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Postby PeacemanNOT on Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:33 am

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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:30 am

I watched the whole video.

Here are my takes below. I was typing while watching. overall, this made me even more excited for the game. I love the look of it, and I really like the presentation improvements.


- The presentation for the All-Time teams is a little off. They show Jimmy Butler for the Bulls and Andre Drummond for the Pistons. Only reason is, they are being treated like regular teams (So the players shown will be current players) I had a feeling that might happen, it's the same when we mod.

+ I like that beginning right before the game "The following presentation of the NBA"

+ The graphics kind of returned to the look of NBA 2K11 (With the way the players look). That is not a bad thing, I really like how the game looks. Obviously I am not saying that 2K11 is as good as next gen, it's just the overall look of the players and atmosphere around them.

+ I love Ben Wallace's Fro.

- While I like the graphics, players are really lacking muscle tone, look at Pippen. That's nothing like the Pippen of real life. Ben Wallace is really thin here. The players lacking Traps looks odd.

+ It looks like they fixed some of the over bumping that occurred.

+ I like the net sound effects, they are more pronounced

+ They added court chatter, feels like the older 2k's.. I love that.

- Transition defense seems a little broken still, watch at 6:29. Pippen is wide open (User didn't pass it to him until it was too late..) and the pistons defender (Grant Hill) doesn't even react to Pippen, at all, he isn't even facing that direction. Pippen just waltz's into the lane wide open.

+ Love the new cut scenes that show the player and his name (Grant Hill at 7:40)

+ The pace looks better

- Pick n Rolls might be a little easy still, look at the lack of coverage at 9:57. The roll man (Rodman) is left wide open. That collision on that same play reminded me of NBA 2K15. Nice hard foul by Laimbeer (Which he would do)

+ I LOVE the stat overlays at the foul line. I've been wanting that for years.

+ The camera looks great on free throws, I like that they made it closer up. Check out the cool camera angle on Rips first free throw at 15:47.

- Pistons Rodman should not be shooting three's....

o It would have been nice if the user didn't go passed the between quarters presentation...

+ Watch Butler at 12:18, I like that animation. he is driving but not being bumped into animations like in NBA 2K17. It looks clean

+ We may be able to use the same scoreboard mods from NBA 2K17, structure is identical.

+ Looks like they got rid of the annoying assistant coach....

- Body Steals still look a bit easy, like at 16:48

+ Jordans new face is amazing

+ I like the halftime highlights. They went back to what made the highlights on 2K14 and before so good. Slow motion, good camera views. Awesome.

+ He cut it short, but it looks like they were going to show highlights of Thomas when the first half started. This is a great touch.

+ It looks like the glitch of the defender standing out of bounds (Wing defender) is gone. I didn't see it in this video once.

- Some clipping issues still exist, as expected.

+ He let the transition to the 4th show, again I like the highlights. I like the end of the game slow motion highlights as well.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:49 am

I'm not great when it comes to analysing gameplay, but from my first impression from this is that animations and especially passing looks kind of awkward.

I also hate the way jump shot animations are ruined with that "rhythm" feature they added last year. It forces them to lean back if the jumpshot is not a perfect release, it's especially noticeable with Jordan's release.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby sticky-fingers on Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:51 am

First step seems to be better even vs the CPU

@24:48 reverse dribble loose ball still here :roll:

I.Thomas'face is awful
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:58 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:I'm not great when it comes to analysing gameplay, but from my first impression from this is that animations and especially passing looks kind of awkward.

I also hate the way jump shot animations are ruined with that "rhythm" feature they added last year. It forces them to lean back if the jumpshot is not a perfect release, it's especially noticeable with Jordan's release.


I agree, and I've also never liked protected shots. They happen when they shouldn't.

The passing does look a bit awkward, I see passes being a bit slower again. Players are taught at a young age to whip the ball on a pass, like pass it with purpose, I learned that when I was super young. Not sure why they can't get that right.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby sticky-fingers on Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:02 am

You're right, MJ face is amazing, but there's something weird with his teeth 33:40

5:20 pump fake seems doesnt work again and what the next movement ?! :crazyeyes:
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby dare on Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:54 am

Looks good and lol at that pump fake going through hop step, isn't that an issue way back 2k13?
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby cavs4872 on Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:20 am

omg how ugly was the sequence at 3:45

Dee4Three wrote:+ I like that beginning right before the game "The following presentation of the NBA"

This theme was actually a throwback from 2K9.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:39 am

cavs4872 wrote:omg how ugly was the sequence at 3:45

Dee4Three wrote:+ I like that beginning right before the game "The following presentation of the NBA"

This theme was actually a throwback from 2K9.


Fine by me, love the classic stuff.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby TBM on Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:58 pm

The MJ face looks like a mod (in a good way). Like, there's even veins in the texture,
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby dalegremio on Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:22 pm

Jump shot animations still bad, these bad animations started in 2k16. Look at Jordan jumpshot, it's the same as Curry sometimes.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby bongo88 on Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:58 pm

A Couple AI things i noticed that were good. I dont know if they are in 2k17 or other recent games. I still play 2k11 and 2k10 mostly. Have followed the recent games casually at launch, then mostly read about the many problems over at operationsports :) I got 2k13, but still prefer 2k11 and 2k10 and play them randomly. anyways.

23:57 The human defender Cheats the screen way too far. CPU Isaiah Thomas breaks the play and does a nice drive to the basket. Dunno if that was present in recent 2k games, but it was a good decision by the AI against the human error.
The real experiment would be to cheat the screen against lesser guards and see if they make the same read, or if it's just top tier guards like Isaiah.

25:14 Isaiah loses his man on the inbound play. Human Rodman is all over and CPU Isaiah makes a nice cut to the basket. Again a nice read by the AI. Would the AI have cut elswhere had Human controlled Rodman played defense and not be screaming at fans in the 3rd row, dunno.

I also noticed the variety of fast breaks exhibited in the game. These might be present from 2k15-2k17. I dunno. Don't own them and have followed them only lightly. But the older ones i have played, most fast breaks ended up rather crowded under the rim.

Anyways, in the gameplay i saw these examples

28:03 rather crowded fast break (the crowdedness is fine. But announcer says love gets the assist after butler dribbles half the court. that was rather odd.)
31:39 less crowded fast break
40:15 breakaway grant hill dunk (empty backfield and nice outlet pass from the AI center. Maybe a little to aware, but wasn't gameplay jarring.)
40:50 rather empty breakaway Jordan Dunk (human player)

The jordan one was a pleasant surprise because in older 2k the AI programming would've made that play rather crowded. Glad they remembered that some fast breaks were rather empty in the backcourt for human players as well as cpu.
anyways, those were the few moments of rather good gameplay.

Havent followed the new 2k closely so these might be standard features.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby vinhobbs_123 on Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:33 pm

Dee4Three wrote:
cavs4872 wrote:omg how ugly was the sequence at 3:45

Dee4Three wrote:+ I like that beginning right before the game "The following presentation of the NBA"

This theme was actually a throwback from 2K9.


Fine by me, love the classic stuff.


So dee, you will overwrite your roster on 30 all-time team?
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby laroche23 on Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:37 pm

Sincerely the game does not look that different from 2k17...just upgraded presentation.. hopefully I am wrong .
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:33 pm

More gameplay but this time it's from the 2K camera view:

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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Murat on Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:43 pm

at 6:39 you can see the Thunder's statement jersey. LEAK LEAK LEAK

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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Sauru on Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:00 am

shooting really that hard or is this guy just really bad?
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dee4Three on Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:22 am

Sauru wrote:shooting really that hard or is this guy just really bad?


He is really that bad. Look how unorthodox he plays, he is not using anybody right. He's jacking threes with Rose and Jordan all game, didn't use Pippen once.

Love that he showed gameplay. Props to him for that. But it's frustrating when I see these early gameplay videos come out with players who are just not good at the game. They could make the early gameplay footage look much better if they had some good 2k players showing off the game.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:35 am

Dee4Three wrote:
Sauru wrote:shooting really that hard or is this guy just really bad?


He is really that bad. Look how unorthodox he plays, he is not using anybody right. He's jacking threes with Rose and Jordan all game, didn't use Pippen once.

Love that he showed gameplay. Props to him for that. But it's frustrating when I see these early gameplay videos come out with players who are just not good at the game. They could make the early gameplay footage look much better if they had some good 2k players showing off the game.

To be fair it was probably his first time playing and he was just testing it out. From what I believe everyone at the event was under a time constraint and people were all waiting for a go at the game. There was a limited amount of PS4's at hand so they were all rushing their playing time in.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dee4Three on Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:44 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:
Sauru wrote:shooting really that hard or is this guy just really bad?


He is really that bad. Look how unorthodox he plays, he is not using anybody right. He's jacking threes with Rose and Jordan all game, didn't use Pippen once.

Love that he showed gameplay. Props to him for that. But it's frustrating when I see these early gameplay videos come out with players who are just not good at the game. They could make the early gameplay footage look much better if they had some good 2k players showing off the game.

To be fair it was probably his first time playing and he was just testing it out. From what I believe everyone at the event was under a time constraint and people were all waiting for a go at the game. There was a limited amount of PS4's at hand so they were all rushing their playing time in.


That doesn't mean you take like 10 threes in 6 minute quarters with Michael Jordan, or use Rose the same way. Or not use hardly anybody else on the team.

I'm glad he uploaded. But watching the video, it seems that he doesn't know basketball. I can see him losing on the first time while using players somewhat like themselves, but this was the furthest from that.

But honestly, he's probably a super casual player (which takes up a large portion of consumers). I've played against people like that before, they usually play on pro and play like he played here. That's fine, no problems with that. Just wish they had someone who used the players right showing off the game in the early stages.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby diamenz on Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:16 am

NOT GOOD - pipp is spazzing out losing his man similiar to 2k17:

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rodman having some trouble running lol:

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these are strawberryshortcake's gif's from os

also here, @ 12:34 & 14:10

https://youtu.be/lUSI7fdOStw?t=12m34s

very, very discouraging.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Hadley88 on Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:49 am

Feels like there is SSAO or Shadows missing. Overall looks way too bright.
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Postby Magicola on Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:58 pm

video of first post, 5:20 horrible travel
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby diamenz on Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:50 am

im surprised no one's trippin out about my previous post. from what ive seen, the same fundamental defensive issues that plagued 2k17 carried over to 18.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby PeacemanNOT on Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:19 am

diamenz wrote:im surprised no one's trippin out about my previous post. from what ive seen, the same fundamental defensive issues that plagued 2k17 carried over to 18.

At this point I just need to get the game in my hands to get a true sense of how the game plays. Can't wait for Friday...
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby CarolusXCI on Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:05 pm

Really?

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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dee4Three on Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:11 pm

CarolusXCI wrote:Really?

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Oh no...

I was hoping for more licenses....
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Andrew on Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:37 pm

That's unfortunate. I guess starting five is better than nothing at all.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Murat on Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:40 pm

At least we have skilled modders to convert them to real ballers.
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Postby I Hate Mondays on Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:04 pm

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Some new Thunder vs Bulls gameplay (all time greats). Unfortunately, only the first 90 seconds or so are relevant. The rest of the video is some commentary and that old Pistons vs Bulls video playing in the background.
First 15 seconds and I see a CPU alley-opp in a situation that where an opp wasn't the obvious choice. Beautiful sight for my eyes.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby bongo88 on Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:31 am

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Another gameplay video

According to the Audio, you can now choose which hand to layup the ball with analogue stick. *Groundbreaking* :) never been done before. glad they put it back into the game, haha
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:01 am

Yeah, it's frustrating when they announce something as a new feature when it was clearly in yhe prior game or games... ugh.

On the positive side, It looks like the skinny body type is gone, Dennis Johnson doesn't have it anymore.

However, I will agree with the person who posted that it looks like the game is missing a shader...
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Postby sticky-fingers on Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:01 am

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Some new Thunder vs Bulls gameplay (all time greats). Unfortunately, only the first 90 seconds or so are relevant. The rest of the video is some commentary and that old Pistons vs Bulls video playing in the background.
First 15 seconds and I see a CPU alley-opp in a situation that where an opp wasn't the obvious choice. Beautiful sight for my eyes.


Footwork before dribble seems better :)

But after few videos, it seems also that pump fake vs CPU still don't work at midrange and at 3pt :roll:
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby diamenz on Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:05 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:
diamenz wrote:im surprised no one's trippin out about my previous post. from what ive seen, the same fundamental defensive issues that plagued 2k17 carried over to 18.

At this point I just need to get the game in my hands to get a true sense of how the game plays. Can't wait for Friday...


ya i don't mean to be a debbie downer and kill all the hype, i'm just so skeptical after 2k17.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby PeacemanNOT on Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:54 am

One thing I'm starting to notice is the difference in the jersey models between current uniforms and classic/throwbacks.

The current jerseys have a lot more flow to them and look better on court, while the classic/throwback jersey seems a lot more static like 2K17/2K16. I hope the jersey texture mapping isn't different between both models, and I can just swap out the jersey model in the RDAT files if I want.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby volsey on Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:04 am

diamenz wrote:
PeacemanNOT wrote:
diamenz wrote:im surprised no one's trippin out about my previous post. from what ive seen, the same fundamental defensive issues that plagued 2k17 carried over to 18.

At this point I just need to get the game in my hands to get a true sense of how the game plays. Can't wait for Friday...


ya i don't mean to be a debbie downer and kill all the hype, i'm just so skeptical after 2k17.


I know how you feel, it's difficult because a lot of the things I get excited for seem to fit into these 2 categories:

1) They were in previous 2K games and should honestly never have been removed.

2) Have been previously stated as having been reworked or added to previous versions and really never were developed enough or were ever really that noticeable in the past, so I shouldn't really be all that excited this time around. Mostly AI and gameplay changes fit into this category and are hard to fully judge without playing. And to be fair, they're often small changes that I may not notice unless I went back several installments prior.

Really would love a PC demo with unlimited gameplay time with just a single 5 minute quarter or something with set teams as they used to do with consoles versions (and may still do I'm out of the loop).
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby buzzy on Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:13 pm

man I hate that baseline camera with a passion
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dommy73 on Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:35 pm

That last video is really choppy. For PS4's sake I hope it's because the guy doesn't know how to record properly.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby skoadam on Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:40 pm

There is no way all of those videos are recorded with game max settings.
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Nice catching animations there by Capela at 2:40
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dommy73 on Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:06 pm

skoadam wrote:There is no way all of those videos are recorded with game max settings.


It uses PS4's symbols so I assume it's on PS4 and the guy has poorly setup capture card or encoding.
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First video so far where "user" actually can play? :applaud:
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dommy73 on Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:38 pm

Eh... not really.
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Postby zetsuboushta on Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:33 am

Gordon without portrait again. Oh shit.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Nick on Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:37 am

Still a fair bit of foot sliding going on.
And they gotta update those running animations once and for all. They've been stale for sooo long. Maybe create 3 or 4 different running postures for players to choose from.
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First video so far where "user" actually can play? :applaud:

Loving the camera angle for that Philly game. I gotta try that one.

This video is awesome. I don't know whether it's because of the new gameplay, or the new camera angle, or the fact that the user can play, but i'm liking what i'm seeing there
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:41 pm

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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:47 pm

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Ugh at 0:42.... 5 fakes on the 07-08 Nuggets and 4 fakes on the 11-12 Thunder. Those are two recent teams.... what a bummer.
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Re: NBA 2K18 - First 5 v 5 Broadcast Gameplay

Postby TBM on Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:23 am

It's completely out of their hands, though. You can't fault them for that.
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