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Postby PeacemanNOT on Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:08 am

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In addition to the brand new All-Time Teams, we've added 16 new Classic Teams! Which Classic Teams are you hoping to see added to #NBA2K18?
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:12 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:[ Image ]

https://twitter.com/NBA2K/status/896053625499246592

In addition to the brand new All-Time Teams, we've added 16 new Classic Teams! Which Classic Teams are you hoping to see added to #NBA2K18?


Wow...

I'm impressed!
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby I Hate Mondays on Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:14 am

Are you preordering now, Dee? Haha
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:18 am

This is a perfect opportunity for them to go all out and fix everything in terms of art for Classic teams, especially with jerseys/courts/stadiums. Faces I could let slide as that's a lot of work, but even then there are some improvements to be made in that regard.

I really hope they don't go the 2K16 route and just half arse the art for new classic teams, or even worse put effort into the new classic teams and ignore the original ones. That would aggravate the hell out of me, but the fact that they're still putting a focus on classic teams is a good sign.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:20 am

I agree.

This also gives us a stronger base for our classic teams roster. It will give us more slots, and many of the teams (outside of art edits possibly) can just be filled (Overwrite the fakes).

I am pumped right now.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:20 am

I Hate Mondays wrote:Are you preordering now, Dee? Haha


I was going to anyway, but yeah right when I get home.

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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Barkley_Sixers on Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:15 am

I'm absolutely positive these 46 new teams will include MyTeam exclusive players. I'm REALLY pumped about that. Plus, I don't have to bump players stats to reach their prime anymore, they will be in their prime already on the All-time teams. Damn, this is probably going to be the most exciting basketball game ever, by far. Add to that the fact that the current Sixers will probably be lit. This will be a very long month for me
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Andrew on Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:45 am

Good news all around in terms of the extra content this year. Hopefully it will mean a bit more attention is paid to the historical teams. I'd still love to have a challenge mode to use them in, though.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby laroche23 on Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:26 pm

It's funny just yesterday I was talking about the future of the classic teams ..and predicted .2k would not add any ..and now this ?16 new is staggering ....they will probably use some players from those all time classic ..speaking of all time .u can't say all time pacers and don't include Reggie Miller Und Jermaine O'Neal
Same with the Kings /Webber has to be there ..Barkley and co also ...

Nothing conf irmd yet ..but I would be very surprised not to see those (my team players included ..)

I guess it's a wait and c game now
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby sticky-fingers on Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:23 am

Well, good news

hope 2K will work on the tendencies, on the rules and even on the sliders.

Remember 2K12. It was good to play in B/W and with (some of) the rules or these era.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dmayne on Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:15 am

Nice coincidence or they used my list of the 16 teams i suggested to add in the wishlist thread.

Classic teams to add:
92-93 suns
94-95 rockets
95-96 pistons
96-97 pistons
96-97 rockets
96-97 knicks
96-97 magic please?
96-97 heat
99-00 blazers
99-00 pacers any reggie miller pacers team will do
99-00 suns
02 kings
03 magic
03 suns
03 wizards
04 lakers

Seriously great news tho... Hopefully they went through all the classic teams and redid their cfs/gear/shoes/tendencies.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Andrew on Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:42 pm

Getting some old school rule options would be fantastic.

The thought occurred to me that even though we're getting new teams, there's still a chance others might be removed. Hopefully, that isn't the case. Indeed, since they are putting in the all-time teams, maybe we'll see a few missing players added to the existing classic squads. That'd obviously be fantastic.

It'd be great if they have reached agreements with Barkley and Miller at last. Not only would that ensure proper representation for the all-time teams, but the 1993 Suns, 1997 Rockets, and either the 1998 or 2000 Pacers would be great additions.

If LD2K's comments during the 2K TV finale are anything to go by, the 2007 Warriors could be one of the new teams added this year.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby [Q] on Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:00 am

Would be cool to have different type sets or completely customizeable rules in regards to illegal defense from the 90s, 5 second backdown, different 3 point lines, all shots worth 2 points, skinny key for old school teams, etc
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby I Hate Mondays on Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:08 am

[Q] wrote:Would be cool to have different type sets or completely customizeable rules in regards to illegal defense from the 90s, 5 second backdown, different 3 point lines, all shots worth 2 points, skinny key for old school teams, etc


Yeah, that'd be great. The moment you have different positions for the 3PT line, college and international mods get to the next level. Still waiting for what you have mentioned, including the "all shots worth 2 points". I really enjoyed one or two of the 2K13 historic challenges where you didn't have a 3PT line.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:50 am

That got me when I was finishing up NBA's Greatest in NBA 2K12, not having the three-point line. In my first attempt at the Jerry West game, I nailed a shot at the buzzer that would've forced overtime, had there been a three-point line. Even though it's just one extra point, it definitely has a huge impact when you're trying to protect a slim lead, or need to make up a deficit in a hurry. Obviously the other team is at the same disadvantage, but for those of us who have grown up in the three-point era, we're accustomed to making effective use of the three-point shot in video games, so it's a bit weird when you can no longer rely on it. A fun change of pace, though.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby diamenz on Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:47 pm

Dee4Three wrote:
I Hate Mondays wrote:Are you preordering now, Dee? Haha


I was going to anyway, but yeah right when I get home.

Ha!


after that long thread of complaints about 2k17? don't get duped by the salesman.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:27 am

diamenz wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:
I Hate Mondays wrote:Are you preordering now, Dee? Haha


I was going to anyway, but yeah right when I get home.

Ha!


after that long thread of complaints about 2k17? don't get duped by the salesman.


Those complaints were relevant, and any good developer(s) want that feedback. That long thread could spark improvement to upcoming 2k games (including 2K18).

I stand by my complaints in that thread. The game had good aspects to it, but legacy issues and other new issues stopped it from being a superb game.

Consumer feedback is so vital, that thread was all about that.

I have purchased every 2K game they have ever released, this year will be no different. I've participated in modding for 2K's going back to NBA 2K13, and that will be the same for 2K18 as well. Just because I have critiques, doesn't mean I don't support 2K or the basketball video game industry.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby timmyd on Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:46 am

Dee4Three wrote:
diamenz wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:
I Hate Mondays wrote:Are you preordering now, Dee? Haha


I was going to anyway, but yeah right when I get home.

Ha!


after that long thread of complaints about 2k17? don't get duped by the salesman.


Those complaints were relevant, and any good developer(s) want that feedback. That long thread could spark improvement to upcoming 2k games (including 2K18).

I stand by my complaints in that thread. The game had good aspects to it, but legacy issues and other new issues stopped it from being a superb game.

Consumer feedback is so vital, that thread was all about that.

I have purchased every 2K game they have ever released, this year will be no different. I've participated in modding for 2K's going back to NBA 2K13, and that will be the same for 2K18 as well. Just because I have critiques, doesn't mean I don't support 2K or the basketball video game industry.
I'd really like to see:


1.) 2000-2001 Bucks
2.) 2001-2002 Sacramento Kings
3.) 2002-2003 Spurs
4.) 2002-2003 Nets
5.) 2003-2004 Lakers
6.) 2003-2004 Pacers
7.) 2005-2006 Mavericks
8.) 2005-2006 Nets
9.) 2006-2007 Warriors
10.) 2007-2008 Wizards
11.) 2007-2008 Hornets
12.) 2007-2008 Raptors
13.) 2008-2009 Orlando Magic
14.) 2008-2009 Lakers
15.) 2009-2010 Cavs
16.) 2010-2011 Mavericks
17.) 2011-2012 OKC Thunder

If Charles Barkley get's his wish and he is in NBA 2k18, I'd put his Suns NBA Finals team in.
Willing to help complete rosters for season/my league use.

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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Andrew on Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:58 am

Strange as it may sound, I'd kind of like to have one of the Wizards teams with Michael Jordan. I know, I know, we're not supposed to acknowledge that happened, but it did, and it was such an oddity that I can't help but have some twisted nostalgia for it.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby diamenz on Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:28 pm

Dee4Three wrote:
diamenz wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:
I Hate Mondays wrote:Are you preordering now, Dee? Haha


I was going to anyway, but yeah right when I get home.

Ha!


after that long thread of complaints about 2k17? don't get duped by the salesman.


Those complaints were relevant, and any good developer(s) want that feedback. That long thread could spark improvement to upcoming 2k games (including 2K18).

I stand by my complaints in that thread. The game had good aspects to it, but legacy issues and other new issues stopped it from being a superb game.

Consumer feedback is so vital, that thread was all about that.

I have purchased every 2K game they have ever released, this year will be no different. I've participated in modding for 2K's going back to NBA 2K13, and that will be the same for 2K18 as well. Just because I have critiques, doesn't mean I don't support 2K or the basketball video game industry.


fair enough. i'm going to wait it out until black friday though, so if i do get it, it will be at a discount. was so disappointed with last year's (and past few years) lack of basic bball fundamentals - mostly defense.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Andrew on Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:38 pm

'NBA 2K18': Predicting The 16 Historic Teams That Will Be Added To This Year's Game

Notably, it mentions that the Dream Team and Olympic teams from last year are returning. As for the rest, as the title notes, they are just predictions, but they are pretty solid ones.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby TBM on Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:25 pm

I hope we get some newer teams like the 09 Lakers and shit.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Murat on Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:22 am

06 Lakers and 99 Knicks would be great. One for people who think Kobe is overrated, one for people who are Knicks fans, like me
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby PeacemanNOT on Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:18 am

First two new teams confirmed:

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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:20 am

Haha.

Oh cmon now 2K, you can't tell me that these are all just coincidences.

So funny, I just posted that matchup from my roster the other night on youtube.

Good, they are paying attention to consumers. I love it. Nice work 2k.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:24 am

Awesome! I've previously expressed interest in seeing the Heat and Knicks teams from around that era, so that's good news in my book. While a few teams from the past decade wouldn't go astray, it'll be nice to get some more from the 90s, and perhaps a couple more from the 80s as well.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:25 am

Andrew wrote:Awesome! I've previously expressed interest in seeing the Heat and Knicks teams from around that era, so that's good news in my book. While a few teams from the past decade wouldn't go astray, it'll be nice to get some more from the 90s, and perhaps a couple more from the 80s as well.


These are literally two teams only my roster had for 2K17. I'm pretty pumped that I'll have slots for them now.

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Postby PeacemanNOT on Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:31 am

It will be interesting to see if that Heat team will wear the 50th anniversary gold NBA badge from that 1997 season, and if they'll give Alonzo that ever needed update. Knowing 2K, I'm going to go in skeptical.

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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:32 am

Dee4Three wrote:
Andrew wrote:Awesome! I've previously expressed interest in seeing the Heat and Knicks teams from around that era, so that's good news in my book. While a few teams from the past decade wouldn't go astray, it'll be nice to get some more from the 90s, and perhaps a couple more from the 80s as well.


These are literally two teams only my roster had for 2K17. I'm pretty pumped that I'll have slots for them now.

Thank you 2k.


I'd like to think we have excellent taste in retro teams. And of course, the fact that 90s teams are retro makes me feel old. :lol:
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:46 am

I just posted this two nights ago. A video I made of that exact matchup.

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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:41 pm

I'm seriously so proud of 2k for listening to the people. So many people on consoles wanted more classic teams, more retro content. And they listened and are adding it. We can fix art stuff, and fill teams (for PC). But now atleast the console users will have more retro content to use.

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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:21 am

Forbes list of teams they think will be added. The ones in bold are the ones I think they will actually add:

15-16 Warriors (Too soon?)
13-14 Spurs
12-13 Pacers
11-12 Thunder
10-11 Bulls
10-11 Mavericks
08-09 Lakers
07-08 Hornets
06-07 Warriors
04-05 Spurs
02-03 Nets (I think they will add the 05-06 Nets)
01-02 Kings
01-02 Celtics (Just can't see them adding this team...but I wouldn't mind)
99-00 Pistons (I would think they would add the Grant Hill/TMac team, like the 02-03 Magic.. but who knows)
98-99 Knicks (Confirmed)
92-93 Nets

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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby skoadam on Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:09 am

Dee4Three wrote:I'm seriously so proud of 2k for listening to the people. So many people on consoles wanted more classic teams, more retro content. And they listened and are adding it. We can fix art stuff, and fill teams (for PC). But now atleast the console users will have more retro content to use.

I love it.

I dont want to be a dick but... imo they are doin what modding comunity are doin. Why? Because they want to be closer to the community. Is it bad? Absolutely not but i want to see QUALITY and ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS, not just poor addon to the whole current stuff. Im more than sure that your mod from 2k17 is much better than 2K18 new retro stuff.
We cant be hyped just because we will have new slots. Look at your reaction, you are happy because you will be able to switch their stuff with yours.
Its like buying new car and right before buying thinking about removing engine. This is not what im expecting when im buying new thing.
So, for me, personally it cant be a reason to preorder 2k18, i would rather buy cheap 2k17 version and put your mod inside and donate you :)
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:53 am

skoadam wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:I'm seriously so proud of 2k for listening to the people. So many people on consoles wanted more classic teams, more retro content. And they listened and are adding it. We can fix art stuff, and fill teams (for PC). But now atleast the console users will have more retro content to use.

I love it.

I dont want to be a dick but... imo they are doin what modding comunity are doin. Why? Because they want to be closer to the community. Is it bad? Absolutely not but i want to see QUALITY and ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS, not just poor addon to the whole current stuff. Im more than sure that your mod from 2k17 is much better than 2K18 new retro stuff.
We cant be hyped just because we will have new slots. Look at your reaction, you are happy because you will be able to switch their stuff with yours.
Its like buying new car and right before buying thinking about removing engine. This is not what im expecting when im buying new thing.
So, for me, personally it cant be a reason to preorder 2k18, i would rather buy cheap 2k17 version and put your mod inside and donate you :)


I see your points..

And btw, thanks for the kind words.

I think part of it is: Most companies don't even produce sports games at all for PC, not only does 2k continue to make the PC community a priority, but they also are clearly listening to consumers. Whether or not the final product is great or not (Sometimes with art its just a damn miss, period), and maybe they don't have the licensing for certain players, but atleast we have a solid base.

It will be cool when you come over the this gen, you do amazing work with your team for 2K13 and 2K14. Whenever you do come over, i'll be here and we can tackle rosters like never seen for this gen.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby PeacemanNOT on Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:50 am

Two new teams confirmed:

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https://twitter.com/NBA2K/status/897927956219142144

Interesting choices to say the least...
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:53 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:Two new teams confirmed:

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https://twitter.com/NBA2K/status/897927956219142144

Interesting choices to say the least...


Unexpected......
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby PeacemanNOT on Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:56 am

I can maybe see why these teams could deserve spot... 2013 Western Conference Finals and a young Pau Gasol. Meh...

Personally, these seem like two wasted spots. They better make up for it.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:57 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:I can maybe see why these teams could deserve spot... 2013 Western Conference Finals and a young Pau Gasol. Meh...

Personally, these seem like two wasted spots. They better make up for it.


Ill be overwriting the 05-06 Grizzlies with the 05-06 Nets, if they are not included as a new team.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby PeacemanNOT on Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:58 am

Dee4Three wrote:
PeacemanNOT wrote:I can maybe see why these teams could deserve spot... 2013 Western Conference Finals and a young Pau Gasol. Meh...

Personally, these seem like two wasted spots. They better make up for it.


Ill be overwriting the 05-06 Grizzlies with the 05-06 Nets, if they are not included as a new team.

Nah, I don't think you should be overwriting the new teams at all. You can replace the all time teams for the UCTR.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:02 am

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PeacemanNOT wrote:I can maybe see why these teams could deserve spot... 2013 Western Conference Finals and a young Pau Gasol. Meh...

Personally, these seem like two wasted spots. They better make up for it.


Ill be overwriting the 05-06 Grizzlies with the 05-06 Nets, if they are not included as a new team.

Nah, I don't think you should be overwriting the new teams at all. You can replace the all time teams for the UCTR.


I'm on the fence on how to do it. If we can overwrite the euro teams this year we can just use them, and the roster would be awesome and massive.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:07 am

Actually wait...

Didn't TGsoGood find a way to use myleague rosters in edit roster?

What if we put all the euro teams in a myleague (which would get them to 13 players). And use his method. Wouldn't that solve the 13 player problem?
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:16 am

Can't say they're teams that I'd have expected or chosen.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby CarolusXCI on Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:13 pm

PeacemanNOT wrote:Two new teams confirmed:

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https://twitter.com/NBA2K/status/897927956219142144

Interesting choices to say the least...


LOL, they could have added the 05-06 Mavs then, which by the way destroyed this very 05-06 Grizzlies team in the 06 playoffs.

And I bet they will use the same number font for both sets of uniforms, which wasn't the case in real life (too lazy to show pictures right now). 02-03 Mavs for example had an away uniform that in real life was used for the first time in 2010. They don't seem to care that much about art details on those retro teams. And I'm expecting a bunch of generic players as well, especially on the 06 team. I hope I'm wrong on this though.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby TGsoGood on Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:42 pm

The main reason I believe some of these new classic teams are in the game is so that the assets to create other related classic teams are available. This makes retro rosters easier to create.


Dee4Three wrote:Actually wait...

Didn't TGsoGood find a way to use myleague rosters in edit roster?

What if we put all the euro teams in a myleague (which would get them to 13 players). And use his method. Wouldn't that solve the 13 player problem?


Once you go into MyLeague the max teams the roster can have is 36, so that would not be the ideal way to go about it.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dmayne on Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:46 pm

Unexpected, but a welcome addition, thank you 2k, just keep stuffing the roster with retro teams... just don't forget about the art!

my prediction for the next 2 teams:
05-06 mavs
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby laroche23 on Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:03 pm

This is a huge waste in my opinion..since 80% of those players are already in the game ...
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Barkley_Sixers on Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:17 pm

If we analyse these 4 teams, they already have the rights to most of those players. It will probably be the case for most of the Classic teams I assume
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:06 pm

Barkley_Sixers wrote:If we analyse these 4 teams, they already have the rights to most of those players. It will probably be the case for most of the Classic teams I assume


Which is understandable, of course. Though, when we think classic teams, we usually think older than four years ago, and certainly more significant, especially if you are going to use teams from just a few years back.
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:03 am

I understand maybe one Grizzlies team, but two? That's the part that confuses me. The 05-06 team won 49 games and got swept by the Mavericks in the first round.

Either way, still pumped because of the new classic team content. Maybe they will sneak the 82-83 76ers in there (if they get rights to Moses).
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Re: 16 More Classic Teams to be added in NBA 2K18

Postby Barkley_Sixers on Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:37 am

Dee4Three wrote:I understand maybe one Grizzlies team, but two? That's the part that confuses me. The 05-06 team won 49 games and got swept by the Mavericks in the first round.

Either way, still pumped because of the new classic team content. Maybe they will sneak the 82-83 76ers in there (if they get rights to Moses).


Andrew Toney too. I think they should not even bother putting that team without him. 67 76ers would be a huge addition too. If they don't add any of those, I can totally see the Sixers All-time team without Hal Greer, Andrew Toney, Charles Barkley, Billy Cunningham and Moses Malone, which would be a travesty
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