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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:53 pm

skoadam wrote:One question.
Who made courts? Not who converted them. Im not sure about credits.


They used my roster as a base, so the court credit for the courts that were in my roster are on my page (I got permissions and gave full credit for everything I converted). Other than that, I don't know. If they are converting courts from the URB (which I did and have credit for), using the one texture court creator, that would make sense.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby skoadam on Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:08 pm

Dee4Three wrote:
skoadam wrote:One question.
Who made courts? Not who converted them. Im not sure about credits.


They used my roster as a base, so the court credit for the courts that were in my roster are on my page (I got permissions and gave full credit for everything I converted). Other than that, I don't know. If they are converting courts from the URB (which I did and have credit for), using the one texture court creator, that would make sense.

I see big difference between your credits + i see this here:
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:45 am

skoadam wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:
skoadam wrote:One question.
Who made courts? Not who converted them. Im not sure about credits.


They used my roster as a base, so the court credit for the courts that were in my roster are on my page (I got permissions and gave full credit for everything I converted). Other than that, I don't know. If they are converting courts from the URB (which I did and have credit for), using the one texture court creator, that would make sense.

I see big difference between your credits + i see this here:
Courts made by Iron Knight


I agree, if they are converting courts they should be giving credit. And I mean, if we are getting technical, it says "Portraits made by Laroche23 and Iron Knight", when I can guarantee they are using a lot of the portraits (we made over 170) that were made for my roster (My brother and I made them). And If they are saying "Courts made by" like you stated, it should be "Courts converted by Iron knight, Dee4Three, credits to the URB for the base". And, something so broad as credits to "Dee4Three (ultimate classic Roster used as a base)", does not really give credit to me for all the ratings/signatures/tendencies/attributes that they used as a base or as is for the roster in general.

I understand that because NBA 2K18 is out, this won't get a lot of attention, but I agree wholeheartedly with Sko about proper credits. I appreciate you stating that you used my roster as a base, but it was a whole lot more than a shell to start with. You guys did a lot of work, but make sure you give proper credits.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:14 pm

no problem @dee4three ,we will make sure to correct the credits on the first page, we tought by sayin that we use ur roster as a base, were mentioning enough ..(since a roster includes all works with cfs/courts /portraits etc.. involved ) ironknight did indeed created a lot of courts , and portraits (n ot all u made were included )

Just tell us, how u like us to put the credits and we will do it brother ..no issues at all ...

i am actually workin on a 8 year project, (called the Bulls Dynasty startin at the 1991 season, anyone interested helping ?
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:30 am

Laroche23, it's not up to me how you do the credits. You should know how to do those based on the work that was done to the roster. That includes if you converted courts from URB (Skos team), or used my portraits.

I did it as code and listed everybody that had any work in my roster, I didn't get any complaints about that. For example, Portraits has me and BigTicket0521 (my brother). Courts have numerous people including the URB teams.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby skoadam on Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:33 am

laroche23 wrote:) ironknight did indeed created a lot of courts

which one? point one
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:26 pm

skoadam wrote:
laroche23 wrote:) ironknight did indeed created a lot of courts

which one? point one


Pacers court created by Ironknight
Mavs court created by Ironknight
Bullets court creatwd by Ironknight (edited from dee4three)
Blazers court created by Ironknight
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:45 pm

laroche23 wrote:
skoadam wrote:
laroche23 wrote:) ironknight did indeed created a lot of courts

which one? point one


Pacers court created by Ironknight
Mavs court created by Ironknight
Bullets court creatwd by Ironknight
Blazers court created by Ironknight


You didn't use my already converted Bullets court that I released on here (mine was 96-97)? I converted that from the URB.

And he created those courts 100% from scratch?
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:53 am

.my bad I forgot to mention that he edited the bullets court

All other mentioned courts were created by Ironknight.(no conversion from UrB)

Honestly I kind of feel like we re being unfairly attacked ..we've been open and responsive to every critic,praise etc...the one thing before we decide to release the roster was to give the credits to all the people who contribued to this project and I feel like we did that ..maybe not to the liking of everyone ..but never once we took credit for something we've not done ...

Having said that I don't think it's worth the trouble to mention everything in all details...in the first page it's clearly mentioned that we use Dee4three roster as base (logically a roster includes courts /jerseys / players /and portraits) what else should we do ? I would understand if this remark had come earlier ..but Ist been nearly 4 months since it's been releases...and all of of sudden ..we did not give proper credits .is there a guideline to this ?if so we were not aware of this and we would apologize if it's indeed expected .

If not credits were given to everyones work we used or included ..I really hope it clears all things up ...

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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:43 am

laroche23 wrote:.my bad I forgot to mention that he edited the bullets court

All other mentioned courts were created by Ironknight.(no conversion from UrB)

Honestly I kind of feel like we re being unfairly attacked ..we've been open and responsive to every critic,praise etc...the one thing before we decide to release the roster was to give the credits to all the people who contribued to this project and I feel like we did that ..maybe not to the liking of everyone ..but never once we took credit for something we've not done ...

Having said that I don't think it's worth the trouble to mention everything in all details...in the first page it's clearly mentioned that we use Dee4three roster as base (logically a roster includes courts /jerseys / players /and portraits) what else should we do ? I would understand if this remark had come earlier ..but Ist been nearly 4 months since it's been releases...and all of of sudden ..we did not give proper credits .is there a guideline to this ?if so we were not aware of this and we would apologize if it's indeed expected .

If not credits were given to everyones work we used or included ..I really hope it clears all things up ...

Thanks a lot .


It's not suddenly getting on your case, I see where Sko is coming from and it reminded me to ask about the credits as well. So out of the 30 courts, three were made by Ironknight? Or were you just picking a few that he made?

Because "Courts created by Ironknight", when its only like 10-20% of the courts, is misleading. And I see why Sko is questioning it. That's why I did a coded list of all the people who contributed to different aspects of my roster. That way I didn't leave anybody out.

In regards to Portraits, I am guessing you used most or all the ones that I had for the teams that you kept in there or only slightly tweaked. And yes, those portraits take hundreds of hours of work combined (Takes over an hour to do 1 portrait). Thank you for mentioning my roster as a base.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:55 am

Dee4Three wrote:
laroche23 wrote:.my bad I forgot to mention that he edited the bullets court

All other mentioned courts were created by Ironknight.(no conversion from UrB)

Honestly I kind of feel like we re being unfairly attacked ..we've been open and responsive to every critic,praise etc...the one thing before we decide to release the roster was to give the credits to all the people who contribued to this project and I feel like we did that ..maybe not to the liking of everyone ..but never once we took credit for something we've not done ...

Having said that I don't think it's worth the trouble to mention everything in all details...in the first page it's clearly mentioned that we use Dee4three roster as base (logically a roster includes courts /jerseys / players /and portraits) what else should we do ? I would understand if this remark had come earlier ..but Ist been nearly 4 months since it's been releases...and all of of sudden ..we did not give proper credits .is there a guideline to this ?if so we were not aware of this and we would apologize if it's indeed expected .

If not credits were given to everyones work we used or included ..I really hope it clears all things up ...

Thanks a lot .


It's not suddenly getting on your case, I see where Sko is coming from and it reminded me to ask about the credits as well. So out of the 30 courts, three were made by Ironknight? Or were you just picking a few that he made?

Because "Courts created by Ironknight", when its only like 10-20% of the courts, is misleading. And I see why Sko is questioning it. That's why I did a coded list of all the people who contributed to different aspects of my roster. That way I didn't leave anybody out.

In regards to Portraits, I am guessing you used most or all the ones that I had for the teams that you kept in there or only slightly tweaked. And yes, those portraits take hundreds of hours of work combined (Takes over an hour to do 1 portrait). Thank you for mentioning my roster as a base.



Yes only the courts I mentioned are the ones made by Ironknight....
All other courts were from ur roster
Regarding the portaits I don't know if u be downloaded the last version of the roster ..I kept a few of the one u made ...myself and ironknight created a lot of the portaits also ....
Anyway ur roster was a huge help ...
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:47 am

laroche23 wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:
laroche23 wrote:.my bad I forgot to mention that he edited the bullets court

All other mentioned courts were created by Ironknight.(no conversion from UrB)

Honestly I kind of feel like we re being unfairly attacked ..we've been open and responsive to every critic,praise etc...the one thing before we decide to release the roster was to give the credits to all the people who contribued to this project and I feel like we did that ..maybe not to the liking of everyone ..but never once we took credit for something we've not done ...

Having said that I don't think it's worth the trouble to mention everything in all details...in the first page it's clearly mentioned that we use Dee4three roster as base (logically a roster includes courts /jerseys / players /and portraits) what else should we do ? I would understand if this remark had come earlier ..but Ist been nearly 4 months since it's been releases...and all of of sudden ..we did not give proper credits .is there a guideline to this ?if so we were not aware of this and we would apologize if it's indeed expected .

Remember, I went into CE and helped you with this roster. I wanted it to be released, Im not being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk. Just trying to give proper credits. You guys obviously put a lot of work into this.

If not credits were given to everyones work we used or included ..I really hope it clears all things up ...

Thanks a lot .


It's not suddenly getting on your case, I see where Sko is coming from and it reminded me to ask about the credits as well. So out of the 30 courts, three were made by Ironknight? Or were you just picking a few that he made?

Because "Courts created by Ironknight", when its only like 10-20% of the courts, is misleading. And I see why Sko is questioning it. That's why I did a coded list of all the people who contributed to different aspects of my roster. That way I didn't leave anybody out.

In regards to Portraits, I am guessing you used most or all the ones that I had for the teams that you kept in there or only slightly tweaked. And yes, those portraits take hundreds of hours of work combined (Takes over an hour to do 1 portrait). Thank you for mentioning my roster as a base.



Yes only the courts I mentioned are the ones made by Ironknight....
All other courts were from ur roster
Regarding the portaits I don't know if u be downloaded the last version of the roster ..I kept a few of the one u made ...myself and ironknight created a lot of the portaits also ....
Anyway ur roster was a huge help ...


So for the court credits, Im requesting that you put in "Courts made by Skoadam and the URB team, Converted by Dee4three". Courts also made by IronKnight.

That way, you are not stepping on Skos toes. "Courts made by Iron Knight", when its 3 out of the 30 in the roster, is not fair to the original creator of said courts (URB TEAM), and the converter of almost all of them (Me)

In regards to portraits, Ill go in and look to see how many were used from my roster. Not that I don't trust you, but "A few" is a very small number (Technically a few is 3). I am guessing its closer to 20 to 40, which also equals the amount of work it took to make each one (Including removing getty images). The only reason I am mentioning this, is because of the amount of work that went into them, and I don't want people thinking that IronKnight made all the portraits or courts (Clearly he did 3 to 4 courts out of 30),

"Portriats made by IronKnight" and "Courts made by IronKnight" is inaccurate and very misleading. That's what Sko and I are contesting.

Also, did he do the 76ers court? In your screenshots that's not mine, and it's not one that's in the game.


I want you to look at this, your credits below:

Credits (BIG SHOUTOUT TO THESE PEOPLE WHO HELPED US/ ALLOWED US TO USE THEIR WORK!)
Dee4Three (ultimate classic Roster used as a base )
PeacemanNot (Jerseys, CFs and a lot more stuff)
TGsoGood (Short file for the Short Shorts )
Caps inspired by Tgor/sellaz32/Laroche23
A big thanks for my Brother Iron Knight (who was commited from Start to finish /thanks for sharing my vision )
Jerseys made by Iron Knight and PeacemanNOT
Courts made by Iron Knight (3 or 4 out of 30, Credit the URB crew for the base courts, and Dee4Three for the conversions)
Custom presentation made by Iron Knight
Warmup jackets made by Iron Knight and PeacemanNOT
Soundtrack edited by Laroche23
Dornas made by Laroche23
Courts in game made by Laroche23 (What? You just said the courts were made by Iron Knight)
Portraits made by Laroche23 and Iron Knight (Not accurate, Portriats made by Iron knight, Laroche23, Dee4three and BigTicket0521)
NBA on NBC Pre-Game show logo edited by Iron Knight
NBA on NBC Scoreboard created by Bongo88 and edited by Iron Knight
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:59 am

Also, I am now actually quite annoyed, and would like IronKnight to come on here and say something.

LINK REMOVED BY DEE4THREE

At that link, there are NO credits. It says this:

The Best Roster Mod for One of the Best NBA Seasons.

NBA 1996 for NBA 2K17 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight


People who visit his site, and don't go on to NLSC, have NO IDEA the other people involved in this roster. That is extremely misleading and unfair to me, I spent thousands of hours on my roster, literally thousands. You used A LOT of my work, and the people who put work into my roster (Skos teams bases, PeacemanNot, etc). None of that is on the page.

Do you think it's fair to us to have his site not list us at all?

I'm really annoyed at the moment. Even Sticky-Fingers downloaded it and posted a comment on the screenshot thread that says:

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Unread postby sticky-fingers on Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:55 pm

Thanx, they did a great job mostly based on yours.



The way I look at it, the link I provided above make it look like you two did all the work for this roster. That site has NO LINK to the NLSC page here.

I consider that stolen credits, and I expect that to be fixed. Credits absolutely need to be on that site for the work that was done on this roster. PeacemanNot also put A LOT of work into things like Jerseys, some CF's, Cheat Engine, Jackets, etc. And he is not listed on that site at all, but a TON of his work is in the roster.

Laroche, you freaked out and needed my help with CE at one point, and I took the time to help you with CE aspects of the roster (Changing teams to current, changing all the arena names to be accurate). And, allowed you to use my roster as a base. That's how you guys repay me? By having a website dedicated to this roster with ZERO credits to the many people who worked on mine including myself, my brother, PeacemanNot, Sko's team, etc? "Created by Laroche23 and IronKnight"?

Fix this.

And WTF IS THIS

Download the files here: (Just click "Skip Ad" on the two advertisements (adfly and shortest). I'm really sorry for this, I think it will only take a minute of your time compared to the days we've spent on creating these. Also, it's just a way for us to earn at least a little bit from these, besides, these are free. I'll lessen the link when I get 500 downloads on any of the files)


Are you KIDDING me? Not only are you not giving credits, but you are bribing people by saying that if you get 500 downloads for "All the days spent" creating the roster, you will lesson the number of adfly links? So you are giving no credits for the base and ALL the other work done by the other people, but making some money (even if its a small amount) off of our work and even bribing to get more downloads?

My brother, who I love to death, spent a ton of time on the portraits you used in this roster. You are not only going to not give credit, but you are going to make money off of my brothers work? And bribe based on the work in this roster that he contributed to?

I don't think so, not for a second.


FIX THIS.


If it is not fixed, I am requesting that you remove all of my files from your roster. Every.single.one. That means the portraits you used, the courts, the ratings, the signatures, the tendencies, anything that you used from my roster. I would also expect that PeacemanNOT would want his files removed, considering you are not giving credits, while bribing for downloads and money on an alternate site. That would leave your roster pretty bare bones.

Also, because so many of my files are involved, I expect the 500 downloads comment to be removed from the site. That is not fair, as myself or my brother would NEVER have our work represented that way. EVER.


I have over 36,000 views on my youtube video for this roster, and between my 3 rosters I have over 10,000 downloads. Is that a ton? No. Did I bribe my way to views and downloads? NO. Do I not only give credits in my youtube video but also on NLSC, YES. Do all my videos have a link to NLSC where the credits are? YES. Did I take a PENNY for any of my work on my roster? NO. You should feel good about the downloads and views you get, not bribe in order to get them.

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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:39 am

alright guys, we need to calm down a little bit

Fair is, i will ask ironknight to reedit the first page and detailled all credits
second, i checked all portraits that are in the roster, there are exactly 21 portraits that i used from ur roster, we created 257 of them
about his site , i honestly never looked into it, ever.. since he was the one who was managing the files , i did expected him to do it, big mistake from my part..i apologize ..we´re no stealers by anymean, to be honest i dont even know how htis adflys ink etcc...work ...of course u ´re right ,it is very misleading.

I will ask him to edit the link from his site..
my apologies for this misunderstanding. but please dont act like it was a copy and paste, if u take a deep look into the 96 roster, u will realise that we did not really included a lot of the players from ur roster ... we put a lot of work into it...... just take a look .....from ur roster, there were a total of exactly 39 players that we use .

it will be all fixed , anything else ?
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:46 am

laroche23 wrote:alright guys, we need to calm down a little bit

Fair is, i will ask ironknight to reedit the first page and detailled all credits
second, i checked all portraits that are in the roster, there are exactly 21 portraits that i used from ur roster, we created 257 of them
about his site , i honestly never looked into it, ever.. since he was the one who was managing the files , i did expected him to do it, big mistake from my part..i apologize ..we´re no stealers by anymean, to be honest i dont even know how htis adflys ink etcc...work ...of course u ´re right ,it is very misleading.

I will ask him to edit the link from his site..
my apologies for this misunderstanding. but please dont act like it was a copy and paste, if u take a deep look into the 96 roster, u will realise that we did not really included a lot of the players from ur roster ... we put a lot of work into it...... just take a look .....from ur roster, there were a total of exactly 39 players that we use .

it will be all fixed , anything else ?


I never said it was a copy and paste, not once. But a lot of work was done by people not named you or IronKnight, and you know that. Even 21 portraits is a lot of work (Each one takes an hour or more if they were Getty Images). The courts take quite awhile to convert, and Im sure they took a long time to make (URB team) originally.

39 players from my roster is still a lot of work, each player I worked on took 30 minutes or more, even end of the bench guys. That is still work being done to the roster. Between the courts, the portraits, the players, the logos, PeacemanNot's work on the jerseys, Jackets, CE, my work on CE, ALL OF THAT adds up. All of it. That is A LOT of work not done by Iron Knight and Laroche23. That cannot be disputed.

You guys did put a lot of work into it, but a lot of work you used was made by other people as well.

I expect that 500 downloads comment to be removed. I do not support that at all, especially with my work in the roster. If that is not removed, and full credits are not giving on his page (Not just a link to NLSC), I expect all the files that were used from my roster to be removed.
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Postby laroche23 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:55 am

alright i just wanted to clarify that we indeed did not stealed or made a copy and paste, i ´ve worked also many hours into it, and i can totally understand where u ´re comin from.....

the comments will be removed and proper and full credits will be given...

i hope we can agree on this .-------------------

PS: once u will have time ,please take the time to appreciate the work that has been done, which of course included some of yours, THAT ROSTER WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT UR HELP, I AM FORERVER IN UR DEBT .
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:57 am

Okay, thank you.

And I do appreciate the work on the roster, trust me. What I don't appreciate is how the roster was presented without proper credits, and the bribing of people to get downloads and make money.

not once did I say it was a copy and paste, look back at all my comments. I never said that.
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Postby laroche23 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:00 am

Dee4Three wrote:Okay, thank you.

And I do appreciate the work on the roster, trust me. What I don't appreciate is how the roster was presented without proper credits, and the bribing of people to get downloads and make money.

not once did I say it was a copy and paste, look back at all my comments. I never said that.



fair point, i have nothing else to add...everythin i said will be done. as soon as Ironknight has the time to do it.
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Dee4Three wrote:Okay, thank you.

And I do appreciate the work on the roster, trust me. What I don't appreciate is how the roster was presented without proper credits, and the bribing of people to get downloads and make money.

not once did I say it was a copy and paste, look back at all my comments. I never said that.



fair point, i have nothing else to add...everythin i said will be done. as soon as Ironknight has the time to do it.


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And I am going to bring this up, because it was brought up like 5 times in his thread for 2K17.

Here is a quote

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Great job on these, but the process to be able to get them is horrible. You posted an ad-fly link on your facebook page from what I've seen. After you get past that, you get redirected to your website and you have to click another link. From there..there is an-adfly..inside an ad-fly..inside an other ad-fly...those are 3 in a row, 4 adfly links in total. It's a little bit desperate if you ask me. This time, I went ahead 'till the end just to see how far this stuff can go. Next time, I suggest you cut the process to a single ad-fly link if you want people to get your stuff and not give up half way through.


This is the type of stuff that I will not allow my mods to be a part of, period. Its along the same lines of "If I get 500 downloads, ill do less adfly links". So I will emphasize again, the 500 downloads comment is to be removed, as well as credits on that site. The credits should also be adjusted on this site.

That shit doesn't fly with me.

It's along the same lines as people getting pumped up for updated Thunder portraits (last years team), and having to go through 4 or 5 adfly links just to download them, and when getting them the legs and parts of the bodies are cut off. The portraits were not advertised that way, and ironKnight got his clicks for profit. The sad thing is, he clearly has some solid modding capabilities, but it's ruined by greed and deception.

None of that is cool with me. I want those changes done ASAP.
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Postby laroche23 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 am

Man I 've said numerous times ..that it will all get fixed and i've apologized on his behalf ..I 've reached out to him already he has promised to do everything as promised ..what else do u expect me to do ?
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Cool, thanks.
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i would like to give my 2 cents on this issue, not that i am bias, but i´ve been folowwing Laroche23 work since the xbox360 ..and one thing i´ve noticed he´s a man of integrity , and the way dee4three portrays him is also completely misleading, as if he stole all ur work , without ur consetment, i guess he did asked u b4 he started his roster.

on the first page, its clearly indicated that he used ur roster as a base, what else do u want ? everyone with an open mind, understands that a roster includes a lot of other things involved... had he not done it, u would have a point ..definetely..maybe the way he did it was not to ur liking ? then u should have said that from the beginning..but obviously u did not ....

its not that u ´re not right, let´s be clear here, its just the way u ´re portraying him is really unfair to him and Ironknight considering the amount of work they have done...its simply tremendous............... the assumption that he used all ur portraist withtout u verifying is also wrong, i ve downloaded the roster and the files my self ..it contains
over 200 portraits ( he used 21 of urs, that represent under 1 % ..i consider it a few )
he used 39 players from ur roster (with ur permission ) and they created over 200 CAPS , 200 !!!!! thats simply a lot , considering u hsve a lot of look a like on ur roster (not blaming at all , even tough some of them were simply wrong , at the top of my head u had Gary grant look a like , who is a black , as a half white / black Cf... that is simply wrong, and u used same CFS for different players etc...........example chris Morris and Voshon lenard ..just to name of few..)

i also consider it a few....

they created jerseys, some courts , nba on nbc theme etc,, custom presentation ,soundtracks etcc.......

i´ve never seen such a complete roster beside the URB, u guys act like u re the only ones who can modd ...

the other thing i agree whit u is that Ironknight should have detailled the credits on his site, thats is just wrong on his part..maybe they forgot..... i dont think they wanted to take
credit ..if Laroche23 says he did not knew. i believe him......

also the assumption , that if they removed ur stuffs, his roster would be bone naked. its just wrong , Ironknight clearly has modding skills, but they did not botther to create something that was there already ,like ur courts and PeacemanNOT jerseys....and i assume they got permission for that ...

I JUST THNIK THE WAY YOU PORTRAY THEM IS REALLY UNFAIR , the work they have done is amaztng to say the least, i a enjoying evry bit of bit , u guys did an amazing job (Y) (Y) (Y) (Y) (Y) :applaud: :applaud: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown2: :bowdown2:
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Postby Dee4Three on Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:27 am

Leanback wrote:i would like to give my 2 cents on this issue, not that i am bias, but i´ve been folowwing Laroche23 work since the xbox360 ..and one thing i´ve noticed he´s a man of integrity , and the way dee4three portrays him is also completely misleading, as if he stole all ur work , without ur consetment, i guess he did asked u b4 he started his roster.

on the first page, its clearly indicated that he used ur roster as a base, what else do u want ? everyone with an open mind, understands that a roster includes a lot of other things involved... had he not done it, u would have a point ..definetely..maybe the way he did it was not to ur liking ? then u should have said that from the beginning..but obviously u did not ....

its not that u ´re not right, let´s be clear here, its just the way u ´re portraying him is really unfair to him and Ironknight considering the amount of work they have done...its simply tremendous............... the assumption that he used all ur portraist withtout u verifying is also wrong, i ve downloaded the roster and the files my self ..it contains
over 200 portraits ( he used 21 of urs, that represent under 1 % ..i consider it a few )
he used 39 players from ur roster (with ur permission ) and they created over 200 CAPS , 200 !!!!! thats simply a lot , considering u hsve a lot of look a like on ur roster (not blaming at all , even tough some of them were simply wrong , at the top of my head u had Gary grant look a like , who is a black , as a half white / black Cf... that is simply wrong, and u used same CFS for different players etc...........example chris Morris and Voshon lenard ..just to name of few..)

i also consider it a few....

they created jerseys, some courts , nba on nbc theme etc,, custom presentation ,soundtracks etcc.......

i´ve never seen such a complete roster beside the URB, u guys act like u re the only ones who can modd ...

the other thing i agree whit u is that Ironknight should have detailled the credits on his site, thats is just wrong on his part..maybe they forgot..... i dont think they wanted to take
credit ..if Laroche23 says he did not knew. i believe him......

also the assumption , that if they removed ur stuffs, his roster would be bone naked. its just wrong , Ironknight clearly has modding skills, but they did not botther to create something that was there already ,like ur courts and PeacemanNOT jerseys....and i assume they got permission for that ...

I JUST THNIK THE WAY YOU PORTRAY THEM IS REALLY UNFAIR , the work they have done is amaztng to say the least, i a enjoying evry bit of bit , u guys did an amazing job (Y) (Y) (Y) (Y) (Y) :applaud: :applaud: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown2: :bowdown2:


Gary Grant was a black man, you didn't have the roster downloaded correctly (Files not placed properly in the modded folder). He has never been a white guy in the roster. Chris Morris and Voshon Leonard are also not the same guy, both are completely different faces, you again did not have the files installed properly. No faces are the same in the roster on any team, just like none of them are copy and paste ratings. No CAPS are in my roster because I wanted to use all faces that were in the game, I don't like the look of the CAPS (They don't look like real people to me, at all). A lot of my faces are minor edits by me of the face, and combo faces that make the player look similar to his real life counterpart. Don't come at me insulting MY WORK while trying to back them up. I didn't insult the work they did once, all I did was call out an obvious misrepresentation in the credits, and a site that not only doesn't give credits for all the work they used, but also bribes people for money.

Your percentages are wrong, 21 portraits, with them creating 200, is over 10%. Not 1%.

My roster had 18 new teams, plus all the classic teams filled. Without using any CAPS, I think I did a pretty damn good job. It took me thousands of hours, as even the bench players had close attention paid to them in regards to attributes, signatures, etc. Good on them for creating CAPS and being comfortable with that, It's just not the route I went.

Also, I DID give them permission. laroche will even tell you that him and I talked through PM, and I went on CE and updated all the city names for him and made all the teams current. I absolutely love that someone did a 95-96 roster, its freaking awesome. He will tell you that I supported him the whole way.

I said they had modding skills, IronKnight has lots of modding skills. Did you read my post? I didn't insult the quality of work AT ALL, not ONCE. I did however call out what needed to be called out, and rightly so. I would do it again the same way. I only made a comment about the Thunder Portraits (with no legs), because the portraits were misrepresented, and they were behind 4 or 5 adfly links, which showed a pattern of behavior by him.

Laroche23 admitted what they did wasn't right, and even stated IronKnight agreed and would update that site. So are you out of line, and coming at me makes no sense. I stand by what I said 100%, if my base was removed, and PeacemanNOTs jersey/jacket work, and the MANY courts they used that I converted, and those portraits that they would need to remake and the players they did use, the roster would look a hell of a lot different. That's why it's important to give credits to the people who helped with the work on a roster, and also why it's important to represent that work with the correct attitude, not placing multiple adfly links on the work, and bribing by saying "If I get 500 downloads I will lessen the amount of adfly links".

I stand by everything I said before, and props to Laroche23 and IronKnight for stating they would fix the problem. Me and them are straight, no issues.


FYI - Voshon Leonard is at 4:21 of this video. Chris Morris has a completely different CF.

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Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:42 am

lets pump the breaks guys..no need to argue...our roster would not have been possible without Dee4three.

We thank him for his contribution and respect and appreciate his work !!!!!!!!!! keep up the good work :)

@leanback , we appreciate ur comment, but still its not necessary criticizing someone else ´s work , to create a roster takes a lot of commitment and time .

@dee4three , thanks brother for everything, i repeat for everything...............................Ironknight is out of town , but as promised we will rectify asap
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Postby Dee4Three on Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:52 am

No worries, again. Thank you.

Sorry if I came at you a little hard, while I stand by my convictions, I could have Pm'd you first. So I will apologize for that.

I take a ton of pride in my roster, as you both should as well. These projects are not only time consuming, they are life consuming. My Fantasy Draft Roster and All Time Teams roster (With 100% portraits, zero CAPS and zero lookalikes) took SO MUCH TIME. My Draft roster, which also has no CAPS or lookalikes, added over 150 players to the roster, and the players are very accurate, and almost every single player in the roster has a portrait.

I refuse to let anybody insult the quality of my work, especially when they don't have it installed 100% correctly as it is. I never insulted your work, or IronKnights. You guys killed it, so he was completely out of line with that.

Leanback, have you even downloaded (Correctly, hopefully) my all time teams roster or draft roster? Do you have any clue how long these projects take when they are done right? Those rosters are COMPLETE. Those also took hundreds and hundreds of hours.

Laroche and IronKnight, good luck if you guys decide to create more seasons. I realized that I had about 13 teams (give or take a year on a couple) for 05-06, am considering a 05-06 Season roster.
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Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:56 am

it´s all fine with me brother ...u should take pride in ur work..i know first hand how much is involved..

We´re actually working on more retro seasons rosters (from 91-98 ) do u have some finished draft classes ?
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No draft classes, as I never got into the draft classes aspect.

Ill let you guys know if I move forward with a single season roster though, maybe we can collaborate.
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Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:40 am

that would be a honor. :bowdown2: :bowdown2: :bowdown2: :bowdown2: :bowdown2: :bowdown2:

.any updates on the edited bodies ?
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Postby Dee4Three on Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:05 am

Forgot all about that.

I'll be releasing an update to my roster once I add more teams (previews are on my thread). I've updated like 50-100 bodies, they will included in that updated.

It basically gets rid of the skinny body type entirely. Which is huge.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:17 am

Leanback wrote:i would like to give my 2 cents on this issue, not that i am bias, but i´ve been folowwing Laroche23 work since the xbox360 ..and one thing i´ve noticed he´s a man of integrity , and the way dee4three portrays him is also completely misleading, as if he stole all ur work , without ur consetment, i guess he did asked u b4 he started his roster.

on the first page, its clearly indicated that he used ur roster as a base, what else do u want ? everyone with an open mind, understands that a roster includes a lot of other things involved... had he not done it, u would have a point ..definetely..maybe the way he did it was not to ur liking ? then u should have said that from the beginning..but obviously u did not ....

its not that u ´re not right, let´s be clear here, its just the way u ´re portraying him is really unfair to him and Ironknight considering the amount of work they have done...its simply tremendous............... the assumption that he used all ur portraist withtout u verifying is also wrong, i ve downloaded the roster and the files my self ..it contains
over 200 portraits ( he used 21 of urs, that represent under 1 % ..i consider it a few )
he used 39 players from ur roster (with ur permission ) and they created over 200 CAPS , 200 !!!!! thats simply a lot , considering u hsve a lot of look a like on ur roster (not blaming at all , even tough some of them were simply wrong , at the top of my head u had Gary grant look a like , who is a black , as a half white / black Cf... that is simply wrong, and u used same CFS for different players etc...........example chris Morris and Voshon lenard ..just to name of few..)

i also consider it a few....

they created jerseys, some courts , nba on nbc theme etc,, custom presentation ,soundtracks etcc.......

i´ve never seen such a complete roster beside the URB, u guys act like u re the only ones who can modd ...

the other thing i agree whit u is that Ironknight should have detailled the credits on his site, thats is just wrong on his part..maybe they forgot..... i dont think they wanted to take
credit ..if Laroche23 says he did not knew. i believe him......

also the assumption , that if they removed ur stuffs, his roster would be bone naked. its just wrong , Ironknight clearly has modding skills, but they did not botther to create something that was there already ,like ur courts and PeacemanNOT jerseys....and i assume they got permission for that ...

I JUST THNIK THE WAY YOU PORTRAY THEM IS REALLY UNFAIR , the work they have done is amaztng to say the least, i a enjoying evry bit of bit , u guys did an amazing job (Y) (Y) (Y) (Y) (Y) :applaud: :applaud: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown2: :bowdown2:


So, this is interesting...

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The issues with permission and appropriate credits is bad enough, but it looked like that was being sorted out to everyone's satisfaction. Using a sock puppet account to defend the practice and attack other people, though? Second accounts are against the rules as it is, but that's pretty low. That's not how we do things in our community.
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Postby Dee4Three on Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:34 pm

Laroche, you should be ashamed of yourself. I gave you a few hours to respond before saying something.

Something seemed off about LeanBacks post, not only were things made up about my roster, but the post seemed intentionally out of control. So I messaged Andrew and asked him if it was from the same IP address as you, turns out my suspicions were right. How dare you? You pretend to be a nice guy and a "peacemaker", at the same time attacking me with a phony account pretending to be someone else? What kind of person are you?

I want you to wrap your selfish brain around that for a moment. You made comments like you would be honored to work with me, and the roster wouldn't be possible without me, and at the same time switching to a fake account to pump yourself up, support yourself, and attack me.... you are literally somebody that I will never work with on here, and I would have NOTHING to do with you in real life. What you pulled is pure scum, you are scum for that move. And, here is the best part. You thought you were outsmarting me the whole time, but I was on to you, and Andrew confirmed that. Creating duplicate accounts is against the rules, you should be banned. But, lets take a look at that for a second.

This is what you pulled on page 2 with your fake account:

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So you switched to your fake account, to support yourself, and get someone else banned for what you called stolen work. When in reality, you were also breaking the rules with a duplicate account and should have been banned... hmmm.. not so smart are you? Not only that, you used the fake account to pressure Andrew into a ban, Im sure that himself and the other moderators don't take that lightly. And stolen works? you mean like a site that says the roster was 100% created by you and IronKnight, with no credits for all the other work done on the roster (Not even the base)? Are you that selfish and stupid? I want you to think about that for a moment before you go on reading......



We have established that you and IronKnight have a site that gives no credit to the others involved in the roster, we have established that you created a fake account to attack me and make things up about my roster and to pump yourself up and make yourself look good, that you got someone banned by using that fake account to push Andrew in the direction of banning, you didn't give adequate credit on the first page of this thread, you played good cop bad cop against me with the fake account, and that you (or ironknight, or both) bribe people by stating if you get 500 downloads, you will lessen the amount of adfly links. Did I miss anything in regards to the amount of bullshit, selfish, scum crap that you pulled?

So lets backpedal a bit here. I now have zero respect for this project, absolutely ZERO. I want all of my files removed from the project. This includes the 20+ portraits you used, all the converted courts you used, the logos you used, and the players you used. I am sure Sko would 100% agree about those courts, because he would never work with the likes of you. in regards to PeacemanNOTs work, I consider him a stand up guy as well, and I would expect that he would want all of his work removed from this roster as well, but he is his own person and can make his own decisions regarding that. So that is up to him. I expect those files to be removed ASAP, and the roster taken down until you have all of your own work in it. If thats not done and you just disappear, I can guarantee nobody will ever want to work with you again on anything. Unfortunately, I can't undo the cheat engine stuff i did for you, If i could, I would.


To give everybody an idea how much Laroche is a shithead for what he pulled here, look at the messages I have received from him asking questions for help (This isnt even all of them)

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So you want to ask me for help a ton of times, and ask me questions on how to do things, and use my roster as a base (And a lot of the files in it), but you treat me like that? What type of person does that? You repay me by creating an account to attack me and make things up about my work, and to pump yourself up, and to not give me credits, thats how you repay me? Anybody that works with you is an idiot. And, I am highly suspicious of IronKnight, as his page is the one without any credits, and asking for 500 downloads to lower adfly links. I would not work with either of you, ever.

Take my files out immediately, and take the roster down if any of them are still in there. You can put it back up once they are removed. I don't care if you give credits now, I don't work with people like you, and I won't allow my work to be used by people like you.

So no fixing it now. And you should be ashamed of yourself, and Ironknight should as well because of how he represented the work on his site. I hope a lot of other people see this and refuse to work with you guys. Thats really low.
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Postby skoadam on Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:40 pm

Laroche did the same with 2k13 or/and 2k14. I dont remember which roster he stole but im almost sure it was Med or Albys. Im too old for this, i recognize fake modders rly quick. Sometimes ban is not enough...
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Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:09 pm

skoadam wrote:Laroche did the same with 2k13 or/and 2k14. I dont remember which roster he stole but im almost sure it was Med or Albys. Im too old for this, i recognize fake modders rly quick. Sometimes ban is not enough...



this is interesting @skodam..what are u talkin about ? i never made a roster on 2k13 or 14 on PC, this is the first time doing it on PC, b4 u make accusations ..be sure what u re talkin about about ? do u have proofs ? this is getting ridiculous .....
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Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:19 pm

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so now i am a scum bag,piece of shit etc.... just because i share the same ip adress with 2000 other students ? i know a thing or two about Ip , and i don´t know which tools Andrew has to identify people , we have an IT administrator and if u want he can confirm u everythin i said (just PM me ) i live in a student community and we all share the same IP adress (Germany ) ..i have no control about someone else activities ....its a shame it has turned to this .... @Dee4three u did not bothered asking me privately ? how can be 100 % sure about this ? we will remove ur stuffs ..no problem at all. my conscience is clean,since i know i ve done nothing wrong...
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Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:29 pm

@ Andrew, as i´ve said, our IT administrator would confirm (with permission) would confirm that all students share the same IP adress...
i don´t appreciate the way i´ve been insulted and treated so far... the one and only time i id was @mr Paolo, because he clearly was not willing to respect the rules.

even criminals deserve the benefit of the doubt..this is just unfair to me ..same IP doesnt necessarly means same person... u should know better .
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Postby Andrew on Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:57 pm

Well, I suppose when you've run a site as long as I have, you do tend to get a little cynical. After all, you've heard every excuse in the book. It is true that if you're on a school network, or use a friend or sibling's PC, there will be IP matches. That's certainly not unheard of, and it complicates things.

What is less common, however, is for two completely different people to use the exact same email handle, just at a different domain name.

[REDACTED IMAGES SHOWING IDENTICAL EMAIL HANDLES ON DIFFERENT DOMAINS FOR EACH ACCOUNT]

It is possible, I suppose, but the odds that those people would also happen to be at the same school are rather low, to say nothing of them then also coming to the same website, and the newer account signing up and joining in the conversation the same date as an incident that the first person wanted me to act on (November 15th). They also don't tend to use an identical writing style in their posts. With that many coincidences, I think any network administrator would say the same thing: that's a sock puppet account.

With all that in mind, it's tough to give the benefit of the doubt. I'd really much rather have an honest answer.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:09 pm

for ur information , Nkossi (last name ) is a common name for people who come from the Democratic republic of Congo, which i am from.... we have other students that goes by the same name, don´t expect me to say something different from the truth..


i am congolese citizen (who studies and lives in Germany ) as well as other africans folks in a student network .... what more proofs do u guys want ? i dont have to share details about my private life, i certainly don´t appreciate ,my private email adresse to be seen by everyone, it violates my rights ....

there are many people who visit this website, without being registered..nu can definetelay check that .. maybe this guy on that day felt the need to say something ?

i stand by what i said... can u please mask my private email adress? thanks
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Andrew on Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 pm

And I certainly don't appreciate being taken for a fool and blatantly lied to.

It's a common name, fair enough. However, you're asking me to believe that two people with not only the same surname but also the same first initial, going to the same school at the same time, with a virtually identical email address, happened to go to the same website and get involved in the same discussion, with the second person just happening to register on the same day that an incident that upset the first person occurred. That is far too many coincidences to be plausible.

You certainly don't have to share any details about your private life. And I certainly don't have to believe the story you're trying to sell me, when there's overwhelming evidence to the contrary that cannot be explained except to say that it's all a huge coincidence. I've heard it all before.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:42 pm

what benefits do i get from it ? seriously ? yes it´s a huge coincidence ...i ´ve seen it all.. u re based on coincidences , but no real proofs ......do u want me to ID the guy ? would u believe me then ? i will sent u a PM with his ID(and his permission ) if u like ..should i see him

i expect an apology once it´s all cleared up.

For my own safety, (reasons that i can not elaborate in public) i am beggin u to mask my private email adress....
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Andrew on Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:50 pm

What you can expect is to be banned if you don't fess up and tell the truth.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:01 pm

i rather be banned , then telling lies ..no problem at all, u can ban me and close the thread .

* my only last question to u is ; are u 100 % sure i am not tellin the truth? i ve been a member on this forum since 2014, never ever had i been accused of something , after being noticed by Dee4three , we apologise and were ready to fix all issues, because of some huge coincidences regarding another user.. i am being ashamed and insulted and have to put my own safety into risk , ALL BECAUSE OF HUGE COINCIDENCES which i can´t explain .......i really dont c bseide the credits thing , what i have done wrong ..

but i wont say admit anything that i havent done , i am a man of faith and my credibility and integrity has been put into question ,because of a coincidence , no actuall evidences ..but just coincidences...

since u´re the administrator , u re in ur rights to ban me if u feel like it ...
i won´t contes it , i wont insult anyone . even if i feel my personal rights were violated .

Truthfully .

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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Andrew on Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:07 pm

So be it. I'll redact the images for privacy's sake, but if you're not going to fess up, then I guess there's nothing more to discuss.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:19 pm

Ironknight and i agree on it, can u shut down the thread..since theres no need for it anymore.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby PeacemanNOT on Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:11 pm

So what exactly is going to happen to this mod that you've pieced together after this thread is shut down? Will it remain on moddingway and other various websites so you can force ad.fly links on people? I noticed some of my work in used in here... I think I did give permission for you to use it but in no way did I say you could cover it in ad.fly links. It such as scummy practice... I do use ad.fly links with my own mods but I only use one and even then I give people the opportunity to get past them with an ad blocker.

Also the whole account thing is mind blowing to me, but it's already been discussed so I won't dwell on it. All I have to say is that I no longer give you permission to use my work, whether it's with jerseys/courts/cyberfaces etc.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:16 pm

everything will be shut down, big misunderstandig !
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:54 pm

Laroche, you will not get an apology, you are full of shit.

Same IP address, almost identical emails? There's a reason LeanBack only has 3 posts, and he hasn't replied to my comment. You are a liar, plain and simple.

The fact that you are denying the obvious is really sad. You have a lot of learning to do in life.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:55 am

laroche23 wrote:what benefits do i get from it ? seriously ? yes it´s a huge coincidence ...i ´ve seen it all.. u re based on coincidences , but no real proofs ......do u want me to ID the guy ? would u believe me then ? i will sent u a PM with his ID(and his permission ) if u like ..should i see him

i expect an apology once it´s all cleared up.

For my own safety, (reasons that i can not elaborate in public) i am beggin u to mask my private email adress....



What benefits do you get? You get to make it look like you are being supported when you are really not (This most recent case, only LeanBack name came to your defense). It allows you to insult someone, and at the same time finesse them to look like the good guy. It allows you to have two people with the same stance in regards to a situation like banning Mr Palo, it allows you to make it look like you have been followed a respected since the XBOX360 days (Your comment using LeanBack), making you look respected when you are not.

Want any other reasons?

Are you this stubborn and dense? You literally got caught red handed with the double accounts (IDENTICAL email addresses), and the same IP Address. Give up, admit it, and move on. You will feel a lot better about yourself once you come clean. Everybody who reads this thread knows you created a second account to attack me and support yourself, it's literally black and white.

In regards to Sko and Albys roster or Meds, your first post was on Apr 2nd 2014, which was the height of NBA 2K14 for the PC. You stated on the UBR thread that you got a new PC specifically for that mod. So you were playing NBA 2K14 for the PC, and you were using the mods. So, I am not ruling out that you have pulled this type of stuff before, and I would take Skos word over yours because he has never steered me wrong.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:11 am

Also, one more thing.

This is in regards to IronKnight.

Through this entire ordeal, he has not said a word. You said he has been "away" for the week, but he's still been communicating with you with a computer. I can guarantee you he has access to the NLSC, so my only assumption could be that he hasn't decided to come on here at all because he doesn't want to be part of it.

IronKnight, it's your site (BlogSpot) that gives no credits, that's your words about the 500 downloads, you are the one who created that page that really set things off here. It's really insulting for you to just not comment, when this is clearly your thread (You started this thread). You should be on here apologizing, taking the links down, and removing that tab from your BlogSpot until its all you and Laroche's work. At the moment, you are not better than Laroche because you literally are just saying nothing.

You are clearly a talented modder, you have put up some solid work. But that means absolutely nothing if you don't give appropriate credits, use others work to get compensation, and basically disappear when there is conflict.
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Re: NBA 1996 by Laroche23 and Iron Knight RELEASED

Postby laroche23 on Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:45 am

Dee4Three wrote:
laroche23 wrote:what benefits do i get from it ? seriously ? yes it´s a huge coincidence ...i ´ve seen it all.. u re based on coincidences , but no real proofs ......do u want me to ID the guy ? would u believe me then ? i will sent u a PM with his ID(and his permission ) if u like ..should i see him

i expect an apology once it´s all cleared up.

For my own safety, (reasons that i can not elaborate in public) i am beggin u to mask my private email adress....



What benefits do you get? i dont need any support ,to create a fake account just for someone to back me up ? ridiculous..chek the thread there was one or two other guys who were also defending me ..or did i created those also?

Are you this stubborn and dense? You literally got caught red handed with the double accounts (IDENTICAL email addresses), and the same IP Address. NOT true, ask Andrew (he has since removed the images because i felt my privacy was in danger ) this is what happens, when u have a common name and just folks form ur country livin in the same network ( we both have the identical surname and first name (i think his also starts with G)

In regards to Sko and Albys roster or Meds, your first post was on Apr 2nd 2014, which was the height of NBA 2K14 for the PC. You stated on the UBR thread that you got a new PC specifically for that mod. So you were playing NBA 2K14 for the PC, and you were using the mods. Yes BUT i NEVER published any rosters on PC (nlsc) u can check everywhere ..this is just a lie from Skos (who i actually don´t even know)

the rosters i usually posted where on consoles, check all pages if u like , u wont see any complaints (this is all i could find, check the pages and comments if u like )

https://forums.operationsports.com/foru ... class.html

https://forums.operationsports.com/foru ... plete.html

https://forums.operationsports.com/foru ... e-who.html



this is the last time i am adressing this matter, this is not a life or a job,..its just a hobby... i guess the thread is still open and so people will still attack me , because of coincidences that were overwhelming in their eyes... no problems ...keep ahead .. i know the truth and this is what actually counts, regarding Ironknight i communicate privately with him, he´s aware and he will adress the problem..i am done with all of this , its just such a shame . we were working on great projects (OWN CREATED STUFFS) which i tought people would have appreciated ...whatever man @dee4three if u don´t believe me ....that´s life ....i still won´t insult or disrespect u..

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