just something that makes whoever's Dynasty stand out from someone elses. Look at this Seonadancing bloke's Dynasty. It's all words, in article form and it's very well written. He doesn't have pictures or radio shows or whatever other fancy thing someone can come up with. It's all about creativity. To be honest, I'd rather read a dynasty that was all words and no pictures if that person could come up with something interesting to keep me interested. I don't want to read game reports that are virtually identical to everyone elses, it's boring and pointless.
Mafia wrote:After having a regular format from like last year dynasty, nobody really wasn't that excited about it anyway then after I saw how many people had the "new" format I saw people responding and I decided to switch to the new format.
So you saw this new format was getting more attention, and the key was that
you saw how many people had the "new" format surely you could've recognized that if everyone took this new format it would gradually become boring, like the regular format? Why didn't you try and come up with a format of your own, something that would differentiate you from the others and due to the fact that you're not just following the pack you're trying to be original. People would recognize that and respect it.
Mafia wrote:I think people should start helping people out in the dynasties to help them coming up with more ideas by actually giving the person suggestions in their thread
I'm not sure I agree with this, I mean the key to creativity and originality is people thinking for themselves. If everyone's just using the idea's that others come up with, there's nothing creative about it that's just basically following the same thing that's happening now.
Mafia wrote: How would some people know that their dynasty needs a change when nobody comes out and say what your doing wrong or how to make it better?
That's a very good point, but at the same time there's been a few times (mainly in the Live 2004 Dynasties) where I've commented on how similar the format of someone's Dynasty is to everyone elses, and they just usually reply with "Yeah I know lol, awell". I think the idea would work only if people will listen.
Mafia wrote:If someone has an idea that they can't use, then why not try to help that person out with the idea to help the other people learn how to use different tools. I know a few people that would help other people with their dynasties with different things such as revlin making that commercial on the video and if I'm not mistaken, he helped cocobee do something to help make his videos for his all-star weekend.
But again, those aren't original idea's. They're just basically the things that are happening now, and also you don't need video's or commercials to have a good Dynasty
story.
Mafia wrote:EDIT: I will also like to add that if your playing 82 games, play every game and give a solid update each time you play it, it will take awhile to finish a season. It's not THAT easy to finish a 82 game season when you play your games. If I could sim most of the game and like play in the 4th quarter, I wouldn't be able to really write recaps (which is my best asset to a dynasty). My recaps wouldn't be that good, because I wouldn't know what happened in the other quarters I played. So that would take away from something that I do well.
You don't have to give recap's for every game though. Something alot of people do in Championship Manager stories is give a result/top scorers for 5 or so games then do a big recap for a good game, you don't need to give a full page 6 paragraph recap after a game where you beat the Bulls by 30. Or why not even sim the "lesser" games and just play/give recaps for the main ones, i.e against play-off teams.
Mafia wrote:It's fun to do it, but either way it seems that if you get hardly any recognition for posting it won't make things better. Taking about two hours out of your day to post a dynasty (even though you like to do it) kinda makes you feel bad when nobody responds to it and if you don't like the dynasty then why not say some things that can help make the dynasty better?
That's a valid point and I understand that, but why not try to come up with something that will give people no option other than to reply to your Dynasty. If you come up with a kick ass idea, or something brand new people are bound to say something about it.
HonorGlow wrote: I was thinking, what's one way that I can help ALL OF YOU...want to keep going and pushing and pushing that dynasty to the next year and next, what's something that I can do to make it just that more interesting.
I chose the Birdie Board concept because, yes, it's a slightly original idea that can't be easily duplicated(at least not yet)
And that's a great way to help the Dynasty community. I mean it annoys me a bit that people haven't fully embraced the Birdie Board idea (not that it isn't popular) but at the same time it's definitely a step in the right direction for being original and freshening things up.
Donatello wrote:On the topic of originality, while part of me agrees with you completely, part of me also says someone had to be the first one to post their dynasty. Therefore everyone who subsoquently posted a Dynasty was not being original. Someone had to be the first to post a screenshot- someone had to be the first to "___________" (insert feature there).....and it continued from there. BUT I DO AGREE THAT PEOPLE DO DIRECTLY TAKE IDEAS WITHOUT AT LEAST GIVING CREDIT.
That's true, but my problem is that people take
alot of idea's and copy them exactly. I mean sure people post screen shots etc, and no one's ever going to be truely and entirely original but why can't people just put their own spin on things? If you like an idea you don't have to duplicate it exactly in your own Dynasty. Take the influence, and make up your own idea from it.
Donatello wrote:And it's not like, for example, the "Rookie Diary" was of your own creation, cocobee......NBA.com inspired you to do that, just as you inspired someone else to do it.
Maybe so, but no one else was using the Rookie Diary at the time. I don't care if someone completely steals an idea from some other website and puts it to use in their Dynasty
as long as it's something that hasn't been used in another Dynasty. THAT is what makes it original, the way it's been implimented.
cocobee wrote:First off, don't lay this all on me. Jae also felt the same way.
And I still do. It annoys me that people won't use their minds to come up with something. I mean, to be honest with cocobee's Dynasty stories I won't admit to being a big fan because I wasn't. I liked them but I never kept up or anything (partially because of 56k) but I mean his team always won and his players averaged massive numbers. But I respect him because
he always tried to come up with something new and that's what it's all about. I mean people can have a team of Shaq/KG/T-Mac/Kobe/Kidd and win every game by 50, but they could STILL make the Dynasty interesting just by making it something original.
I back up Donatello's idea of putting up a message board on livedynasty.com. Again, having a website "add-on" as an homage to NLSC is a fairly new concept, so we're still on the learning curve here. We need patience in this inasmuch as any new idea that comes around the corner.
that basically explained everything in a way and im glad you posted that.
). The purpose of posting a dynasty here IS for comments and discussion...if you can argue that, well....hopefully you can't. Forum=message board=discussion.
