Dee4Three wrote:Couple things here.
The comment "without cheating it" means that you are playing the game to allow the CPU to beat you and not using your strengths on the court. By saying that, you are saying that even though you know you can run by the computer at any time with no moves, you won't do it and because of that the CPU is harder? Think about that for a second. That means that the game you played isn't even real, it's not a real competition. How is that fun at all? We are supposed to adjust to the CPU to win, we are supposed to have strategy to win, you are telling me that in a 2017 sports simulation that the AI is so incompetent and flat out horrible that we have to let the CPU compete and win? Let that sink in for a moment.
I can beat NES Contra without dying, maybe I should walk into some bullets to make the game more of a challenge. Or maybe I should jump into a couple holes. Actually, maybe I'll just not use the S (spread gun) in the game and just play the whole game with the Machine Gun, that way I die more and it's more of a challenge.
In regards to the help defense, so the on ball defense is still complete trash. Meaning that there is no difference with me getting by my guy with John Wall or Trevor Booker, and it doesn't matter if I'm driving on Leonard or Novak. So essentially... player defensive ratings are fluff, they are for show, they don't matter, and offensive players dribbling abilities etc don't matter.
Why the hell would I want to play a broken game like that? Also, I havn't tried the above mentioned steps, but I have tried all the other ones people said would work and they absolutely did not.
The skating in this game is also a complete killer, it's like they are playing on ice with tennis shoes. Put the game in slow motion and go close up on the players feet, watch how every step they are sliding all over the floor. It looks and feels ridiculous.
The AI in this game absolutely stinks.
The CPU offense is so bad, and is ridiculously easy to stop with icon switching. Maybe I should just not use Icon switching, that way the CPU gets easier shots and has a better chance of beating me. Maybe I should not push my joystick towards the offensive player to make him miss, maybe if I did that the CPU offense would not shoot 3 for 19 to begin a game, only to be blown out by me only running towards the hoop with no moves while shooting like 70% from the floor.
I went back and played NBA 2K9, 2K10, etc. And the AI absolutely would destroy you if you didn't play smart. I lost a regular season game against the Cavs using the Celtics on 2K10 by 30 because I wasn't playing smart. They literally were picking apart my defense, taking smart shots, pummeling me. Offensively, I failed because I wasn't running much of anything, I was trying to play iso ball all the time, I was exploited because of it.
Seven years later, and the AI plays like absolute trash, and it also ruins the user vs user experience. And, they brought back skating to make the game feel even more unrealistic.
Maybe I should ignore the fact that this game boasts itself as a simulation, but the gameplay itself is the furthest thing from it, and the big heads all over the league, bodies that do not look like athletes, the worst most unrealistic atmosphere in 2K history, the lighting that doesn't resemble a real broadcast at all, ratings/tendencies and signatures that are a lot of times just flat out unrealistic and inaccurate (that don't even impact the gameplay anyway because the gameplay is so bad).
All the while maybe I should just ignore the fact that 2K boasts ratings that they mostly paid for, brag about sales and "being the best", meanwhile milking the consumer base for every penny they have using a VC system that basically forces people to pay to compete, otherwise they will suck and not be socially accepted in the game.
In regards to Operation Sports, they look at that one not only because it's the most popular site, but because it's a controlled site. People have to tip toe around real issues, you can't even create new topics as a new member. 2K loves a controlled atmosphere to pull feedback from, because that way it's more positive. It's not a real measure of the game.
In regards to Leftos and JaoSming, I am guessing they have very little control over how they respond on here, or if they do. They probably are not allowed to comment on these things, and that's not their fault, I don't hold that against them. The gameplay itself probably has nothing to do with them either. I actually feel bad in a sense for someone like JaoSming who probably has opinions he wants to express on here, but has to stay silent because he works for 2K. I don't blame him for choosing the route of working for the company, if I was ever to receive an offer to do so in a capacity (like that would ever happen) it would probably be a dream come true. Basketball and basketball video games (and playing) is the biggest part of my life. I just had a league game on Thursday and just being out there playing the game I love was the greatest feeling ever, it is whenever I play.
This game does not feel like real basketball to me at all, it feels like an arcade game, a poorly executed one.]
m29a wrote:I won't act like it's not easy to drive to the basket. It is. And it should be harder, especially when going against an elite defender. However I gotta ask you guys, I can't read all the posts here, but do you just want like 90% brick walling back, to the point where you almost always have to pick n roll to drive most of the time? I hope they can find a happy medium between the two. I do want elite defenders to have more of an impact. I wouldn't say it's broken though, the 2K devs knew it would be like this, in the dev blogs they said a few times "brick walling is gone". It was due to complaints for the last couple years.
TheRocket wrote:I did a short compilation of CPU's most recent pick and roll defense in my recent game, that's where we got through these years of developing. I should also mention that I put pick and roll defense IQ, on ball defense iq and shot contest at 99 for all players.
This is on hall of fame
https://streamable.com/10qyu
Dee4Three wrote:TheRocket wrote:I did a short compilation of CPU's most recent pick and roll defense in my recent game, that's where we got through these years of developing. I should also mention that I put pick and roll defense IQ, on ball defense iq and shot contest at 99 for all players.
This is on hall of fame
https://streamable.com/10qyu
This was a problem in 2K17, and it's no better in 2K18 (I think it's worse). Reason being, the help defense in 2K18 is worse. Look at the defender in the paint actually move away as the ball handler is heading towards the hoop.
Also, look at the skating as you are making your way into the paint, it looks so ridiculous.
The game has so many major gameplay flaws.
Jeffx wrote:Damn, I must really suck if you cats find this game easy on the higher levels (I play on PS3-All-Star).
Player skating is the worst part - it's nearly impossible to stay with your man, especially guards.
Defensive AI is horrible - my defenders leave 3-point shooters wide open to guard the paint, they get stuck to each other thanks to constant screens by the CPU, or they'll slide past their man.
TheRocket wrote:If someone told me a year ago that I would enjoy LIVE 18 more than 2k18 I would've laughed in his face. But it is how it is right now, couple of days ago I played what I think was my last game in 2k18. After I scored an uncontested layup for the third time in a row after the pick and roll with no help defense and defensive rotation whatsoever I just quit the game. While Live has its problems I don't get nearly frustrated as I get playing 2k18. Right now it's so crazy that I am looking forward to Live 19 and how is it going to look like more than 2k19 as I am afraid they will not be able to fix all the crap from 2k18 in one, well less than 1 year.
Dee i saw your post how you could make a 10 minute video on gamebreaking stuff in 2k18 and I totally get you, can't believe I was defending this game just couple of months ago.
Dee4Three wrote:
2. Wanting it to be good so bad:
- People will latch onto a title/brand/series, and literally want the product to do so well, that they ignore the actual issues and feedback related to the product. They will jump in head first, and even if things frustrate them, they will stay silent about it because they believe that the company "Obviously knows what they are doing". A lot of times people do this because it's the cool thing to do, like... who doesn't play 2k? All the persons buds are playing 2K, the kids parents are probably playing 2K, the dog would be playing it if they could, it's a hip trend. People will talk it up, talk about epic games, talk about "Duuuuuddeee, I'm gonna sooo crush you with LeBron using the 06-07 Cavs, dudddde", while completely ignoring all of the actual (And sometimes gamebreaking) issues that the game truly has, they will also ignore the big heads flooding the league and the other graphical anomalies. Online play is the other thing, you don't want to be the dude who can't play with your buddies... I mean... ALL your buddies are in MyPark, they are playing online. You really have no choice but to jump in.
poke wrote:I have some pretty decent sliders. If you're interested let me know. I'll post some gameplay footage too.
TheRocket wrote:I'm in the same boat, I actually realized that there is no point in messing with sliders, at least for me, because every change makes the game easier so it was somewhat challenging only on Hall of Fame default. But nothing can really fix the defense that is really really terrible this year as Dee stated it as well and had to fight with a lot of people to prove it. I was among these people and I understand them because 2k was like a holy grail of basketball gaming that just found the way to make a great game over and over again and got more and more fans so it's kind of hard for people to give up on it and they restrict themselves when playing it, try to force themselves enjoy it etc.
This 2k is the one I had most frustration and least fun with. I started playing 2k with 2k9 and I have never really stopped playing the current version of the game until the next one came out until this year, that's how bad it is. I could talk and talk about its issues but there are so many and I gave up on the game so I don't really feel like going over it again. At the moment I am playing Live 18 and have much more fun with it, and sliders actually work as intended, the game has been tuned throughout the year, unlike 2k that didn't fix almost any of the major issues. I am looking forward to Live 19 and I am really curious how is it going to look. I will try 2k19 when the demo comes out and if these gameplay issues are still there I am going with Live 19.
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