NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Talk about NBA 2K18 here.

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby sticky-fingers on Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:07 am

Hadley88 wrote:I dont know what the fuck they did between 2K16 and 2K17 but it broke the Performance.

It's even start with 2K16, and slightly better on 2K18 than on 2K17 on my 970
2k15 4K 60 FPS (DSR)
2k16 2K 60 FPS (DSR)
2K17 60 FPS FHD
2K18 2K 60 FPS (DSR)

Hadley88 wrote:This is fucking unacceptable especially since the Game does not look any better than 2K16!


(Y)
User avatar
sticky-fingers
 
Posts: 649
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:33 am

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby I Hate Mondays on Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:06 am

The performance issues are actually crowd-related as you've speculated.

From what I've understood from a WWE 2K forum, when you select a specific AA level (1-2-4-8) in the main menu, that AA is also applied to the crowd. So instead of having neat edges for just a few important items that you actually look at during gameplay...like idk, the actual players, stanchions, dornas, ball, jersey textures and maybe bench stuff and general sideline items that are close to the action, you suddenly have hundreds of items (as in hundreds of crowd people you can actually see on the screen) demanding a lot of video memory so they can rock that AA setting you had in your main menu.
That was not a typo, I've wrote WWE 2K because that game has never been optimised for the PC community since like its first release in 2016 and it has the same crowd problems. FPS are a joke during some entrances and some far-away camera views. So this crowd-related problem is general thing for the 2K sports games. The AMD Video Cards also seem to handle these AA demands better for the WWE 2K game as they do for NBA 2K. No idea why but it looks like it's a fact - could be software related.

To draw a line here and sum up things, that's why your game will lag like crap for some specific arenas and camera views, during fastbreaks or inbound plays -> the PoV gets very far away and more crowd people are presented on the screen, therefore there are more demands for your video card.
That's why you get better performance when you lower the AA or the crowd settings for both NBA and WWE 2K. It's because 2K are smart and aware of their problem. Noticed how when you lower the crowd setting, you actually get fewer people in the crowd for both games instead of getting lower quality textures for the spectators? That's because what they roll with right now actually makes a difference, you get less items on your screen and therefore the demands are lower -> your games run better. The later option wouldn't make a difference.
Image
User avatar
I Hate Mondays
 
Posts: 2684
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:41 am
Location: Romania

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby Andrew on Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:13 am

I Hate Mondays wrote:The performance issues are actually crowd-related as you've speculated.

From what I've understood from a WWE 2K forum, when you select a specific AA level (1-2-4-8) in the main menu, that AA is also applied to the crowd. So instead of having neat edges for just a few important items that you actually look at during gameplay...like idk, the actual players, stanchions, dornas, ball, jersey textures and maybe bench stuff and general sideline items that are close to the action, you suddenly have hundreds of items (as in hundreds of crowd people you can actually see on the screen) demanding a lot of video memory so they can rock that AA setting you had in your main menu.
That was not a typo, I've wrote WWE 2K because that game has never been optimised for the PC community since like its first release in 2016 and it has the same crowd problems. FPS are a joke during some entrances and some far-away camera views. So this crowd-related problem is general thing for the 2K sports games. The AMD Video Cards also seem to handle these AA demands better for the WWE 2K game as they do for NBA 2K. No idea why but it looks like it's a fact - could be software related.

To draw a line here and sum up things, that's why your game will lag like crap for some specific arenas and camera views, during fastbreaks or inbound plays -> the PoV gets very far away and more crowd people are presented on the screen, therefore there are more demands for your video card.
That's why you get better performance when you lower the AA or the crowd settings for both NBA and WWE 2K. It's because 2K are smart and aware of their problem. Noticed how when you lower the crowd setting, you actually get fewer people in the crowd for both games instead of getting lower quality textures for the spectators? That's because what they roll with right now actually makes a difference, you get less items on your screen and therefore the demands are lower -> your games run better. The later option wouldn't make a difference.


Excellent summary of the situation. Important to keep in mind. (Y)
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005 | NBA Live 2004
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
45? That's a bad luck number!
Administrator
 
Posts: 101963
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby elsoulas on Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:05 am

The analysis is correct. But another issue why it plays smoothly in Fullscreen Windowed Mode and not in Full Screen. Moreover why changes in Nvidia CP dont seem to apply ingame.
elsoulas
 
Posts: 63
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:06 am

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby StyxTx on Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:09 pm

Just curious. How many people play using the display port rather than an hdmi cable? I've found hdmi to be less able to handle high resolutions smoothly in gaming.
User avatar
StyxTx
 
Posts: 307
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:54 pm

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby sticky-fingers on Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:06 pm

I use both (one on TV, one on Monitor), but I dont think video port impacts performances.
You just can go on higher res. with display port
User avatar
sticky-fingers
 
Posts: 649
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:33 am

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby StyxTx on Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:45 pm

sticky-fingers wrote:I use both (one on TV, one on Monitor), but I dont think video port impacts performances.
You just can go on higher res. with display port


It may not all by itself, but combined with the system settings, things running in the background, etc, it makes a difference on most of the games I have. Civilization 6, for one. I've done quite a bit of testing with hdmi and display port.

I know it doesn't completely eliminate some of the crap I've seen in 2k, but I never see some of the problems people talk about, at least to the extremes they mention, but I know there are some issues with 2k. I'm pretty sure they have no idea how to fix them.

As far as PS4 or XBox, I can't say since I buy primarily PC games.
User avatar
StyxTx
 
Posts: 307
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:54 pm

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby Rosque on Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:59 am

I Hate Mondays, holy crap...that DID improve my performance. And it is really noticeable. Even on my R9 280 gfx card
User avatar
Rosque
 
Posts: 912
Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:58 pm

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby I Hate Mondays on Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:50 am

Rosque wrote:I Hate Mondays, holy crap...that DID improve my performance. And it is really noticeable. Even on my R9 280 gfx card


What worked for you?
Image
User avatar
I Hate Mondays
 
Posts: 2684
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:41 am
Location: Romania

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby Rosque on Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:35 am

Lowering crowd details. Saw 10% average FPS bump and minimum by 20%. Those wide angles were killing me. Now it is much better. Numbers are 68 now and 62 before for average and 52 now and 43 before on min FPS.
User avatar
Rosque
 
Posts: 912
Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:58 pm

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby I Hate Mondays on Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:15 am

Rosque wrote:Lowering crowd details. Saw 10% average FPS bump and minimum by 20%. Those wide angles were killing me. Now it is much better. Numbers are 68 now and 62 before for average and 52 now and 43 before on min FPS.


That shouldn't be an option though. The game should run smoothly with normal settings. I am glad it worked for you though
Image
User avatar
I Hate Mondays
 
Posts: 2684
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:41 am
Location: Romania

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby Rosque on Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:13 am

This wasn't the case for 2K17 so it seems like something went to crap this year. At least for me.
User avatar
Rosque
 
Posts: 912
Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:58 pm

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby RobDavis on Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:33 am

Been running the game for a while now with no hiccups. I was getting stuttering a while back cant remember what I did to fix it. I'm Running the game at 4K DSR but instead of the normal DSR setting, I'm running a custom resolution. You can do this under Change resolution in the Nvidia control panel.

Now that I think about it the custom resolution may have fixed my stuttering.

Here is my config..

Monitor: LG Ultrawide Monitor 21:9
CPU: i7 4770K
GPU: GTX 1080 Ti
Cable: Display Port

2K18 Video Settings, everything under advanced is on or maxed

NBA 2K18.png


Nvidia Control Panel

1.PNG


2.PNG


Custom Resolution settings

3.PNG
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
User avatar
RobDavis
 
Posts: 85
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:49 am

Re: NVIDIA Users - Performance this year?

Postby LeGod on Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:09 am

Hey. Just wanna ask.

Is there a low quality Spalding logo on the back of the Boston Celtics TD Garden stanchion?
LeGod
 
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:11 am

Previous

Return to NBA 2K18

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests