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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TheGame8544 on Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:34 am

TBM wrote:I would pay 30 for a roster editor.

So would I. The issue I'm appearing to find is they force you to pay for a membership to pay.qq and it's 114 yuan which is $16. Then I'm assuming it'd be $30, or 220 yuan, for the software. I don't see a link to pay anywhere. When I click the link inside the program, it takes me to his page here: http://184331550.qzone.qq.com/

Not sure if you need to be a member to see his page, but I did sign up. But now all I can find to buy the thing is a place to pay for a membership.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:35 am

Looks like my upload speed isn't as slow as I thought it was. Since TheGame8544 is being stubborn about it I decided to upload them myself the proper way.

Han Roster - Base Files (665MB)

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Han Roster - Update v12.31 (140MB)

DOWNLOAD


If you haven't already make sure to download the External File Plugin which can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=225&t=102382

For the files above, extract the content in the rar files and place both "Modded" folders into your NBA 2K17 directory.

***WARNING***
If you already have mods downloaded in your NBA 2K17 directory make sure to place your current Modded Folder
somewhere else before you install the files above. Then whenever you want to go back to your original mods you can switch Modded folders.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TBM on Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:08 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:Looks like my upload speed isn't as slow as I thought it was. Since TheGame8544 is being stubborn about it I decided to upload them myself the proper way.

Han Roster - Base Files (665MB)

DOWNLOAD


Han Roster - Update v12.31 (140MB)

DOWNLOAD


If you haven't already make sure to download the External File Plugin which can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=225&t=102382

For the files above, extract the content in the rar files and place both "Modded" folders into your NBA 2K17 directory.

***WARNING***
If you already have mods downloaded in your NBA 2K17 directory make sure to place your current Modded Folder
somewhere else before you install the files above. Then whenever you want to go back to your original mods you can switch Modded folders.


Ah, perfect. Thanks.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Syncinatti on Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:45 am

With all due respect to TBM, and not to stir up any problems. But i hope you listen to what I have to say... I don't know you personally, and I don't know if your intent is disrespect others. But I have notice for quite some time now that the way you respond to some people can be disrespectful or dismissive. I don't think you're a bad dude because you do contribute your time and efforts to the community and it is appreciated by me and everyone else i'm sure. But i wish you would try to be more conscious of how you speak to others. For all we know it may not be your intent but it does rub people the wrong way. This isn't the first time it's been mentioned. When I read the " he's just some random guy" comment i cringed. I knew that it was gonna cause a problem. An unnecessary easily avoidable problem. I'm not the NLSC comment police but I do think this needed to be said. Maybe it would shed some light on how you're perceived and how your comments are sometimes perceived if you didn't know. And if you did know, maybe it would serve as motivation to do a little better respecting others. Cheers bro....
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:13 am

There's no point, I've said this to him countless of times. He's not going to change, you just got to ignore it.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TBM on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:23 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:There's no point, I've said this to him countless of times. He's not going to change, you just got to ignore it.


PeacemanNOT wrote:Regarding this "disrespect" we've shown you, all we asked you to do was re-post the links in an easier manner.


Which one is it?
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Dee4Three on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:30 am

You guys have to be kidding. TBM said nothing wrong on this thread, nothing at all. This guy is a random guy right now to us, he was saying it wasn't Han.

You guys have to stop jumping on people who are not doing anything wrong. We all welcome thegames contribution to the thread (research and links), but TBM said nothing bad. In fact, it was others who kind of jumped on Thegame.

Just stop. And let's work together.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:40 am

I'm talking about the past... I don't think you've done much wrong in this thread but to say you haven't been disrespectful to people would be a lie.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Dee4Three on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:43 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:I'm talking about the past... to say you haven't been disrespectful to people would be a lie.


So we are going at TBM in this thread, that he did nothing wrong in, because of the past?

I don't think that's right. And it ruins this thread.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:45 am

I just edited my post, both of you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. Syncinatti is also talking about times in the past, not just this thread.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Dee4Three on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:47 am

Listen. lets all be adults and move on. And lets all stop being so sensitive.

We all have the same goal, improve the game.

We are improving the game for EACHOTHER, which is why we release mods to the community. TBM has released some great stuff, so has Peace, etc.

Lets drop it and move on.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Syncinatti on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:48 am

That's the point, we are all trying to work together. What we don't want is potential contributers being unnecessarily unwelcomed. We all see TBM was trying to clarify that thegame wasn't Han. But to call him some random guy when he's obviously trying to contribute is unwelcoming and dismissive. It's kinda unappreciative of his efforts. That's how I would feel if it were me. Again, that probably wasn't TBMs intention, but we don't know that because it happens repeatedly. There are better ways to say things. I don't mean to indirectly talk about you TBM . I wish you would interject so we all can have a healthy dialogue
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Manni Live on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:48 am

You might as well open up another thread and post Han's Roster's there and let one of the admin's lock this one up, its a mess here.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:51 am

We were really doing well on this forum until 2K went ahead and introduced that stupid accessory colour carry over stuff. All the cool projects have came to a full stop, also I really need Greg in order to do anything with Jerseys (editing number/font positions)
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Syncinatti on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:53 am

Btw PeacemanNOT I appreciate the uploads!! I've wanted to use this roster for weeks now!
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:54 am

You're welcome, I just don't get why he won't just post the links. I think I might just make a new thread and update it as much as I can. I'll wait for TheGame8544 before I do anything.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby timmyd on Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:59 am

Syncinatti wrote:With all due respect to TBM, and not to stir up any problems. But i hope you listen to what I have to say... I don't know you personally, and I don't know if your intent is disrespect others. But I have notice for quite some time now that the way you respond to some people can be disrespectful or dismissive. I don't think you're a bad dude because you do contribute your time and efforts to the community and it is appreciated by me and everyone else i'm sure. But i wish you would try to be more conscious of how you speak to others. For all we know it may not be your intent but it does rub people the wrong way. This isn't the first time it's been mentioned. When I read the " he's just some random guy" comment i cringed. I knew that it was gonna cause a problem. An unnecessary easily avoidable problem. I'm not the NLSC comment police but I do think this needed to be said. Maybe it would shed some light on how you're perceived and how your comments are sometimes perceived if you didn't know. And if you did know, maybe it would serve as motivation to do a little better respecting others. Cheers bro....



I agree. Most forums nowadays have members like this. The ones that portray themselves as know it all's and arrogant. I think in reality TBM is a good dude, because at times he is very helpful. I have been watching this forum since NBA 2k10, noticed him along the years.

Anyway, we should leave it at that. May God(s) grant him patience, manners and respect (online) in the new year!

For now, let's all work together to reach this common goal... and not self-destruct like the Clippers do lol
Willing to help complete rosters for season/my league use.

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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TheGame8544 on Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:51 pm

PeacemanNOT wrote:You're welcome, I just don't get why he won't just post the links. I think I might just make a new thread and update it as much as I can. I'll wait for TheGame8544 before I do anything.

How did you do the links with the Download button?

I'm happy to update the OP with the links you created. Honestly, I just didn't want to have to reupload everything just because you guys weren't happy with the extra files that were in them. Anyway, I'm good to move on and hopefully everyone else will do the same.

I appreciate the posters that have stood up for me and understood where I was coming from. Let's try and keep this about Han's Roster from now on.

Happy New Year everyone!
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby I Hate Mondays on Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:44 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:Looks like my upload speed isn't as slow as I thought it was. Since TheGame8544 is being stubborn about it I decided to upload them myself the proper way.

Han Roster - Base Files (665MB)

DOWNLOAD


Han Roster - Update v12.31 (140MB)

DOWNLOAD


If you haven't already make sure to download the External File Plugin which can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=225&t=102382

For the files above, extract the content in the rar files and place both "Modded" folders into your NBA 2K17 directory.

***WARNING***
If you already have mods downloaded in your NBA 2K17 directory make sure to place your current Modded Folder
somewhere else before you install the files above. Then whenever you want to go back to your original mods you can switch Modded folders.


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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Stildo33 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:12 pm

Too much stuff to read through here but it sounds great from what I saw!
I'm a little confused though:

So what kinda extra classic teams does this roster have?

1) how close to a RED MC are we?
2) is there another editor out there aside from inonmomia (sorry i just misspelled that)?
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby a0078050 on Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:12 am

TheGame8544 wrote:
TBM wrote:I would pay 30 for a roster editor.

So would I. The issue I'm appearing to find is they force you to pay for a membership to pay.qq and it's 114 yuan which is $16. Then I'm assuming it'd be $30, or 220 yuan, for the software. I don't see a link to pay anywhere. When I click the link inside the program, it takes me to his page here: http://184331550.qzone.qq.com/

Not sure if you need to be a member to see his page, but I did sign up. But now all I can find to buy the thing is a place to pay for a membership.


Hi, I think you get confused by QQ. QQ is actually a communication software like MSN and the page you find is a personal blog where the developer put his advertisements and introductions, so the membership has nothing to do with the editor. I guess you need to contact the developer through QQ to buy his editor, while 184331550 is his qq number.
Just for your information, the thing your want to buy is not only a roster editor, it can also cheat in online games, it depends on how you use it.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:26 am

a0078050 wrote:
TheGame8544 wrote:
TBM wrote:I would pay 30 for a roster editor.

So would I. The issue I'm appearing to find is they force you to pay for a membership to pay.qq and it's 114 yuan which is $16. Then I'm assuming it'd be $30, or 220 yuan, for the software. I don't see a link to pay anywhere. When I click the link inside the program, it takes me to his page here: http://184331550.qzone.qq.com/

Not sure if you need to be a member to see his page, but I did sign up. But now all I can find to buy the thing is a place to pay for a membership.


Hi, I think you get confused by QQ. QQ is actually a communication software like MSN and the page you find is a personal blog where the developer put his advertisements and introductions, so the membership has nothing to do with the editor. I guess you need to contact the developer through QQ to buy his editor, while 184331550 is his qq number.
Just for your information, the thing your want to buy is not only a roster editor, it can also cheat in online games, it depends on how you use it.

Can you just tell us how to get it then. It seems like you know more than we do.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby a0078050 on Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:54 am

Can you just tell us how to get it then. It seems like you know more than we do.[/quote]

That`s because I`m Chinese. I dont have the tool either. According to what I find online, you need to contact the guy through QQ, then he invite you into a QQ group where he shares the tool. I can try to contact him for you, but the problem is one VIP can only be used on one particular computer, so you have to be in contact with him with your own computer when installing the tool.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TBM on Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:58 am

If you know how we could contact him, we'd be more than happy to do it.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby a0078050 on Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:04 am

TBM wrote:If you know how we could contact him, we'd be more than happy to do it.

The only way I know is through QQ I mentioned before. It`s a communication software like msn or Skype. I think there is an English version called something like QQ international. The developer`s QQ ID is 184331550
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TheGame8544 on Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:34 am

a0078050 wrote:
TBM wrote:If you know how we could contact him, we'd be more than happy to do it.

The only way I know is through QQ I mentioned before. It`s a communication software like msn or Skype. I think there is an English version called something like QQ international. The developer`s QQ ID is 184331550

That's awesome!!! Thank you so much for coming in here to provide your expertise. If we could only communicate to him that he's got a real nice way to make some extra money, he could really make a good bit from a lot of us PC roster editors. I know Vlad did well with Reditor. I'm sure we've even got people that would be willing, with help, to translate the program and allow the creator of the program to sell it as well.

This is our best hope of obtaining a roster editor, and I think we need to do everything in our power to convince him to start selling it to us.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TheGame8544 on Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:38 am

Stildo33 wrote:Too much stuff to read through here but it sounds great from what I saw!
I'm a little confused though:

So what kinda extra classic teams does this roster have?

1) how close to a RED MC are we?
2) is there another editor out there aside from inonmomia (sorry i just misspelled that)?


Extra teams like the 04-05 Rockets, 94-95 Rockets, all the Dream teams, 10-11 Dallas Mavs, and a bunch of others.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby washbuRn on Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:59 am

i cant download the roster for on their website.. can somebody send me a copy for the roster to load?
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:17 am

washbuRn wrote:i cant download the roster for on their website.. can somebody send me a copy for the roster to load?

You can download the roster through 2K's Roster Creator.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:19 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:
washbuRn wrote:i cant download the roster for on their website.. can somebody send me a copy for the roster to load?

You can download the roster through 2K's Roster Creator.


Unless you are not using the Steam version of the game. In which, I recommend buying the game so you can enjoy all the mods.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby washbuRn on Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:26 am

i dont knw if im allowed to post it here.. but i own the cracked version.. sorry... can somebody help me.. can someone download the 358mb on that site.. i cant understand it. its chinese =(
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:39 am

washbuRn wrote:i dont knw if im allowed to post it here.. but i own the cracked version.. sorry... can somebody help me.. can someone download the 358mb on that site.. i cant understand it. its chinese =(


Buy the game. Scrounge up the money to buy the Steam version.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TBM on Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:50 am

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Re: Han's Roster

Postby bigh0rt on Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:57 am

washbuRn wrote:i dont knw if im allowed to post it here.. but i own the cracked version.. sorry... can somebody help me.. can someone download the 358mb on that site.. i cant understand it. its chinese =(

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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Uncle Drew on Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:08 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:Looks like my upload speed isn't as slow as I thought it was. Since TheGame8544 is being stubborn about it I decided to upload them myself the proper way.

Han Roster - Base Files (665MB)

DOWNLOAD


Han Roster - Update v12.31 (140MB)

DOWNLOAD


If you haven't already make sure to download the External File Plugin which can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=225&t=102382

For the files above, extract the content in the rar files and place both "Modded" folders into your NBA 2K17 directory.

***WARNING***
If you already have mods downloaded in your NBA 2K17 directory make sure to place your current Modded Folder
somewhere else before you install the files above. Then whenever you want to go back to your original mods you can switch Modded folders.


So let me get this straight. You're suppose to have 2 modded folders, one for the current mods, and one for the Hans roster? And you switch between the two?
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:16 am

Uncle Drew wrote:So let me get this straight. You're suppose to have 2 modded folders, one for the current mods, and one for the Hans roster? And you switch between the two?

Well you don't have to, but I'm just saying that you should make a completely new modded folder before installing the Han Roster as it will conflict with your other mods. So I would recommend having two modded folders, one with your current installed mods (backed up on your desktop) and one modded folder with the Han Roster files (in your NBA 2K17 directory). Then you can switch them out whenever you want to go back.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Uncle Drew on Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:25 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:
Uncle Drew wrote:So let me get this straight. You're suppose to have 2 modded folders, one for the current mods, and one for the Hans roster? And you switch between the two?

Well you don't have to, but I'm just saying that you should make a completely new modded folder before installing the Han Roster as it will conflict with your other mods. So I would recommend having two modded folders, one with your current installed mods (backed up on your desktop) and one modded folder with the Han Roster files (in your NBA 2K17 directory). Then you can switch them out whenever you want to go back.


Ok, thx. Just want to minimize any conflicts.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TheGame8544 on Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:35 am

OP updated it with latest file.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Uncle Drew on Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:12 am

TheGame8544 wrote:OP updated it with latest file.


Do I need to d/ld the base roster, in addition to the update or just the update?
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TheGame8544 on Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:27 am

Uncle Drew wrote:
TheGame8544 wrote:OP updated it with latest file.


Do I need to d/ld the base roster, in addition to the update or just the update?

If you already have the base, you only need to download that once. So you will just need the update. Honestly, I'm not sure what he changed in the Update files but he posted new ones so figured I'd share them.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby skoadam on Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:54 pm

I sold 2k17 so i must ask you guys. How the roster looks. There is more than default number of teams? New retro teams logos and jerseys works without ocerwriting? Chinese modders have roster editor?
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:35 am

skoadam wrote:I sold 2k17 so i must ask you guys. How the roster looks. There is more than default number of teams? New retro teams logos and jerseys works without ocerwriting? Chinese modders have roster editor?


In this roster, some new teams were unlocked and added (looks like the new classic teams were put in by overwriting some other classic teams though, like the 89-90 Cavs and 92-93 Bulls). Also, in this roster, MANY teams are cut down below 13 guys, meaning that if a MyLeague is started with the teams that are lower than 13 guys, the game automatically assigns a random player or players to the team to get them to 13. So basically, you could be using the 90-91 Bulls and have Steven Adams come off the bench or something, which ruins the authenticity. This roster is fun for casual Play Now. But the classic teams do not work for myleague at the moment.

I am working on a big project that fills all the classic teams to 13 guys with accurate players, and adds a slew of new classic teams. But it's a lot of work, and I don't have a lot of people working on it with me, and I am not a cyberface maker for this game.

Han Roster has a mod pack like I do for my all time teams roster and fantasy draft roster, but his files conflict with mine, meaning people would need to keep separate modded folders for both his roster and my rosters.

If you want to get an idea of what we can do, you can check out my all time teams roster thread and draft roster thread on here. We can do courts, cyberfaces, stadiums, scoreboards, dornas, etc etc. So we have made progress, but we don't a REDMC yet.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:48 am

Well there is kind of a REDMC, but it's in chinese and it costs money. This is it:

http://bbs.3dmgame.com/thread-5281876-1-1.html

If you look through this thread we're in right now, it was discovered by TheGame8544 that it costs 220 yuan which is around $31.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:49 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:Well there is kind of a REDMC, but it's in chinese and it costs money. This is it:

http://bbs.3dmgame.com/thread-5281876-1-1.html

If you look through this thread we're in right now, it was discovered by TheGame8544 that it costs 220 yuan which is around $31.


So wait, can we get this and translate? $31 is nothing for a tool that can do even close to what redmc does.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby PeacemanNOT on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:51 am

Well the problem was TheGame8544 said that the service that is used to transfer money also costs a subscription. So you would have to pay for both apparently, not sure if that's still the case or not so TheGame8544 or someone else will have to confirm.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:55 am

Im willing to do that. It would make a huge difference.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby pjt8413 on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:46 am

I am willing to pay as well. The problem is the developer does not seem to have an actual link to pay for the editor program. It takes you to his QQ page and does not specify a link where to purchase. I have tried contacting him but don't have the needed permission on either Chinese board or QQ to do so. Until we can find the actual link to pay, we are out of luck I'm afraid. I am anxiously awaiting someone who knows chinese and can directly contact him or Han and help us pay for this. I'd pay double just have the ability to edit coaches etc.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TheGame8544 on Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:54 am

pjt8413 wrote:I am willing to pay as well. The problem is the developer does not seem to have an actual link to pay for the editor program. It takes you to his QQ page and does not specify a link where to purchase. I have tried contacting him but don't have the needed permission on either Chinese board or QQ to do so. Until we can find the actual link to pay, we are out of luck I'm afraid. I am anxiously awaiting someone who knows chinese and can directly contact him or Han and help us pay for this. I'd pay double just have the ability to edit coaches etc.

Yeah, this is the exact issue I ran into. The way I understand it, you have to be a member of QQ to contact him. Is it correct QQ costs money?

I find it hard to believe this guy wouldn't like to make some extra money off his program. All we need is someone that knows enough Chinese to communicate with him and let him know we probably have someone that could translate it to English and let him sell it.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby TheGame8544 on Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:56 am

Not sure if it helps, but I have the editor downloaded. If anyone would like to take a crack at getting into it, I can share it. It looks like if it was unlocked, there is enough English with team names and player names that we could probably figure out how to do most of what we need with it.
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Re: Han's Roster

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:36 pm

I just tried this roster for the first time with all the files for it in the modded folder. My observations.

1. He did an amazing job with Jerseys for the new classic teams he put in, simply awesome.

2. Did a superb job with many of the courts for the new classic teams (his 07-08 Nuggets court is off though, the logo in the center is way to big).

3. He did an OUTSTANDING JOB in the portrait department. Awesome. So many of the portraits are really high quality.

4. Great job with team logos.

5. Great job getting some amazing faces for tmac, 04-05 Ginobili, etc. However, while some of the lookalikes are good ( Like Rash Nestrovic and Foyle), some are really off, or real players are plugged in (like he's using greg anthony for Anthony Carter, Stacey Augmon for Darrell Armstrong, and Glenn Robinson for Bryon Russell.

My feelings are, if he could fix some of the "lookalikes" or get someone to make those faces, and if he could get the teams to 13 for use in myleague, and if he added some more classic teams, he would be in business and the roster would flourish even more.

I respect his work a ton, and wish he would work with us. I would certainly work with him.
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