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Postby ThaLiveKing on Thu May 25, 2017 2:54 am

So...What do you guys think?


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It kind of reminds me of the trailer for Live 16, but those player models look A LOT better. I wonder how the collision animations are because LeBron dunked on dude and he fell flat on the ground. Some interesting stuff in there, can't wait for the full trailer.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Andrew on Thu May 25, 2017 3:00 am

Beat me to creating the thread!

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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Tha2KProphet on Thu May 25, 2017 3:23 am

Everything was looking good (Y)

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-The Harden Size-Up in the Trailer still showing that Robotic look that Live always had a problem with :facepalm2:

-Is it me or the Kyrie screenshot looks different than the Trailers?!
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby timmyd on Thu May 25, 2017 3:23 am

Well, my initial thought about screenshot's is... They all look really good. Except, Kyrie? His face does not look 110% on, however LBJ and the rest finally look like themselves, which is a pleasant site to see.

I watched the video's a few times, game play in the cinema scene's looks good. However, we can only judge that on real gameplay videos. I hope players aren't stiff anymore, and we have more control.

I hope this is a continuation from NBA Live 10 lol
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby EnterTheV01d on Thu May 25, 2017 3:27 am

i was waiting fro something different
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 25, 2017 3:29 am

The bodies still look stiff to me, and the animations still have a stiff/herky jerky look to them.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Tha2KProphet on Thu May 25, 2017 3:34 am

Frostbite confirmed ?
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby timmyd on Thu May 25, 2017 3:37 am

is Frostbite any good? is there another EA Game which uses Frost bite that I can look at to see how good frost bite really is?
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby EnterTheV01d on Thu May 25, 2017 3:38 am

look like they still on ignite
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby EnterTheV01d on Thu May 25, 2017 3:38 am

timmyd wrote:is Frostbite any good? is there another EA Game which uses Frost bite that I can look at to see how good frost bite really is?

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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby timmyd on Thu May 25, 2017 3:40 am

YgTrece wrote:
timmyd wrote:is Frostbite any good? is there another EA Game which uses Frost bite that I can look at to see how good frost bite really is?

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I haven't played them this year, what do you think of them? do you notice a graphical difference between the previous versions and the ones with frostbite? how about movement and physics?
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby ThaLiveKing on Thu May 25, 2017 3:42 am

NEW FEATURES:

On offense, use the dribble system to catch your defender out of position, while on defense, use the new skill-based counter move to stay in front of the ball handler to direct pace and tempo.

Experience on-ball defense with control and responsiveness to stay with the ball carrier and cut off the drive through skill-based timing windows. Use your size and strength to blow by your man, cut off the drive, protect the basket or score down low, with the all-new Post System, you’re in position to control the Big Man.

Feel explosive dunks, game changing lay ups and the physicality of player collisions in one-on-one gameplay around the basket with more variety and signature finishes.

With more animations than ever before, each character maintains realistic, human-like momentum throughout every match up.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby EnterTheV01d on Thu May 25, 2017 3:44 am

You can see it from here
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby [Q] on Thu May 25, 2017 3:50 am

Tha2KProphet wrote:Frostbite confirmed ?

It has to be on frostbite. Pretty sure they had mentioned that before, but it would make sense considering the time they spent off plus all the other games are on frostbite too

Compare the Westbrook face to the Live 16 version and I feel like you can kinda tell. Lots more sweat in 18
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 25, 2017 3:50 am

I know we are stuck on the graphics, and it's a early gameplay video, but does anybody else notice the animations looking stiff and herky jerky again?

That is my main concern. The game needs to play right.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Murat on Thu May 25, 2017 4:08 am

Not a big difference between Live 16 and these ones

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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby ThaLiveKing on Thu May 25, 2017 4:11 am

Dee4Three wrote:I know we are stuck on the graphics, and it's a early gameplay video, but does anybody else notice the animations looking stiff and herky jerky again?

That is my main concern. The game needs to play right.


Those herky jerk stuff is in all of EA SPORTS games. I got some of it smoothed out with the sliders in 16, so I just want more sliders. I know I can tweak it for 18 lol.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 25, 2017 4:33 am

ThaLiveKing wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:I know we are stuck on the graphics, and it's a early gameplay video, but does anybody else notice the animations looking stiff and herky jerky again?

That is my main concern. The game needs to play right.


Those herky jerk stuff is in all of EA SPORTS games. I got some of it smoothed out with the sliders in 16, so I just want more sliders. I know I can tweak it for 18 lol.


Thanks. I wish they would smooth it out, the post game is a nightmare in live games (hooks and fadeways are so herky jerky, they can't be enjoyed). Same with going into jump shots on the move. Hopefully some of that is fixed.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby ThaLiveKing on Thu May 25, 2017 4:36 am

Dee4Three wrote:
ThaLiveKing wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:I know we are stuck on the graphics, and it's a early gameplay video, but does anybody else notice the animations looking stiff and herky jerky again?

That is my main concern. The game needs to play right.


Those herky jerk stuff is in all of EA SPORTS games. I got some of it smoothed out with the sliders in 16, so I just want more sliders. I know I can tweak it for 18 lol.


Thanks. I wish they would smooth it out, the post game is a nightmare in live games (hooks and fadeways are so herky jerky, they can't be enjoyed). Same with going into jump shots on the move. Hopefully some of that is fixed.


Imagine if this was consistent in NBA Live ... Crazy, took these two weeks ago I believe. Also look at my post above on some features.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby [Q] on Thu May 25, 2017 4:38 am

Dee4Three wrote:
ThaLiveKing wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:I know we are stuck on the graphics, and it's a early gameplay video, but does anybody else notice the animations looking stiff and herky jerky again?

That is my main concern. The game needs to play right.


Those herky jerk stuff is in all of EA SPORTS games. I got some of it smoothed out with the sliders in 16, so I just want more sliders. I know I can tweak it for 18 lol.


Thanks. I wish they would smooth it out, the post game is a nightmare in live games (hooks and fadeways are so herky jerky, they can't be enjoyed). Same with going into jump shots on the move. Hopefully some of that is fixed.

Yeah you guys are acting like EA's never done animations like this or that you were expecting some 2K canimation stuff

I do like the idea of offense and defense being a guessing game in that one description. I hope quickness/first step ratings actually come into play here.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 25, 2017 4:41 am

ThaLiveKing wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:
ThaLiveKing wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:I know we are stuck on the graphics, and it's a early gameplay video, but does anybody else notice the animations looking stiff and herky jerky again?

That is my main concern. The game needs to play right.


Those herky jerk stuff is in all of EA SPORTS games. I got some of it smoothed out with the sliders in 16, so I just want more sliders. I know I can tweak it for 18 lol.


Thanks. I wish they would smooth it out, the post game is a nightmare in live games (hooks and fadeways are so herky jerky, they can't be enjoyed). Same with going into jump shots on the move. Hopefully some of that is fixed.


Imagine this was consistent in NBA Live ... Crazy, took these two weeks ago I believe. Also look at my post above on some features.
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A few takeaways from this:

1. I like the footwork

2. I still love Live's lighting

3. The body still looks stiff. Look at his waist up, and shoulders up.


I hope this years Live's moves are more pronounced, instead of "Small Dribbles". I want to feel the creation of space on step backs, crossovers, spins etc.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Crunky on Thu May 25, 2017 4:52 am

Looks good except the arena lighting is too dark reminds me of NBA 2k15. Kyrie Irving looks funny they gave him a pin head with a giraffe neck.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby ThaLiveKing on Thu May 25, 2017 4:53 am

I agree, they need a triple threat, and a good first step. They definitley need a better step back and turnaround jumper.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 25, 2017 4:56 am

ThaLiveKing wrote:I agree, they need a triple threat, and a good first step. They definitley need a better step back and turnaround jumper.


Exactly.

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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Ermolli on Thu May 25, 2017 5:45 am

Something that bothered me from those clips in the John Wall layup. Why does the fancy layup trigger when no one is around him? It happens too many times for my taste on Live 16. Reduce its occurrence or make it manually triggered.

I don't know why I can see the herky jerky animations in Lives videos. I know they exist in their games as I notice them during gameplay but not so much during this type of videos. It's something that annoys me that I can't figure it out.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby zzcoolj21 on Thu May 25, 2017 6:13 am

5v5 gameplay will be the real deciding factor.

Also, is this the first current gen game to actually get LeBron's beard right? The graphics have always looked great in screenshots but the details never really show in gameplay.

Pretty good tease though (Y)
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby TBM on Thu May 25, 2017 7:11 am

A couple things.

This looks a lot like Live 17 with some slightly better graphics to me, unfortunately. Animations are as stiff and jerky as ever, and some of the faces (Curry, Kyrie) are suspect.

That Ignite vs. Frostbite video didn't impress me at all. FIFA 17 looks like FIFA 16 with a gross bloom effect. Luckily Live 18 has none of that.

But yeah, that's really all that can be said right now. First impression for me is "Live 16 with new sweat", but we'll have to wait for 5-on-5 gameplay to know anything.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Book_Gazette on Thu May 25, 2017 7:14 am

First of:

This isn't really bad, EA had to take a sacrifice into this game by waiting another year.


It's got to be great, and I hope frostbite helps in this.

I remember playing FIFA 17 and 16 and noticing the huge difference Frostbite felt and how less jerky the players, and besides, EA specializes in the places where they don't need as much detail as in soccer or football, or hockey has, but with how much things happening in basketball it is really hard to get a game out that feels nice the first time.

For now, I'm sure to say that we shouldn't be overhyping or under-hyping this announcement, and we still have until June 12th or so to get some more looks
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby StyxTx on Thu May 25, 2017 12:34 pm

I'll just be happy if they don't do what 2k does, promote this or that in the game then take that stuff out with patches and updates.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Pdub on Thu May 25, 2017 1:46 pm

Tha2KProphet wrote:Frostbite confirmed ?

YgTrece wrote:look like they still on ignite


It has to be ignite. They would have announced frostbite as a major selling feature. One of the youtubers stated that an EA dev could not reveal the engine, but also told him that a move to frostbite would take a couple of years.

Dee4Three wrote:I know we are stuck on the graphics, and it's a early gameplay video, but does anybody else notice the animations looking stiff and herky jerky again?

That is my main concern. The game needs to play right.


Definitely. It's like players have a neck and back brace or something and aren't allowed to move their heads or bend their back much. You can also see their eyes bugging out rolling back in their sockets instead of tilting their head.

Ermolli wrote:Something that bothered me from those clips in the John Wall layup. Why does the fancy layup trigger when no one is around him? It happens too many times for my taste on Live 16. Reduce its occurrence or make it manually triggered.


I hope it's just for the video to show off the animation, but it would look much better with the context of Wall clutching the layup to avoid a defender trying to contest his shot.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby zzcoolj21 on Thu May 25, 2017 2:24 pm

Pdub wrote:It has to be ignite. They would have announced frostbite as a major selling feature. One of the youtubers stated that an EA dev could not reveal the engine, but also told him that a move to frostbite would take a couple of years.

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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby ThaLiveKing on Thu May 25, 2017 2:58 pm

Well, when we see that first trailer, if that Frostbite engine logo ain't in it, then we'll know
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Shuajota on Thu May 25, 2017 5:52 pm

NBA Live 18 and Madden 18 will be made using Frosbite: https://ar12gaming.com/articles/ea-sports-lineup-2017
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Postby EnterTheV01d on Thu May 25, 2017 6:29 pm

Shuajota wrote:NBA Live 18 and Madden 18 will be made using Frosbite: https://ar12gaming.com/articles/ea-sports-lineup-2017

I heard NBALIVE18 will not use frostbite engine tho and thats why graphics look bad and players looks so stiff! I'm disappointed
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Andrew on Thu May 25, 2017 9:54 pm

I would like to see more fluidity, but it seems like an improvement over NBA Live 16 to me. Despite some of the stiffness, there were some nice animations there. I agree that fancy/elusive layups should be contextually appropriate, but it's possible that was just to show something flashy in a teaser trailer. I did like the John Wall move in general though, and the DeAndre Jordan block. Kind of liked the LeBron dunk, too.

The big thing for me will be the feel of the game. Even if some of the animations aren't as fluid as I'd like, if the game feels good on the sticks and the transitions between moves and animations is satisfactory, then I expect I'll enjoy my time on the sticks. Not getting caught in animations is the other big thing. Of course, that's something I can't determine until I get my hands on the game itself.

Faces are pretty on-point for the most part. Of course, a lot of faces in NBA Live 16 were quite good when you zoomed in, but a lot of the player detail wasn't apparent from gameplay angles. That's something else I think Live needs to do: make that detail more apparent during gameplay, and not just when zooming in on a player in Instant Replay.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Shuajota on Thu May 25, 2017 11:15 pm

Andrew wrote:I would like to see more fluidity, but it seems like an improvement over NBA Live 16 to me. Despite some of the stiffness, there were some nice animations there. I agree that fancy/elusive layups should be contextually appropriate, but it's possible that was just to show something flashy in a teaser trailer. I did like the John Wall move in general though, and the DeAndre Jordan block. Kind of liked the LeBron dunk, too.

The big thing for me will be the feel of the game. Even if some of the animations aren't as fluid as I'd like, if the game feels good on the sticks and the transitions between moves and animations is satisfactory, then I expect I'll enjoy my time on the sticks. Not getting caught in animations is the other big thing. Of course, that's something I can't determine until I get my hands on the game itself.

Faces are pretty on-point for the most part. Of course, a lot of faces in NBA Live 16 were quite good when you zoomed in, but a lot of the player detail wasn't apparent from gameplay angles. That's something else I think Live needs to do: make that detail more apparent during gameplay, and not just when zooming in on a player in Instant Replay.


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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby PeacemanNOT on Fri May 26, 2017 1:30 am

From what I've seen, the art in this game blows 2K out of the water.... they put so much more effort into everything compared to 2K's copy paste half effort job. Especially with the jerseys... make's 2K's art look cartoonish.

Now the gameplay..... doesn't look very fluid, plus what's up with the jerseys? They look so baggy compared to NBA Live 16, feels like more of a downgrade considering how tight players wear jerseys nowadays.
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Postby [Q] on Fri May 26, 2017 1:39 am

That is a good point, though. Doesn't matter how nice the faces are up close if the game never zooms in. Needs to look good from further away
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Pdub on Fri May 26, 2017 3:28 am

Shuajota wrote:NBA Live 18 and Madden 18 will be made using Frosbite: https://ar12gaming.com/articles/ea-sports-lineup-2017


Nowhere in that article does it state Live 18 is using Frostbite. It's talking about the delay to release during the fall. Only Madden 18 was stated as using Frostbite.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby buzzy on Fri May 26, 2017 9:14 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:From what I've seen, the art in this game blows 2K out of the water.... they put so much more effort into everything compared to 2K's copy paste half effort job. Especially with the jerseys... make's 2K's art look cartoonish.


Already messed up the color of the Bucks' numbers though ;)
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby TBM on Fri May 26, 2017 12:13 pm

PeacemanNOT wrote:From what I've seen, the art in this game blows 2K out of the water.... they put so much more effort into everything compared to 2K's copy paste half effort job. Especially with the jerseys... make's 2K's art look cartoonish.

Now the gameplay..... doesn't look very fluid, plus what's up with the jerseys? They look so baggy compared to NBA Live 16, feels like more of a downgrade considering how tight players wear jerseys nowadays.


Disagree in some ways. The floors and jerseys are far superior. There's no debate there, but as far as the player models themselves go, that's where I say no.

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If you look here, Zaza looks like a character from Robot Chicken. The players still have a waxiness that 2K doesn't have.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby zzcoolj21 on Fri May 26, 2017 12:28 pm

The quality is pretty inconsistent player to player. Some player models look great, others have these really strange short arms.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby zzcoolj21 on Fri May 26, 2017 12:43 pm

Tha2KProphet wrote:-Is it me or the Kyrie screenshot looks different than the Trailers?!


It's not just you.
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Looks like the 16 model is used in the clips
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby TBM on Fri May 26, 2017 1:08 pm

That's not uncommon. 2K trailers also don't always have the final release faces.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby buzzy on Fri May 26, 2017 1:17 pm

That's actually Paul George in a Cavs uni
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Andrew on Fri May 26, 2017 2:17 pm

buzzy wrote:That's actually Paul George in a Cavs uni


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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby Pdub on Fri May 26, 2017 2:45 pm

I think they gave Kyrie a neck beard or something.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby zzcoolj21 on Fri May 26, 2017 7:39 pm

Yeah something about the facial hair and nose throws it off.
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Re: NBA Live 18. First Reveal

Postby mp3 on Sat May 27, 2017 5:34 am

The player models look great, body shapes too. Of course it is easier to make highlight reel look good but it ticks all the boxes so far.

Sure kyrie looks off which I don't understand but anyway bring on the raw gameplay footage.
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