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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:46 am

I've heard the promo between Rock and Punk was awesome, so I'm going to catch RAW when it airs here tonight. With The Rock pretty much being a full-time performer up until Wrestlemania, it's piqued my interest.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby dei. on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:42 am

The promo of Punk before The Rock comes is like the worked shoot he done like 2 years ago. That was good as well.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:28 pm

I went on and checked that segment. Good piece of promo from both guys. Rock was typical Rock, and Punk just killed it. Nicely done. I still hope though, that Punk retains at the Rumble and have Rock face him again at WrestleMania after Rock goes on and work on a regular schedule for three months.

Also Del Rio is now World Heavyweight Champion.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:18 am

I think you have to have Rock go over at the Rumble then "pass the torch" at Wrestlemania. Since he's going to be full-time through Wrestlemania, it's not going to devalue the belt. Plus, it's The Rock; it's not like putting the title on David Arquette.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:47 am

Andrew wrote:...it's not like putting the title on David Arquette.


Totally agree here. Let's see how those two go together when they actually wrestle.

How's the recent Raw? Is it worth watching? I haven't seen any of WWE's programming since SummerSlam of last year.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:19 pm

Andrew wrote:I think you have to have Rock go over at the Rumble then "pass the torch" at Wrestlemania.

That's what I figured they'd do the second they announced he'd be at the Rumble. My guess would be Cena going over in a rematch from last year, rather than Punk. Taking the belt off Punk and then putting it back on him makes no sense.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:50 pm

If nothing else, the final segment with Rock and Punk is worth checking out. Strong mike work from both of them, very good way to kick the feud into gear and more or less start the official "Road to Wrestlemania".
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:57 am

I saw the ending, but was the TLC match any good?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:58 am

Recorded yesterday's Raw, but haven't watched it yet. I always get back into WWE in late December/early January, hate the way they're doing business, boycott Mania, and stop watching until late December/early January. Though with the Australian Tour in July I'll probably hang in until then.

Apparently WWE have signed El Generico. This is either brilliant or awful.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:03 am

awful, since he won't be able to to keep the mask/name
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Qballer on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:13 am

JaoSming wrote:I saw the ending, but was the TLC match any good?

not really. outside of a couple table spots, there was the expected shield run-in, pretty much how theyve been booking ryback so he won't lose clean in any of his matches
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:55 am

20th Anniversary of RAW next week, presumably will feature a few special appearances.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:30 am

JaoSming wrote:awful, since he won't be able to to keep the mask/name

Don't see why he couldn't keep the mask--the first site I read the news on was citing the mask as a good thing given WWE's current direction--and really, the name isn't that important. It's the in-ring limitations, or the possibility he gets stuck in developmental, that are more concerning. The Brainbustaaaaaaaaah, for example, is likely dead.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:38 am

A possible name change aside, I also expect he'll keep the mask and essentially the same gimmick. With Rey nearing the end of his career and Sin Cara not panning out quite as well as they'd hoped, I imagine he'll have an opportunity to step into that role. Masked wrestlers have a lot of potential when it comes to merchandise aimed at younger fans, so they'll likely try to cash in on that rather than have him lose it.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:11 pm

TNA shook up their PPV model

Going forward, the company will produce only four live PPVs in 2013:

Genesis in January, airing this Saturday 1/13
Lockdown on 3/10
Slammiversary on 6/9
Bound for Glory in October on 10/13


As noted earlier on PWInsider.com, TNA will be doing a series of taped "One Night Only" PPV events airing the first Friday night of months they are not broadcasting live PPV events.
PWInsider.com has confirmed with multiple sources the themes for the taped PPVs will be....

TNA X-Travaganza, featuring the stars of the X-Division (airing in April, taping 1/13).

TNA Joker's Wild Tag Team Special, featuring enemies teaming and a Battle Royal final (airing in May, taping 1/13)

TNA Hardcore Justice 2 - ECW reunion style "hardcore" show featuring hardcore stipulation matches bringing in ECW talents.

TNA "10 Reunion" - Stars from the early days of TNA battling inside a Six-Sided ring.

TNA Knockouts Knockdown - One night Knockout tournament with the first round being all stipulation matches and the final four in a "test of their stamina" to see who the final victor is.

TNA International Incident - One night tournament featuring talent from " United States, India, Mexico, Ireland, Canada, Germany, Japan & the UK" with the winner earning a TNA title shot.

TNA X-Division World Cup Tournament - four teams of X-Division wrestlers in a one night tournament featuring singles, tag, six man and eight man tag bouts.

TNA World Cup of Wrestling - Four teams, each captained by a TNA wrestler featuring a Heavyweight wrestler, a tag team and an X-Division wrestler battling in singles, tag and stipulation bouts. The finale will be a "two ring, triple chance Battle Royal."


The newly announced TNA Friday night PPVs will be priced at $14.95.
TNA Genesis and TNA Lockdown will still be priced at $34.95.

TNA Slammiversary and all live PPVs that follow will now be priced at $39.95.

TNA Bound for Glory will be the exception to that rule, since it always had a higher price point, and will now be priced at $44.95.


The taped PPVs at least sound a bit interesting, extras on top of the product which can have good slow/long builds to bigger events.




....as for TNA itself, yay, more relationship stuff........ :roll:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:04 pm

Great move for them from a financial standpoint given the low buyrates. It'll allow them to build the remaining Sunday shows as a Big 4 similar to WWE's major PPVs while giving fans some more affordable specials throughout the year, honouring their PPV deal and still making a little money out of it.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:56 am

Nice promo work from these two guys.

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:50 pm

Spoilers are up for TNA's first two taped PPVs. Both ending with (via PWinsider)
(Note from Richard: this show is worth the $15 price tag)


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also, nice post on TNA's ratings this year
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:21 pm

The Rock's appearance on Smackdown:

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:15 am

TNA has dropped the lawsuit against WWE, so expect Ric Flair to get a contract in the not too distant future.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bowdown on Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:34 am

I feel like Ric Flair might collapse due to a heart attack in the ring sometime (for real this time). He shouldnt raise his blood pressure so much now. Probably took a lot of supplements and painkillers back in the day that have made his heart weak enough already.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:37 am

He'd be wrestling the occasional match in WWE, if at all. More likely he'll have some kind of backstage role (one of his daughters is currently in developmental) and if he does have an on-screen presence, it'll probably be something like a GM role.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bowdown on Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:00 am

He flips his shit even during promos though. You see all those veins popping on his face when he gets all into it? I get really worried this man might collapse any moment.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:02 am

Supposedly he's in pretty decent health despite his profession and the abuse he's put his body through.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bowdown on Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:36 am

Cardiovascular problems arent very predictable though unless you are specifically screened for them. Should take it easy from now on. Like when he played the part-owner of the WWE gig. He was pretty mellow then.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:37 am

I'm guessing not every promo is going to be super intense.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby dei. on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:49 pm

bowdown wrote:He flips his shit even during promos though. You see all those veins popping on his face when he gets all into it? I get really worried this man might collapse any moment.


A good example



A mediocre RAW after a good one before that. CM Punk not being a cowardly heel and being the one to attack The Rock was cool. Still have to watch the Ziggler/Cena cage match.

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:39 pm

JaoSming wrote:Spoilers are up for TNA's first two taped PPVs. Both ending with (via PWinsider)
(Note from Richard: this show is worth the $15 price tag)


WRASSLIN

Impact, on the other hand, is worse than it's ever been.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:25 am

indeed,
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:42 am

Brooke Hogan?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:09 am

Brooke Hogan's tits
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Qballer on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:47 am

JaoSming wrote:Brooke Hogan's tits

(Y) (Y)
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:09 am

Andrew wrote:Brooke Hogan?

More Hulk, really. Inserting himself into angles for no reason, including some stupid angle with Bully Ray dating Brooke and Hogan refusing to let him (because, as one of the Impact recaps said, how dare adults date?), then Aces & 8s breaking up the wedding being led by young up-and-comer Taz, but having no heat because they've all been squashed by young up-and-comer Sting. And Abyss is now a lawyer, or something, except that he's not Abyss, he's Abyss's brother, and may or may not actually be Abyss but suffer from some sort of personality disorder, but the angle's gone absolutely nowhere in over a year, over which time "Joseph" Park has become a permanent character, and by the time any reveal is done, nobody will even remember who the fuck Abyss even was. And AJ Styles has announced that as a result of sucking constantly he's sick of doing the 'right' thing and is going to do his own thing, but we have no idea what that is because he hasn't been on TV since.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:50 am

Plus side being Daniels doing anything, Aries and Roode sorta working together, X-Division that isn't RVD (who is the champ of course), and of course the in-ring action.

There is a lot of :facepalm2: going on though.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:17 pm

Wow....Cena's promo at the end raw..... :turrible:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:31 pm

Read the recap, sounded like it was pretty lame and poorly received, especially in comparison to the stuff with Rock and Punk.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:33 am

Raw as a whole was terrible. Cena's promo was just awful, and most of the show had the Beat the Clock challenge that ended up meaning precisely nothing.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:24 pm

So, Rematchmania?

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:03 pm

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Andrew wrote:I think you have to have Rock go over at the Rumble then "pass the torch" at Wrestlemania.

That's what I figured they'd do the second they announced he'd be at the Rumble. My guess would be Cena going over in a rematch from last year, rather than Punk. Taking the belt off Punk and then putting it back on him makes no sense.


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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:05 pm

I feel bad for Punk. Certainly there's no rematch clause one-on-one vs. Rock since the next PPV will be the Elimination Chamber and there's no way he'll win it back immediately. The way he lost it felt lame too, as I was expecting more like a wrestling match (it was OK, IMO).

I was also hoping for Ziggler to win the Rumble. Y2J's appearance was great and the pop was huge. Cena winning seals the deal that it's "Twice in a Lifetime."


Okay, I'm not seeing any WWE show again until something interesting comes up. This is shit.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:38 pm

One of the biggest stars of all-time coming back for an extended run rather than some once-off appearances isn't interesting? Personally, I'm glad to see that happening with The Rock and I'm glad to see him win the WWE Championship. It doesn't undermine Punk's long reign and I doubt he's going to fall off the map.

However, with that in mind, The Rock needs to wrestle some matches on TV. He'll be making consistent appearances so I'm guessing it'll happen, even if some of them are tags or end in no-contests. That's fine, so long as the in-ring work is fine and it advances the storylines.

As far as the result of the Rumble itself...fair enough I guess. Ziggler winning the Rumble wouldn't have made any sense and would've been a waste, as he's already got a title shot by way of Money in the Bank. I think it sets up a moneymaking match and there's really only a few people you'd want to put over as the Rumble winner at the moment.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:56 pm

That's what I fear to happen: Rock carrying the belt and not actually wrestle. He can appear on a weekly basis, hell even the taped segments may come back and its appreciated. However, my points from the previous pages that Rock not actually doing kayfabe shit to earn the shot at the title.

I also have to take back what I said about the Punk-Rock match being OK. :lol:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:38 pm

Rock's mic work last year was woeful; I'm not looking forward to having to put up with that again. Neither he nor Cena particularly need the rub at this point.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby formyhunny on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:23 pm

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Although I didn't mind Punk losing the title to The Rock , if the rumors are true that CM Punk would face The Undertaker at Wrestlemania, because a title match between those 2 would make less sense than Cena vs The Rock II in my opinion.

BTW, does anyone watch the wrestling in Japan? They got some pretty good stuff. The IWGP title match between Tanahashi and Okada from the NJPW Tokyo Dome show was one good match in my opinion.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Qballer on Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:47 pm

we really shouldn't be spoilering any of this, but cena winning the rumble was not a surprise to set up the rematch at wrestlemania. i kind of rolled my eyes once they got to the end and had all 3 babyface supermen in the ring at the same time.

honestly, i hate it when matches end up in a draw or get changed into a tag match midway or get restarted.... what a waste of my time. i'd much rather have rock kick out of a GTS or kick out after that powerbomb through the table and have him come back from a false finish.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:32 am

yea, but it puts over the moves by them not kicking out. something WWE was screwing with in years past.

Ziggler unifying the titles at WM would have been an amazing storyline that could have put him over....build a new star instead of sticking with the same ol....
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:24 am

hopefully its with more shows
WWE and Brock Lesnar have come to terms for a new two year deal. Lesnar will be locked in to the company through Wrestlemania 31.
Lesnar's current existing deal was set to expire at Wrestlemania 29.

as for Jericho
Chris Jericho has signed a new short-term deal with WWE and will be working for the company full-time through Wrestlemania 29, according to multiple sources. The two sides quietly came to a deal a few weeks ago I am told.
WWE has put a video online with Jericho and Dolph Ziggler going back and forth, so that appears to be the direction they are going in with him.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby buzzy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:00 am

what a terribly predictable show. just missed a stare down between cena and rock at the end. we're gonna get that tonight i presume.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:41 am

JaoSming wrote:yea, but it puts over the moves by them not kicking out. something WWE was screwing with in years past.

Ziggler unifying the titles at WM would have been an amazing storyline that could have put him over....build a new star instead of sticking with the same ol....

Not to mention they really do need to unify them now that the brand extension is dead. The WHC is completely meaningless these days.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:09 am

It does allow them to push two workers atop the card in an effort to build more stars but yeah, with the brand extension basically over it's a good time to unify them.
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