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Postby zetsuboushta on Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:30 am

TBM wrote:I think I'd prefer to have the 2015-2016 Warriors over the 2014-2015 Warriors, actually. Better Curry, better Draymond Green, and better record.

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Also, it will be funny to see current Warriors in this roster after playoff, if they will become champions.
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:27 am

I figured out the Nets blue jersey's, they look good.

Moving on.
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Postby Dee4Three on Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:49 am

I had to start the 96-97 Heat/98-99 Knicks/10-11 Bulls from scratch because of the stupid Create A Player nickname issue.
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Postby timmyd on Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:25 am

Dee4Three wrote:I had to start the 96-97 Heat/98-99 Knicks/10-11 Bulls from scratch because of the stupid Create A Player nickname issue.



Thanks for keeping us updated! The hype right now is LIT!!!!!!!!!! I'm probably going to use a couple day's of vacation once this roster comes out man. That's the extent I'm going to! haha

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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:07 am

So this roster will basically be a MYLEAGUE roster only. So you can use HAN Roster as a play now roster, and this one for MYLeague. The reason I say this is, when overwriting the current teams, there are a couple small annoyances I cant get around, that can easily be gotten around in Myleague.

Im going to do a little bit more on the roster, than Ill make a video pre release that shows you how to easily setup your teams in my league for the best experience.

Stay tuned. I am not saying this roster CANNOT be used in play now, it certainly can and it will be awesome, but it is mainly ideal for Myleague.
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Postby matmat66 on Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:21 am

Looking forward to this Dee! Thanks a lot!
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Postby TGsoGood on Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:51 am

Looking forward to whatever you release. I will provide my impressions after getting a chance to play.
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Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:59 am

TGsoGood wrote:Looking forward to whatever you release. I will provide my impressions after getting a chance to play.


Absolutely, Ill want real feedback. Negative and positive. Sorry for the delay, life has been crazy.
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby timmyd on Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:04 am

Dee4Three wrote:
TGsoGood wrote:Looking forward to whatever you release. I will provide my impressions after getting a chance to play.


Absolutely, Ill want real feedback. Negative and positive. Sorry for the delay, life has been crazy.



Hey man! No need for a sorry! We gotta be patient with the process.... greatness can't be achieved over night! Keep up your hard work!
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Postby maverik99vc on Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:53 am

Think will be near the release... wanna test it!! :D :D
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Postby maverik99vc on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:47 pm

guys any news?
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Postby SanchezAmaro on Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:54 pm

I am really looking forward for this roster! besides my gm, classic team rosters are my reason to keep playing this game with colleagues! It will be great addition to your incredible classic courts (I love that Rockets court, keep playing against just to enjoy it!)
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby Shady00018 on Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:12 pm

So pumped for this mod !! thank you for your time and effort in putting this mod together! Ala UBR! :bowdown: :bowdown: :applaud: :applaud:
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:42 am

Hi Shady,

This project has been delayed because of my frustration with NBA 2k17. If I can't enjoy a single game I play, I am not going to take on a massive project into production like this.

Here is my thread with all my frustrations

viewtopic.php?f=224&t=103054

The defense, and game speed are broken. Those of you who have seen me around the last 3-4 years on these forums know that I am loyal to this series. But NBA 2k15 through NBA 2k17 have not been good basketball games. So many flow interruptions caused by game glitches, bad mechanics, broken defense, broken speed, body steals/body blocks, players moving unrealistically slow in so many animations, forced animations, clipping, woeful unrealism with protected shots, running plays that take 8-10 seconds before your players even go into motion, passes that sail out of bounds for no reason, lobbed passed for no reason, etc.

Gameplay is the most important aspect of any game. I have put countless hours into basketball video games since the early 90s, literally countless. NBA 2K14 next gen was a great game outside of the limited game modes and server issues. The players moved like athletes, the game had a great pace and flow, and so many of the broken aspects of NBA 2K17 were not present. It was truly an enjoyable game. The last 3 years, it has gone completely downhill. Post patches/tuning updates, NBA 2K17 is one of the worst basketball games I've ever played.

I released the All time teams roster and Draft roster (took 400-500 hours of work JUST for those two) pre major patches/tuning updates. Why? Because before all of that, the game was decently enjoyable. I was even making highlight videos and posting them all over the place here. However, because online gamers complained about "Cheese", among other things, or maybe it was all just Dev discretion, the game was obliterated into an unenjoyable joke after the patches/tuning updates.

I am very, very disappointed, basketball video games are what my brothers and I do. I have two brothers, and this is our hobbie and escape from the regular aspects of life. We get together every weekend (one of my brothers we play even more often) and we play offline in the same room. But, with the game being a nightmare in terms of the broken aspects, like broken defense/speed/mechanics, which generate constant broken pace, it's just not even fun anymore.

I am not sure if I will be finishing this project. My All Time Teams roster has 100% accurate portraits for every player, and all of the hidden players in the game on the correct teams, and its a great roster. My Ultimate Fantasy Draft Roster has all of the hidden players in the game, ready for use in a fantasy draft.

I hope you guys understand. This is going to sound dramatic, but it's kind of heartbreaking for me because of all the time and effort spent modding the game, and just overall being excited and repeatedly let down and not listened to.

Thanks for the support on my two other rosters and on my classic courts.
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby SanchezAmaro on Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:00 am

Oh, it is sad to hear this. I understand. My experience in 2k is limited, Im a FIFA person but after 18 years I decided to try something else. I play regularly with my best friend this game, who encourage me to buy it and we love to play with classic teams...it is the best. That is why I am really happy to have Han's roster and I was so happy to download yours. But I understand you, I have even notice the issues from December til now and I do play in pro/all-stars mode...Anyway, I hope you still can release what you did, I guess is still worth for the community :)
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby LeGod on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:19 am

Hey. Thanks for this roster first of all. It's pretty great.

However, I'm just wondering if this roster has the accurate height/weight of each historic player. I tried the Han Roster but then found there were many incorrect ones (Melo and Kobe had wrong heights). Additionally, I'm not sure where s/he got his/her attributes/tendencies from.

It's gonna be difficult to double-check every player, so I'm just asking here where D43 got his/her height/weight/attributes/tendencies (I saw somewhere you said you used MyTeam cards?).

Another thing. Does anybody know how good Viper Roster is (I've only heard of it, I don't know where to get it)? Is it downloaded through 2K or downloaded like Han Roster?
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:21 am

LeGod wrote:Hey. Thanks for this roster first of all. It's pretty great.

However, I'm just wondering if this roster has the accurate height/weight of each historic player. I tried the Han Roster but then found there were many incorrect ones (Melo and Kobe had wrong heights). Additionally, I'm not sure where s/he got his/her attributes/tendencies from.

It's gonna be difficult to double-check every player, so I'm just asking here where D43 got his/her height/weight/attributes/tendencies (I saw somewhere you said you used MyTeam cards?).

Another thing. Does anybody know how good Viper Roster is (I've only heard of it, I don't know where to get it)? Is it downloaded through 2K or downloaded like Han Roster?


This roster is on hold, but yes all of that is accurate.

If you ever checked out my All Time Teams roster, and my fantasy draft roster, All height/Weight/Signatures etc are accurate. I pride myself on that.
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby LeGod on Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:17 am

Thanks D43. I will get to downloading them. Fantasy one looks good.
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby timmyd on Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:31 am

Dee4Three wrote:Hi Shady,

This project has been delayed because of my frustration with NBA 2k17. If I can't enjoy a single game I play, I am not going to take on a massive project into production like this.

Here is my thread with all my frustrations

viewtopic.php?f=224&t=103054

The defense, and game speed are broken. Those of you who have seen me around the last 3-4 years on these forums know that I am loyal to this series. But NBA 2k15 through NBA 2k17 have not been good basketball games. So many flow interruptions caused by game glitches, bad mechanics, broken defense, broken speed, body steals/body blocks, players moving unrealistically slow in so many animations, forced animations, clipping, woeful unrealism with protected shots, running plays that take 8-10 seconds before your players even go into motion, passes that sail out of bounds for no reason, lobbed passed for no reason, etc.

Gameplay is the most important aspect of any game. I have put countless hours into basketball video games since the early 90s, literally countless. NBA 2K14 next gen was a great game outside of the limited game modes and server issues. The players moved like athletes, the game had a great pace and flow, and so many of the broken aspects of NBA 2K17 were not present. It was truly an enjoyable game. The last 3 years, it has gone completely downhill. Post patches/tuning updates, NBA 2K17 is one of the worst basketball games I've ever played.

I released the All time teams roster and Draft roster (took 400-500 hours of work JUST for those two) pre major patches/tuning updates. Why? Because before all of that, the game was decently enjoyable. I was even making highlight videos and posting them all over the place here. However, because online gamers complained about "Cheese", among other things, or maybe it was all just Dev discretion, the game was obliterated into an unenjoyable joke after the patches/tuning updates.

I am very, very disappointed, basketball video games are what my brothers and I do. I have two brothers, and this is our hobby and escape from the regular aspects of life. We get together every weekend (one of my brothers we play even more often) and we play offline in the same room. But, with the game being a nightmare in terms of the broken aspects, like broken defense/speed/mechanics, which generate constant broken pace, it's just not even fun anymore.

I am not sure if I will be finishing this project. My All Time Teams roster has 100% accurate portraits for every player, and all of the hidden players in the game on the correct teams, and its a great roster. My Ultimate Fantasy Draft Roster has all of the hidden players in the game, ready for use in a fantasy draft.

I hope you guys understand. This is going to sound dramatic, but it's kind of heartbreaking for me because of all the time and effort spent modding the game, and just overall being excited and repeatedly let down and not listened to.

Thanks for the support on my two other rosters and on my classic courts.




Oh man, this is heartbreaking. I feel your pain, frustration and disappointment. I don't want to sound selfish, I don't want to sound needy. I really really really pray and hope you get to release this in some capacity even if It is just to me. The only reason I purchased nba 2k17 for PC (after a long break dating back to NBA 2k11), was because I saw THIS project, brother. I really appreciate what you do, did and are doing. You and others like you, can literally save NBA 2k for us realistic, historians of nba basketball in video games. This is larger than nba 2k for me, this is a dip down memory lane, this is the ultimate fantasy for me. To play with teams that I loved and enjoyed and bring different era's and superstars together on the same court.

Right now I have to force myself onto Han's roster. It is good, I spend hours everyday just fixing tendencies, ratings, sig shots just to perfect it for my personal use.

If you do need help, I am always here... I really really hope I can play with this man... I am bored lol i got no hobby.. and I not talented like you are when it comes to these things.
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby timmyd on Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:32 am

Dee4Three wrote:Hi Shady,

This project has been delayed because of my frustration with NBA 2k17. If I can't enjoy a single game I play, I am not going to take on a massive project into production like this.

Here is my thread with all my frustrations

viewtopic.php?f=224&t=103054

The defense, and game speed are broken. Those of you who have seen me around the last 3-4 years on these forums know that I am loyal to this series. But NBA 2k15 through NBA 2k17 have not been good basketball games. So many flow interruptions caused by game glitches, bad mechanics, broken defense, broken speed, body steals/body blocks, players moving unrealistically slow in so many animations, forced animations, clipping, woeful unrealism with protected shots, running plays that take 8-10 seconds before your players even go into motion, passes that sail out of bounds for no reason, lobbed passed for no reason, etc.

Gameplay is the most important aspect of any game. I have put countless hours into basketball video games since the early 90s, literally countless. NBA 2K14 next gen was a great game outside of the limited game modes and server issues. The players moved like athletes, the game had a great pace and flow, and so many of the broken aspects of NBA 2K17 were not present. It was truly an enjoyable game. The last 3 years, it has gone completely downhill. Post patches/tuning updates, NBA 2K17 is one of the worst basketball games I've ever played.

I released the All time teams roster and Draft roster (took 400-500 hours of work JUST for those two) pre major patches/tuning updates. Why? Because before all of that, the game was decently enjoyable. I was even making highlight videos and posting them all over the place here. However, because online gamers complained about "Cheese", among other things, or maybe it was all just Dev discretion, the game was obliterated into an unenjoyable joke after the patches/tuning updates.

I am very, very disappointed, basketball video games are what my brothers and I do. I have two brothers, and this is our hobby and escape from the regular aspects of life. We get together every weekend (one of my brothers we play even more often) and we play offline in the same room. But, with the game being a nightmare in terms of the broken aspects, like broken defense/speed/mechanics, which generate constant broken pace, it's just not even fun anymore.

I am not sure if I will be finishing this project. My All Time Teams roster has 100% accurate portraits for every player, and all of the hidden players in the game on the correct teams, and its a great roster. My Ultimate Fantasy Draft Roster has all of the hidden players in the game, ready for use in a fantasy draft.

I hope you guys understand. This is going to sound dramatic, but it's kind of heartbreaking for me because of all the time and effort spent modding the game, and just overall being excited and repeatedly let down and not listened to.

Thanks for the support on my two other rosters and on my classic courts.




Oh man, this is heartbreaking. I feel your pain, frustration and disappointment. I don't want to sound selfish, I don't want to sound needy. I really really really pray and hope you get to release this in some capacity even if It is just to me. The only reason I purchased nba 2k17 for PC (after a long break dating back to NBA 2k11), was because I saw THIS project, brother. I really appreciate what you do, did and are doing. You and others like you, can literally save NBA 2k for us realistic, historians of nba basketball in video games. This is larger than nba 2k for me, this is a dip down memory lane, this is the ultimate fantasy for me. To play with teams that I loved and enjoyed and bring different era's and superstars together on the same court.

Right now I have to force myself onto Han's roster. It is good, I spend hours everyday just fixing tendencies, ratings, sig shots just to perfect it for my personal use.

If you do need help, I am always here... I really really hope I can play with this man... I am bored lol i got no hobby.. and I not talented like you are when it comes to these things.
Willing to help complete rosters for season/my league use.

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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:30 am

Thanks for the support, Timmyd.

For those of you who have supported me and my projects (I had some awesome artists, yes you are artists, who helped with the draft roster and all time teams roster) thank you. Your works made those two rosters complete. I appreciate it.
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Postby Shady00018 on Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:33 pm

That's so sad to hear man. :c but i'm glad to know that you really put in work with passion when it comes to your project. hopefully you'd find the drive once again to try to finish this project. there's so much potential in this. If ever that day comes, I'll do all i can to showcase to it's fullest. :bowdown: The next UBR !

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Postby TGsoGood on Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:33 am

I was extremely patient, waiting for this roster but understand your decision. Good luck with your future endeavors.

I myself have gone back to enjoying 2k14 with meds roster.

Maybe 2k18 will be more to everyone's liking. I wont have much time for that game though. Thanks for the fantasy roster.
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Postby Dee4Three on Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:48 am

Thanks for the support guys. I hope you enjoy my other two rosters. Here are the reasons I am not continuing with this project at the moment. These are my frustrations with this game. This is feedback that I have asked Andrew to send along to the Dev Team.


In terms of gameplay:

1. Forced animations: When an offensive player turns the corner on his defender, and the defender is on his side, MANY times a game the defender is forced into an animation where he transfers in front of the offensive player, causing the offensive player to fumble the ball, it will either go out of bounds off the offensive player, or it will be a foul. These animations drive defensive users crazy, because they are not pressing the steal button, its a forced animation. Also, it drives the offensive player crazy, because they do the right thing by turning the corner on the defender and getting the defender on the back or side, but the forced animation ruins it. Also, forced shots when driving trying to do a jump stop. Many times you can have momentum going towards the hoop, and you tap the button to do a jump stop, instead of a jump stop, the player is forced into an animation into a defender where he chucks up a shot falling forward. This is also something that happens multiple times a game. Another issue is on the pick n roll, where the player you are using gets stuck on the pick setter and you can't move him, or your player is automatically cast aside (transferred) to a spot, where it is impossible to recover from. This is partly why Pick n Rolls are so hard to stop and can be really frustrating. Forced celebration animations that you can't get out of is a killer, and this happens in close games. Your player will be celebrating after a made shot, and the other teams offensive player will run up the floor WIDE OPEN because the player is still celebrating and caught in the animation. And of course because of the defensive issues in the game, that player is wide open to score. Forced animations also impact you in the form of causing defensive 3 seconds, and offensive 3 seconds, multiple times a game. Players just getting stuck on other players causes this. Excessive bumping is another major issue. The bumps make your player useless for 1-2 seconds, it takes too long to recover from a bump. It creates for some really ugly offensive possessions. If you are using an offensive player who is rated somewhat low in dribbling/speed/acceleration, which is actually a lot of guards and forwards in this game, you will have some truly ugly possessions. Forced charging animations are also a killer, and many times they happen immediately when the offensive player catches the ball, and the defender is moving TOWARDS the offensive player.

2. Slow Motion Moves: Slow motion layups and dunks are a huge problem in NBA 2K17, it takes away from the realism and makes good takes to the hoop look weak and makes them easy to stop. Nobody moves like that in real life, even if they tried. You can be going full speed to the hoop or on a fastbreak, and suddenly you go into a layup or dunk animation, and your offensive player slows down. Reverse layups are also deathly slow on a lot of occasions. And no, turning up the game speed does not fix the issue. Slow motion spin moves and slow motion dribbles cripple certain players ability to do anything on the floor. For example, Clyde Drexler. Clyde Drexler (without adjusting his attributes) cannot get by ANYONE, and its almost impossible to create a shot with him. Why? Because he dribbles so slow, and many of his moves are just in slow motion.

3. Passing mechanics: Nothing is worse than making the correct pass, and it being SO SLOW (lobbed) that a defender who is not even in the area has time to easily get a steal. Passes NEVER happen like that in real life, players are taught to put substance on each pass, and players are ripped out of games if they don't adhere to that. I get a lob pass (with a certain button) for say, a skip pass. But outside of skip passes, those slow motion passes just do not happen. Also, passes sailing out of bounds on routine outlet passes, that any rec league player can easily make (I play in 3 rec leagues right now). You will get a rebound with say, Dwight Howard, and he will try and outlet the ball to Schroeder, and Schroeder is WIDE open heading down the sideline, or even in the middle of the court, and the ball goes sailing over his head as he makes some strange frantic attempt to catch it. That never happens in real life. Also, you can go to make a push up the floor (make that initial pass as your teammate is running up the sideline) and he could be 15 feet in front of you, and the ball will sail over his head. This is really frustrating, because that initial pass to push the ball up the floor is a very realistic, and a very important part of any basketball game.

4. Protected shots: This is another big issue with this game. The fact that you can use a shooter like say, CJ McCollum, and have your defender 2 or 3 feet off of you (with space), and you go up to shoot and a forced wild shot occurs, causing a huge brick or even the ball not hitting the rim, is absolutely insane. This never happens in the NBA, and protected shots in this game happen even if the defender is a couple feet on THE SIDE of your offensive player. I understand if a player is getting guarded with tight D, if the shot has a lower chance of going in (If the defender is in the players shorts), but to cause so many wild misses and awkward looking animations is very unrealistic. And it ruins the flow. In fact, this also ruins the end of close games, where you will get a final shot off with what you THINK is space, but your offensive player wildly chucks up a protected shot (good shooter), and it has like a 5% chance of falling. That's not the way real basketball works.

5. Defense: The defense in this video game is flat out frustrating. From players getting back doored all the time (Defender just getting completely lost and just standing there), or players getting stuck on other players (which causes def 3 seconds, and just wide open shots and cuts all over the floor), or players running completely wide open up the middle of the floor (Someone like Rudy Gobert just strolling up the middle of the floor beating every defender on the fast break for a wide open dunk). The defense needs to be completely adjusted, its so frustrating. You as a human can only control one player at a time, when the defense is failing that often and when multiple players are failing at the same time, its impossible to stop the offense sometimes. Playing against the CPU isn't as tough, because they are not exploiting all of those defensive AI mishaps as much, but when you play a human and they KNOW about all the exploits. Its really frustrating. Either way, the defense needs a complete overhaul.

6. Running Plays: It takes far too long for players to start to go in motion when a play is called, in fact, I have given up on running plays outside of the quick plays. For example, Floppy. This play is for a shooter, where he goes on the baseline and uses a screen to pop out and get an open shot. Seems simple right? wrong... it takes that player like 8-10 seconds to even get himself into the initial spot under the basket (As he gets stuck on other players, stuck in animations, and fumbles his way to the spot), by the time he pops out, sometimes it takes a total of 12-14 seconds for the whole thing to happen, and by than you are at the end of the shot clock. This is not how it works in real life, running plays is near impossible in this game.

7. Body steals/Body blocks: It is SO EASY to get blocks in this game, even with PG's on C's. Why? because the ball is so easily jarred from the hands of athletes who have been taught all of there lives to hang on to the ball, but for some reason in NBA 2K17 they have all forgotten. Another reason is because of slow motion animations (see post 1), but literally you can block a shot with anybody. This is REALLY frustrating when you get by your defender (Say, you are using Paul George), and you go up for a dunk (which he cocks back, obviously), and little Isaiah Thomas blocks the shot.... I had 5 blocks with Thomas one game, all on unrealistic stuff like that. Players are taught all growing up to hold on to the ball, hold onto it firm, protect the ball. This has been completely lost in 2k17. Body steals drive me crazy, because in order to get one, you can literally use a defender and press up against the dribbler (or offensive player holding the ball) and somehow your body jars the ball out of the offensive players hands, and it falls to the floor. What? When have you ever seen that happen in the NBA? In NBA 2K17, it happens multiple times a game. Body steals/Body blocks destroy the flow.

8. Offensive flow (fastbreaks): The fastbreak system in this game needs a complete overhaul. On over 50% of 2 on 1's or 3 on 1's, if you are using the offensive player in the middle of the floor, your teammates flare out to the three point line... no matter who they are, they could be PF's or C's, but they are heading to the 3 point line, it destroys most fastbreaks. This is not realistic on any level. Players fill lanes (like they are taught in real life) seamlessly. I am not saying that they will finish every one, and yes some fastbreaks are muffled by good defense, but the fading out to the three point line all the time does not happen in real life.

9. Signature shots: Have any of you taken a shot with Jonas Jerebko or Amir Johnson? According to NBA 2K17, they have sweet jump shots (they are really getting off the ground!). I get it, it's a lot of work to choose signature shots accurately for players, and we as users can certainly edit them... however... some of these are NOT EVEN CLOSE. Current teams and classic teams have each team with poor signature shot selections. Jerebko and Johnson have set shots, they do not have the lift of a Ray Allen on a jumper (They don't shoot JUMPERS). Some things I've mentioned before, Isaiah Rider having a full signature copy job of Lebron James (Identical), and Nick Van Exel having Shawn Marions free throw, are just a couple more examples. I know it's a lot of work, but hey, if you dedicate one person to just signature shots for a decent amount of time (and watch these players on video), you can get it right. Heck, I am one person, and I have gone in and fixed most or all of them.

10. Attention to classic teams: I am really disappointed with the lack of attention to the classic teams. First off, if you have Erving in the game, why isn't the championship 82-83 Sixers in the game instead of the 84-85 sixers? I know, you didn't include the 84-85 Sixers in the game in 2k17, but I am talking about in the past and moving forward in the future. You have been including the 84-85 76ers without Barkley... and they didn't win the title... why not include the 82-83 76ers CHAMPIONSHIP team? Some of the classic teams selections don't make sense. With this year being the Kobe game, why were the 08-09 or 09-10 Lakers not added? You had the rights to most or all the players? People would have loved to use those teams. But lets get to the gameplay: The classic teams are grossly underdone in the speed and quickness departments, and the tendancies were rushed and are WAY off. You will sim a season, and you will have guards getting 0 to 5 blocks and like 15 rebounds in an entire season, and PF's and C's getting like 12 assists and like 4 steals in an entire season. This is a problem with the tendencies, and it makes using these teams in a MyLeague setting really frustrating and unrealistic. The classic teams and players deserve better.

Graphics/Atmosphere/Presentation:

1. Get back to the NBA 2K14 next gen Graphics: Lets get back to the days where we didn't have the skinny body type (players that look like me when I was 13), lets get back to the realistic reflections on the court, lets get back to that beautiful foggy look that sometimes the stadium has (especially seen on close ups with the players. I Still have 2k14 for X1, and I still cant get over how much better the game looks to me. The players looked more like athletes (And moved more like athletes).

2. Presentation: The replays at the end of the game, or when you select a player and view the highlights, are brutal. They are way too close up, and the camera jerks around, you can hardly see what is happening. The best highlights (For Halftime/Post game) were on 2k13/2k14. You could see what was happening and the camera was placed appropriately. I don't even like watching highlights on this game. The halftime highlights atleast get the broadcast view for them. Also, what happened to the "assist of the game", or special features like that? Before the 4th quarter, they used to have the State Farm assist of the game, in NBA Live, they have plays of the game, can something like that happen for 2k18? It would be a great added touch. The crowd atmosphere for the classic teams is dull and unrealistic. The chants resemble that of a high school game (with chants from what sounds like testosterone filled boys yelling "Defense" really fast with no other noise going on). The chants like this shouldn't even be in the game, it's not a high school game, its an NBA game. It doesn't remotely sound like real life. The classic teams stadiums are dark, dull, and boring. That is not in anyway realistic compared to real life when these teams played, or when it was viewed on TV. It doesn't add to the realism, it takes away from the realism.

Modes:

1. MyLeague Online: Not sure why you have a completely immersive online MyLeague, that leaves out the awards aspect of it. Otherwise, the mode is great.

2. MyTeam: Allowing only one difficulty level for MyLeague (all star) is frustrating. Because users have different skill levels. On all star, it is VERY easy to get steals and blocks. In fact, in 6 minutes quarters (because you are also forced into that), I had 9 steals with Mo Williams... 9 steals.... with Mo Williams. We should be able to change the difficulty level, and the quarter length in this mode. We should also be able to do the mode with a friend (locally), that would be amazing for those who don't just want to sit all alone and play in the dark. Just a team select screen that allows the second user to join the game.

Patches/Tuning Updates:

1. These are killing the game... I get roster updates, I get it. And I get slight updates to attributes as the season goes on. But the last few years, the crazy amount of patches/tuning updates, cripple the user experience. It changes the gameplay entirely from what it was at first release, creating a different more frustrating experience with each update.
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby timmyd on Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:21 am

Dee4Three wrote:Thanks for the support guys. I hope you enjoy my other two rosters. Here are the reasons I am not continuing with this project at the moment. These are my frustrations with this game. This is feedback that I have asked Andrew to send along to the Dev Team.


In terms of gameplay:

1. Forced animations: When an offensive player turns the corner on his defender, and the defender is on his side, MANY times a game the defender is forced into an animation where he transfers in front of the offensive player, causing the offensive player to fumble the ball, it will either go out of bounds off the offensive player, or it will be a foul. These animations drive defensive users crazy, because they are not pressing the steal button, its a forced animation. Also, it drives the offensive player crazy, because they do the right thing by turning the corner on the defender and getting the defender on the back or side, but the forced animation ruins it. Also, forced shots when driving trying to do a jump stop. Many times you can have momentum going towards the hoop, and you tap the button to do a jump stop, instead of a jump stop, the player is forced into an animation into a defender where he chucks up a shot falling forward. This is also something that happens multiple times a game. Another issue is on the pick n roll, where the player you are using gets stuck on the pick setter and you can't move him, or your player is automatically cast aside (transferred) to a spot, where it is impossible to recover from. This is partly why Pick n Rolls are so hard to stop and can be really frustrating. Forced celebration animations that you can't get out of is a killer, and this happens in close games. Your player will be celebrating after a made shot, and the other teams offensive player will run up the floor WIDE OPEN because the player is still celebrating and caught in the animation. And of course because of the defensive issues in the game, that player is wide open to score. Forced animations also impact you in the form of causing defensive 3 seconds, and offensive 3 seconds, multiple times a game. Players just getting stuck on other players causes this. Excessive bumping is another major issue. The bumps make your player useless for 1-2 seconds, it takes too long to recover from a bump. It creates for some really ugly offensive possessions. If you are using an offensive player who is rated somewhat low in dribbling/speed/acceleration, which is actually a lot of guards and forwards in this game, you will have some truly ugly possessions. Forced charging animations are also a killer, and many times they happen immediately when the offensive player catches the ball, and the defender is moving TOWARDS the offensive player.

2. Slow Motion Moves: Slow motion layups and dunks are a huge problem in NBA 2K17, it takes away from the realism and makes good takes to the hoop look weak and makes them easy to stop. Nobody moves like that in real life, even if they tried. You can be going full speed to the hoop or on a fastbreak, and suddenly you go into a layup or dunk animation, and your offensive player slows down. Reverse layups are also deathly slow on a lot of occasions. And no, turning up the game speed does not fix the issue. Slow motion spin moves and slow motion dribbles cripple certain players ability to do anything on the floor. For example, Clyde Drexler. Clyde Drexler (without adjusting his attributes) cannot get by ANYONE, and its almost impossible to create a shot with him. Why? Because he dribbles so slow, and many of his moves are just in slow motion.

3. Passing mechanics: Nothing is worse than making the correct pass, and it being SO SLOW (lobbed) that a defender who is not even in the area has time to easily get a steal. Passes NEVER happen like that in real life, players are taught to put substance on each pass, and players are ripped out of games if they don't adhere to that. I get a lob pass (with a certain button) for say, a skip pass. But outside of skip passes, those slow motion passes just do not happen. Also, passes sailing out of bounds on routine outlet passes, that any rec league player can easily make (I play in 3 rec leagues right now). You will get a rebound with say, Dwight Howard, and he will try and outlet the ball to Schroeder, and Schroeder is WIDE open heading down the sideline, or even in the middle of the court, and the ball goes sailing over his head as he makes some strange frantic attempt to catch it. That never happens in real life. Also, you can go to make a push up the floor (make that initial pass as your teammate is running up the sideline) and he could be 15 feet in front of you, and the ball will sail over his head. This is really frustrating, because that initial pass to push the ball up the floor is a very realistic, and a very important part of any basketball game.

4. Protected shots: This is another big issue with this game. The fact that you can use a shooter like say, CJ McCollum, and have your defender 2 or 3 feet off of you (with space), and you go up to shoot and a forced wild shot occurs, causing a huge brick or even the ball not hitting the rim, is absolutely insane. This never happens in the NBA, and protected shots in this game happen even if the defender is a couple feet on THE SIDE of your offensive player. I understand if a player is getting guarded with tight D, if the shot has a lower chance of going in (If the defender is in the players shorts), but to cause so many wild misses and awkward looking animations is very unrealistic. And it ruins the flow. In fact, this also ruins the end of close games, where you will get a final shot off with what you THINK is space, but your offensive player wildly chucks up a protected shot (good shooter), and it has like a 5% chance of falling. That's not the way real basketball works.

5. Defense: The defense in this video game is flat out frustrating. From players getting back doored all the time (Defender just getting completely lost and just standing there), or players getting stuck on other players (which causes def 3 seconds, and just wide open shots and cuts all over the floor), or players running completely wide open up the middle of the floor (Someone like Rudy Gobert just strolling up the middle of the floor beating every defender on the fast break for a wide open dunk). The defense needs to be completely adjusted, its so frustrating. You as a human can only control one player at a time, when the defense is failing that often and when multiple players are failing at the same time, its impossible to stop the offense sometimes. Playing against the CPU isn't as tough, because they are not exploiting all of those defensive AI mishaps as much, but when you play a human and they KNOW about all the exploits. Its really frustrating. Either way, the defense needs a complete overhaul.

6. Running Plays: It takes far too long for players to start to go in motion when a play is called, in fact, I have given up on running plays outside of the quick plays. For example, Floppy. This play is for a shooter, where he goes on the baseline and uses a screen to pop out and get an open shot. Seems simple right? wrong... it takes that player like 8-10 seconds to even get himself into the initial spot under the basket (As he gets stuck on other players, stuck in animations, and fumbles his way to the spot), by the time he pops out, sometimes it takes a total of 12-14 seconds for the whole thing to happen, and by than you are at the end of the shot clock. This is not how it works in real life, running plays is near impossible in this game.

7. Body steals/Body blocks: It is SO EASY to get blocks in this game, even with PG's on C's. Why? because the ball is so easily jarred from the hands of athletes who have been taught all of there lives to hang on to the ball, but for some reason in NBA 2K17 they have all forgotten. Another reason is because of slow motion animations (see post 1), but literally you can block a shot with anybody. This is REALLY frustrating when you get by your defender (Say, you are using Paul George), and you go up for a dunk (which he cocks back, obviously), and little Isaiah Thomas blocks the shot.... I had 5 blocks with Thomas one game, all on unrealistic stuff like that. Players are taught all growing up to hold on to the ball, hold onto it firm, protect the ball. This has been completely lost in 2k17. Body steals drive me crazy, because in order to get one, you can literally use a defender and press up against the dribbler (or offensive player holding the ball) and somehow your body jars the ball out of the offensive players hands, and it falls to the floor. What? When have you ever seen that happen in the NBA? In NBA 2K17, it happens multiple times a game. Body steals/Body blocks destroy the flow.

8. Offensive flow (fastbreaks): The fastbreak system in this game needs a complete overhaul. On over 50% of 2 on 1's or 3 on 1's, if you are using the offensive player in the middle of the floor, your teammates flare out to the three point line... no matter who they are, they could be PF's or C's, but they are heading to the 3 point line, it destroys most fastbreaks. This is not realistic on any level. Players fill lanes (like they are taught in real life) seamlessly. I am not saying that they will finish every one, and yes some fastbreaks are muffled by good defense, but the fading out to the three point line all the time does not happen in real life.

9. Signature shots: Have any of you taken a shot with Jonas Jerebko or Amir Johnson? According to NBA 2K17, they have sweet jump shots (they are really getting off the ground!). I get it, it's a lot of work to choose signature shots accurately for players, and we as users can certainly edit them... however... some of these are NOT EVEN CLOSE. Current teams and classic teams have each team with poor signature shot selections. Jerebko and Johnson have set shots, they do not have the lift of a Ray Allen on a jumper (They don't shoot JUMPERS). Some things I've mentioned before, Isaiah Rider having a full signature copy job of Lebron James (Identical), and Nick Van Exel having Shawn Marions free throw, are just a couple more examples. I know it's a lot of work, but hey, if you dedicate one person to just signature shots for a decent amount of time (and watch these players on video), you can get it right. Heck, I am one person, and I have gone in and fixed most or all of them.

10. Attention to classic teams: I am really disappointed with the lack of attention to the classic teams. First off, if you have Erving in the game, why isn't the championship 82-83 Sixers in the game instead of the 84-85 sixers? I know, you didn't include the 84-85 Sixers in the game in 2k17, but I am talking about in the past and moving forward in the future. You have been including the 84-85 76ers without Barkley... and they didn't win the title... why not include the 82-83 76ers CHAMPIONSHIP team? Some of the classic teams selections don't make sense. With this year being the Kobe game, why were the 08-09 or 09-10 Lakers not added? You had the rights to most or all the players? People would have loved to use those teams. But lets get to the gameplay: The classic teams are grossly underdone in the speed and quickness departments, and the tendancies were rushed and are WAY off. You will sim a season, and you will have guards getting 0 to 5 blocks and like 15 rebounds in an entire season, and PF's and C's getting like 12 assists and like 4 steals in an entire season. This is a problem with the tendencies, and it makes using these teams in a MyLeague setting really frustrating and unrealistic. The classic teams and players deserve better.

Graphics/Atmosphere/Presentation:

1. Get back to the NBA 2K14 next gen Graphics: Lets get back to the days where we didn't have the skinny body type (players that look like me when I was 13), lets get back to the realistic reflections on the court, lets get back to that beautiful foggy look that sometimes the stadium has (especially seen on close ups with the players. I Still have 2k14 for X1, and I still cant get over how much better the game looks to me. The players looked more like athletes (And moved more like athletes).

2. Presentation: The replays at the end of the game, or when you select a player and view the highlights, are brutal. They are way too close up, and the camera jerks around, you can hardly see what is happening. The best highlights (For Halftime/Post game) were on 2k13/2k14. You could see what was happening and the camera was placed appropriately. I don't even like watching highlights on this game. The halftime highlights atleast get the broadcast view for them. Also, what happened to the "assist of the game", or special features like that? Before the 4th quarter, they used to have the State Farm assist of the game, in NBA Live, they have plays of the game, can something like that happen for 2k18? It would be a great added touch. The crowd atmosphere for the classic teams is dull and unrealistic. The chants resemble that of a high school game (with chants from what sounds like testosterone filled boys yelling "Defense" really fast with no other noise going on). The chants like this shouldn't even be in the game, it's not a high school game, its an NBA game. It doesn't remotely sound like real life. The classic teams stadiums are dark, dull, and boring. That is not in anyway realistic compared to real life when these teams played, or when it was viewed on TV. It doesn't add to the realism, it takes away from the realism.

Modes:

1. MyLeague Online: Not sure why you have a completely immersive online MyLeague, that leaves out the awards aspect of it. Otherwise, the mode is great.

2. MyTeam: Allowing only one difficulty level for MyLeague (all star) is frustrating. Because users have different skill levels. On all star, it is VERY easy to get steals and blocks. In fact, in 6 minutes quarters (because you are also forced into that), I had 9 steals with Mo Williams... 9 steals.... with Mo Williams. We should be able to change the difficulty level, and the quarter length in this mode. We should also be able to do the mode with a friend (locally), that would be amazing for those who don't just want to sit all alone and play in the dark. Just a team select screen that allows the second user to join the game.

Patches/Tuning Updates:

1. These are killing the game... I get roster updates, I get it. And I get slight updates to attributes as the season goes on. But the last few years, the crazy amount of patches/tuning updates, cripple the user experience. It changes the gameplay entirely from what it was at first release, creating a different more frustrating experience with each update.



Wow man, you hit on the head. I noticed all these things and suggest similar changes. I feel your pain bra...

Hopefully going forward, nba 2k18 is vastly improved for people like you and me.

Do you think you could release a 'beta' though? for us to just mess around with and play with for fun? with out any updates or anything just a beta to fool around with.
Willing to help complete rosters for season/my league use.

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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:08 am

Timmyd, I don't release work that's not ready to go. My other two rosters were ready to play right away, this one is not.

I'm getting frustrated with the lack of responses when reaching out to 2k on social media platforms, but I can't expect anything for a response, atleast that's what history tells me. Everything I listed in that long post are very real issues in the game, that directly impact the flow/pace of the game, almost crippling the user experience completely.

Basketball video games are a huge part of my life, as I've stated prior, they are a hobby and an escape from reality. It's a big bonding experience between my two brothers and I. One thing that frustrates me, is sometimes I feel like these things are done in order to have improvements for the next game, or the next generation of games... because why else would they have so many gameplay issues, and remove presentation features that were positive and were had in the past? Yes, they added EJ/Kenny/Shaq recently, and some pre-game stuff, but overall I consider the presentation to be bland in comparison to EA Sports NBA Live. Also, some of these issues have been around for a FEW GAMES, legacy issues. They know about these issues, but the issues still poke their ugly heads out in every game, or in patches/updates. I look at some of the "community managers", the people that promote the products, and the interaction between them and people who play the games is concerning. They mock them, they act like its a joke, or they plain ignore them.

I didn't make up these issues, I didn't come up with these issues out of thin air, these are ALL real issues that everybody has that can cripple the user experience. I didn't even mention on here the server issues, which is still a major problem from what I hear.

I picture this, developers sitting in front of the game (Mike Wang included), playing the game and seeing these issues, and either A: Not noticing them, because they don't have a true feel for how basketball really flows, or B: Noticing them, but considering it acceptable somehow. Here is why I think it can only be those two, because I had a drastically different experience with a few past 2k's, where the game flowed correctly. The developers cannot sit there, and try to advance the ball up the court down the sideline, and the ball sail over the intended recipients head, and go "Wow, that's realistic, I shouldn't have made that pass"... it's impossible if you know anything about the game. I refuse to believe that these issues cannot be fixed.

Do I sound like I'm ranting? Yes, do I sound like I'm overdoing it? Maybe... but I want you to consider how much time and effort many of us put into these games. We buy the games to create memories, we use our hard earned money to create memories, we deserve to be treated better by the community managers, and better in general in the form of a game that doesn't have so many issues that are not responded to. I want to know what qualifies, say, Ronnie 2k, to be a community manager, and to treat users the way he does?. What makes him more qualified than someone like say, me, in that position? I have watched him play the game (along with others pre-release), and they have no idea what they are doing. They play horrible. So maybe they treat the community that way because they don't understand how to play themselves? Maybe they don't see the REAL ISSUES that we see (Even the average user expresses anger at these issues). I posted one paragraph summarizing the issues on 2k's Facebook page (on a post about the trade deadline), it easily hit 300 likes, and over 70 comments of people agreeing with all of the issues. This isn't a "We are not good at the game, so we are going to complain", this is a "We don't have control over the crazy broken aspects of the game, so we are not having fun".

ANY PRODUCT should have user feedback, user reviews, user input. Any product.

However, MOST of 2k's sales are on launch day, and at Christmas. They could make no money outside of those days, and they would still be more than all set, and #1. So I honestly think that they hang their hats on that, and let the things I mentioned above go. And that is enormously frustrating.

Do you guys see where I am coming from?
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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby zetsuboushta on Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:49 am

Dee4Three wrote:I want to know what qualifies, say, Ronnie 2k, to be a community manager, and to treat users the way he does?

But he is a manager which responds for ad and stuff like that, so I don't think that you are completely right in this aspect.
Also, it's a game that should attract big groups of gamers(mainly casuals) and attract their money too.
Probably developers don't interested in fixing things which make majority of gamers pleased. It's bad, but not surprising at all.
I have some claims to 2K too, especially because of their servers. For example, in Russia, where I live, I can't play online, it's pretty frustrating(I don't like mypark so much, but problem is still there). And you're completely rights with your claims. But they won't change major parts of the game, because they're not interested in that entirely. Game brings money, people play in the 2K, they practically don't have competition in the market.

But some mods really help perceive the game differently. Especially your, Han and Viper rosters, cyberfaces, portraits(on of the most fails which 2K did, I was really diappointed when i saw D-Rose portrait). So it would be really great if you'll proceed with your work. Just an opinion and humble wish. I completely understand your dissapointment, but, on the other hand, you're making the game better.

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Re: D43 - Ultimate Classic Teams Roster - ASKING ASSISTANCE- WIP - PC

Postby maverik99vc on Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:15 pm

zetsuboushta wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:I want to know what qualifies, say, Ronnie 2k, to be a community manager, and to treat users the way he does?

But he is a manager which responds for ad and stuff like that, so I don't think that you are completely right in this aspect.
Also, it's a game that should attract big groups of gamers(mainly casuals) and attract their money too.
Probably developers don't interested in fixing things which make majority of gamers pleased. It's bad, but not surprising at all.
I have some claims to 2K too, especially because of their servers. For example, in Russia, where I live, I can't play online, it's pretty frustrating(I don't like mypark so much, but problem is still there). And you're completely rights with your claims. But they won't change major parts of the game, because they're not interested in that entirely. Game brings money, people play in the 2K, they practically don't have competition in the market.

But some mods really help perceive the game differently. Especially your, Han and Viper rosters, cyberfaces, portraits(on of the most fails which 2K did, I was really diappointed when i saw D-Rose portrait). So it would be really great if you'll proceed with your work. Just an opinion and humble wish. I completely understand your dissapointment, but, on the other hand, you're making the game better.

(sorry, if I made mistakes, it's not my native language)


Im agreed with you man!
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:34 am

I finished the 96-97 Rockets last night, they are awesome. since I put the .EXE in from before December (I had backed it up), the game is a little more enjoyable, which gave me a little motivation. I havn't had this thread closed because I am slowly chipping away at the roster.

I'll keep you guys posted if I make anymore updates, or if I get closer to a release. For those who have reached out to me via PM, thanks for the support. I got really frustrated with the game for awhile and was really unmotivated. But I don't want to completely kill the project.

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Postby SanchezAmaro on Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:12 am

Thats great news!
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Postby timmyd on Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:55 am

Dee4Three wrote:I finished the 96-97 Rockets last night, they are awesome. since I put the .EXE in from before December (I had backed it up), the game is a little more enjoyable, which gave me a little motivation. I havn't had this thread closed because I am slowly chipping away at the roster.

I'll keep you guys posted if I make anymore updates, or if I get closer to a release. For those who have reached out to me via PM, thanks for the support. I got really frustrated with the game for awhile and was really unmotivated. But I don't want to completely kill the project.

Thanks again.



GREAT NEWS!

THANK YOU D43. YOU ARE THE MAN FOR TRYING TO BATTLE THIS INNER FRUSTRATION FOR 2K. EVEN IF THE GAME IS NOT PERFECT... YOUR ROSTER WILL SAVE NBA2K17 for me.

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Postby maverik99vc on Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:10 pm

Dee4Three wrote:I finished the 96-97 Rockets last night, they are awesome. since I put the .EXE in from before December (I had backed it up), the game is a little more enjoyable, which gave me a little motivation. I havn't had this thread closed because I am slowly chipping away at the roster.

I'll keep you guys posted if I make anymore updates, or if I get closer to a release. For those who have reached out to me via PM, thanks for the support. I got really frustrated with the game for awhile and was really unmotivated. But I don't want to completely kill the project.

Thanks again.



Great news!! Thanks for continue this roster man!!


BTW It's possibile to host your old exe?? I wanna test the game before the updates!
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Postby Dee4Three on Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:01 am

maverik99vc wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:I finished the 96-97 Rockets last night, they are awesome. since I put the .EXE in from before December (I had backed it up), the game is a little more enjoyable, which gave me a little motivation. I havn't had this thread closed because I am slowly chipping away at the roster.

I'll keep you guys posted if I make anymore updates, or if I get closer to a release. For those who have reached out to me via PM, thanks for the support. I got really frustrated with the game for awhile and was really unmotivated. But I don't want to completely kill the project.

Thanks again.



Great news!! Thanks for continue this roster man!!


BTW It's possibile to host your old exe?? I wanna test the game before the updates!


Unfortunately, .EXE's cannot be shared per the rules. So I can't, sorry about that.
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Postby Dee4Three on Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:08 am

This stung.

Last night, I got beat by a Reggie Miller buzzer beater from the corner. While realistic, it didn't hurt any less. And, this was the first game of the season....

I'm using the 96-97 Rockets here vs the 99-00 Pacers.

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Postby SanchezAmaro on Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:31 pm

Out of curiosity,

How many teams did you already have, and how many more are you planning to create?? I followed your comments on gameplay and saddly I cannot tell much as this is my first 2k (ive been always a fifa fan) but it seems you know a lot what you are talking about. Since the moment I joined in, this is the mod I am looking for!
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Postby Dee4Three on Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:07 am

Hey Sanchez,

Here are the NEW classic teams I have completed so far:

00-01 Kings
09-10 Lakers
10-11 Mavericks
05-06 Nets
06-07 Nuggets
04-05 Spurs
11-12 Thunder
14-15 Warriors
92-93 Suns
96-97 Rockets
99-00 Pacers

New teams I am adding before a release:

96-97 Heat
99-00 Knicks
10-11 Bulls

Default Roster Classic Teams I have replaced:

I replaced the 97-98 Spurs with the 95-96 Spurs (Primed David Robinson)
I replaced the 93-94 Rockets with the 94-95 Rockets (With Drexler).. I am on the fence about changing this back.
I replaced the 90-91 Lakers with the 89-90 Lakers (With Orlando Woolridge).. I am also on the fence about changing this back.
I replaced the 12-13 Heat with the 11-12 Heat (Without Ray Allen).. This way, you can start a myLeague with both the 07-08 Celtics and the 11-12 Heat, and Ray Allen will not be a duplicate.

Default roster classic teams I have not completed:

70-71 Hawks
71-72 Lakers
64-65 Lakers
93-94 Nuggets

All other default classic roster teams are completed with all accurate players on each team, ready for use in MyLEAGUE.

Ultimate goal with this roster:

Have all the classic teams, and new classic teams, be ready for use in MyLeague upon first release. All teams will have 13 players or more, and be accurate.

NOTE: The Euro teams will be useless (Dumping grounds for players not used), and the new classic teams are overwriting the current teams (For example, the 96-97 Rockets are overwriting the current Houston Rockets). All new classic teams will have accurate courts that I converted or ones that were made here. As you can see on my video above, its the accurate 96-97 Rockets court. PeacemanNOT has done a lot of work on Jerseys, and those will all be included in the release. PeacemanNOT also volunteered to change team names right before the release, that way you don't need to go into MyLEAGUE and change the teams names.

This roster will be 100% for use in Play Now and MyLeague, and it really is tailored to MyLEAGUE. That way you can put the greatest teams of all time against eachother in as many fantasy matchups as you want, with limited to no duplicates.

Again, I am chipping away at this slowly, thanks for the patience all.
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Postby SanchezAmaro on Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:40 am

Incredible!!! really wanna play the Nets!

I was just wondering, why to replace current classic teams if you can override euro teams? I mean, if people still do not want to have multiple D. Robinson in MyLeague, they can just add one Spurs, but all other Spurs (like 97-98) will still be available for play now, another myleague, etc.. In other words, you can keep 12-13 heat, and people can still use 11-12 for myleague or am I wrong? Please correct me! I usually play playnow and myGM
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Postby Dee4Three on Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:46 am

SanchezAmaro wrote:Incredible!!! really wanna play the Nets!

I was just wondering, why to replace current classic teams if you can override euro teams? I mean, if people still do not want to have multiple D. Robinson in MyLeague, they can just add one Spurs, but all other Spurs (like 97-98) will still be available for play now, another myleague, etc.. In other words, you can keep 12-13 heat, and people can still use 11-12 for myleague or am I wrong? Please correct me! I usually play playnow and myGM


Without an appropriate roster editor we are limited. The Euro teams would not only need to have players ADDED to the end of the roster using a program like Cheat Engine (Because most of those teams do not have 13 guys, and you can't just add players to the teams, they are hard coded with the number of guys they have, meaning... without 13 guys these teams couldn't be used in myleague). Not only that, but the team RULES would have to be changed to NBA, because they have hard coded euro league rules. The audio files would also need to be changed. My original goal was to overwrite all the euroleague teams, and keep the current teams intact, but that proved impossible at the moment.

So, this roster will not be for current teams at all, it will be strictly for use of classic teams (newly added and default roster classic teams).

Having this roster, my all time teams roster, my draft roster, and the current rosters that are out there, give PC users some great options for really fun MyLeagues.
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Postby PeacemanNOT on Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:18 am

I would prefer that the 12-13 Heat and the 11-12 Heat don't overwrite. The jerseys conflict because they have 25 year anniversary badge which is a 12-13 thing. Same goes for 94-95 Rockets, Hakeem was a lot better in 94, MVP season, better team overall. It would be great to have them both and use the same method Han's roster is doing which is finding similar teams with similar team colours. Obviously he's using the roster editor which we've yet to gain access to. I wish maumau was more active in to figure how to edit this stuff through cheat engine.
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Postby Dee4Three on Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:19 am

PeacemanNOT wrote:If maumau or someone found out how to add 13 players will you use Euro Teams? I would prefer that the 12-13 Heat and the 11-12 Heat don't overwrite. The jerseys conflict because they have 25 year anniversary badge which is a 12-13 thing. Same goes for 94-95 Rockets, Hakeem was a lot better in 94, MVP season, better team overall. It would be great to have them both and use the same method Han's roster is doing which is finding similar teams with similar team colours. Obviously he's using the roster editor which we've yet to gain access to.


That was my ultimate goal, and if that gets figured out, I am on board and will switch it all over.
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Postby SanchezAmaro on Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:04 am

I understand, well do the best you think. For me is perfect with just classic teams! Looking forward
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Postby timmyd on Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:22 am

Dee4Three wrote:This stung.

Last night, I got beat by a Reggie Miller buzzer beater from the corner. While realistic, it didn't hurt any less. And, this was the first game of the season....

I'm using the 96-97 Rockets here vs the 99-00 Pacers.

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This looks absolutely amazing!! Reggie Miller is way too accurate. Thank you for sharing this Dee4Three. If anything, you have now gotten us all really excited for NBA 2K17 again. I can just imagine, after my wife and kids go to sleep. I will play everynight till about 3am lol wake up at 7am and go to work for 9am. lol
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Postby timmyd on Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:24 am

SanchezAmaro wrote:Incredible!!! really wanna play the Nets!

I was just wondering, why to replace current classic teams if you can override euro teams? I mean, if people still do not want to have multiple D. Robinson in MyLeague, they can just add one Spurs, but all other Spurs (like 97-98) will still be available for play now, another myleague, etc.. In other words, you can keep 12-13 heat, and people can still use 11-12 for myleague or am I wrong? Please correct me! I usually play playnow and myGM


Oh man the Net's are going to be amazing. Kidd, RJ and VC! I remember them falling to the Heat in back to back year's, I'd love to finally defeat Shaq and D Wade lol
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Postby timmyd on Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:26 am

SanchezAmaro wrote:Incredible!!! really wanna play the Nets!

I was just wondering, why to replace current classic teams if you can override euro teams? I mean, if people still do not want to have multiple D. Robinson in MyLeague, they can just add one Spurs, but all other Spurs (like 97-98) will still be available for play now, another myleague, etc.. In other words, you can keep 12-13 heat, and people can still use 11-12 for myleague or am I wrong? Please correct me! I usually play playnow and myGM



Once this is released, I'm probably going to try my best to re-create Toronto Raptors from 2006-2007 as well to counter part the Nets, just for my personal use without any arena or cyber face lol (I don't know how to do that stuff) and I don't want to ruin D43's work with my butchery.

2K already has

Bosh (without dreadlocks, sadly).
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Postby SanchezAmaro on Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:13 am

Maybe a nice team to consider is Baron Davis warriors. In fantasy draft is cool and I think Han Roster has it eith court etc
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Postby Dee4Three on Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:24 am

SanchezAmaro wrote:Maybe a nice team to consider is Baron Davis warriors. In fantasy draft is cool and I think Han Roster has it eith court etc


This is something I wanted to do. However, the problem is... I had to choose between them and the 14-15 Warriors because I had to overwrite the current Warriors team. If the Euro Teams can be overwritten, I will certainly consider adding them. 14-15 Warriors took priority because they won the title.
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Postby SanchezAmaro on Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:25 am

Dee4Three wrote:
SanchezAmaro wrote:Maybe a nice team to consider is Baron Davis warriors. In fantasy draft is cool and I think Han Roster has it eith court etc


This is something I wanted to do. However, the problem is... I had to choose between them and the 14-15 Warriors because I had to overwrite the current Warriors team. If the Euro Teams can be overwritten, I will certainly consider adding them. 14-15 Warriors took priority because they won the title.


I see, I thought you could override any nba current team, the 30 of them and fill with different classics regardless of the franchise (e.g. 3 lakers and 0 memphis). Well that will be cool like Roy´s Blazzers and some others, but anyway, is so cool you are re-starting this again!
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Postby zetsuboushta on Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:00 am

timmyd wrote:2K already has

Bosh (without dreadlocks, sadly).

Han roster has Bosh with dreadlocks.
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Postby Dee4Three on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:24 am

zetsuboushta wrote:
timmyd wrote:2K already has

Bosh (without dreadlocks, sadly).

Han roster has Bosh with dreadlocks.


He is correct, it does. That roster doesn't have the 05-06 Nets though, and I think he was looking to matchup those two teams. Also, that roster for the moment is only good for Play Now (With classic teams anyway).

I am going to try to work on this roster this week, life has been really busy with work and actual basketball (I had two basketball games yesterday, and I have one tonight). One of the leagues I am in is ending really soon, so that will free up more time.
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Postby timmyd on Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:34 am

Dee4Three wrote:
zetsuboushta wrote:
timmyd wrote:2K already has

Bosh (without dreadlocks, sadly).

Han roster has Bosh with dreadlocks.


He is correct, it does. That roster doesn't have the 05-06 Nets though, and I think he was looking to matchup those two teams. Also, that roster for the moment is only good for Play Now (With classic teams anyway).

I am going to try to work on this roster this week, life has been really busy with work and actual basketball (I had two basketball games yesterday, and I have one tonight). One of the leagues I am in is ending really soon, so that will free up more time.



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