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NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:53 am

Hi all,

I have all NBA 2K games dating back to NBA 2K11 on my PC, and I often go back and play the games prior to NBA 2K15. One of the biggest things I notice going from last gen to next gen, is the atmosphere. NBA 2K11 through NBA 2k14 had amazing crowd atmosphere, good court chatter, etc. The Crowd reacted to things more realistically. I find myself immersed in the game, with the crowd actually pumping me up as the home team, and when playing against the CPU, wanting to score so it would shut them up.

In NBA 2K17 for example, the crowd just seems completely dead with the exception of the last couple minutes of a close game. In fact, often times if you are playing, and you look into the crowd, you will basically see no movement whatsoever. The player chatter is barely noticeable, the crowd doesn't support it's home team unless its the last 2 minutes of a close game. The "DEFENSE" chants are off, half the time they sound like high school boys with a ton of testosterone chanting loudly with no other noise around them, or the "Defense Chants" will continue even when the possession changes, and it will go on for awhile.

I believe this deserves it's own discussion thread. Because the atmosphere is a major part of the game, have you guys noticed this? NBA 2k9 was an amazing experience, and had great atmosphere. So again, we are talking about 2k going backwards in this regard. I hope to get this discussion going, so maybe the 2K devs can see our frustration with the atmosphere, and do something about it.

Look at the atmosphere is this 2k9 video

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And my 2k12 highlight video

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Re: NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby bluejaybrandon on Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:17 pm

To be fair, I think those videos are over the top. If you're at a real NBA game there's very few people constantly standing and waving their hands/some sort of towel around for the entirety of the game. In reality there's a lot of older fans sitting and cheering. The place only gets crazy when there's a massive dunk, huge block, or big time shot. Don't get me wrong, I certainly think 2k17 is lacking but it''s not necessarily always a rowdy crowd. I think they would do good to add more of an in-arena announcer. Each stadium has one and he's usually starting the "DEFENSE" chants or telling fans to get on their feet. A more dynamic in-arena announcer and reactionary crowd would go a long way for immersion.

Edit: I didn't listen to the videos and only watched. After listening, there are certainly some audible reactions to dunks that would be nice to have in the next-gen. Crowds actually get noticably louder and excited for massive dunks. That being said the constant murmur of the crowd is too loud, in my opinion. There needs to be a healhty balance between that level and the non-existent levels in 2k17.
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Re: NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:23 pm

bluejaybrandon wrote:To be fair, I think those videos are over the top. If you're at a real NBA game there's very few people constantly standing and waving their hands/some sort of towel around for the entirety of the game. In reality there's a lot of older fans sitting and cheering. The place only gets crazy when there's a massive dunk, huge block, or big time shot. Don't get me wrong, I certainly think 2k17 is lacking but it''s not necessarily always a rowdy crowd. I think they would do good to add more of an in-arena announcer. Each stadium has one and he's usually starting the "DEFENSE" chants or telling fans to get on their feet. A more dynamic in-arena announcer and reactionary crowd would go a long way for immersion.


Totally agree, it's a bit over the top. But I prefer that over the atmosphere of today's games. But, I will say, many Arenas are pretty loud throughout the game, I also think the PA Announcer could be a bit louder, as well as the crowd when a basket is scored or a play does happen.
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Re: NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby TGsoGood on Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:16 pm

The first thing I noticed in 2K9 is that almost the entire stadium is on their feet and the score is 0 to 0.
I remember it being in 2K10. I even remember some people complained about this specific thing.

The 2K12 video seems a little better but it still seems a little exaggerated for the opening minutes of a game that has nothing on the line.

I can't really compare these to 2K17 because honestly I've never listened to the crowd. Almost always I turn the sound off for 2K17 and just play youtube, podcasts,and music in the background.
One thing I can say is it would be nice see a fans jaw drop because of a crazy poster slam or something. But no big deal for me. I remember growing up playing NBA Live and just hating how ugly the crowd was, I'm just glad we are at the point were the crowd actually looks like people and not 2d cutouts.
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Re: NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:43 am

TGsoGood wrote:The first thing I noticed in 2K9 is that almost the entire stadium is on their feet and the score is 0 to 0.
I remember it being in 2K10. I even remember some people complained about this specific thing.

The 2K12 video seems a little better but it still seems a little exaggerated for the opening minutes of a game that has nothing on the line.

I can't really compare these to 2K17 because honestly I've never listened to the crowd. Almost always I turn the sound off for 2K17 and just play youtube, podcasts,and music in the background.
One thing I can say is it would be nice see a fans jaw drop because of a crazy poster slam or something. But no big deal for me. I remember growing up playing NBA Live and just hating how ugly the crowd was, I'm just glad we are at the point were the crowd actually looks like people and not 2d cutouts.


I agree.

I would like to see a middle ground for the atmosphere. Something in between what they have now, and what they had before.

Like I said, they don't seem to be in the game at all until the final couple minutes.
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Re: NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby timmyd on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:16 am

Well, I agree with you on the points. The NBA 2k15 - NBA 2k17 games have some issue's with their in-game arena sounds. Sometimes after clutch baskets, you have the crowd not cheer at all. I've seen the crowd get up and physically cheer, but no sound to match.

Also, 2K has lost it's common sense when it comes to the actual crowd. I find their crowd to be really unrealistic. They used to have amazing crowds in NHL 2k and old NBA 2k's. You would see people walking up and down the isle as well as walking in their rows. Not everyone is always Seated. Also, you used to see a mix between casual dressed, professional dressed and team merchandised dressed fans.

One other point that NBA 2k has lacked, even on full/high settings on PC or even just slapping the game on xbox1. The around the court stuff is lacking. You don't see many Camera guys under the hoop. You don't see team staff members sitting behind the bench. I feel that NBA 2k should have generic looking guys rocking the team polo shirts sitting behind the bench as well as additional assistant coaches. Guy's that you can't fire or sign during MyLeague but are just placed there to give you that FULLNESS. The Arena's now feel way too empty, the teams seem lonely lol.

Also the tunnel, there isn't any additional characters or arena staff members there. You just see two coaches and 12-13 players walking into the tunnel etc.

Pre - Game, you don't see camera crews on the court, instead you see like 10 players in total just doing a shoot around.
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Re: NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:21 am

I agree with all of that.

Another thing I noticed playing the other night, I would listen to the crowd (at points where they were cheering), getting louder, and I would looking into the crowd and there was no movement, none at all. So we have cheering crowd sound effects, but no movement?

Just doesn't make sense.
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Re: NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby timmyd on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:29 am

Dee4Three wrote:I agree with all of that.

Another thing I noticed playing the other night, I would listen to the crowd (at points where they were cheering), getting louder, and I would looking into the crowd and there was no movement, none at all. So we have cheering crowd sound effects, but no movement?

Just doesn't make sense.



haha that one is the worst! I'd rather have them get up and cheer but with no sound, at least it looks more pleasant hahaha
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Re: NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby timmyd on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:31 am

Also Dee.

Do you remember the atmoshpere NBA Live 2010 had? When Mike Wang left 2k and went over to EA? The crowd at the ACC in Toronto would literally BOO each time Vince Carter on the Magic would touch the ball. Just like in real life. Those guy's also gave you an option to select the atmosphere + court you want in just a simple play now mode.
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Re: NBA 2K17 - Do you find the atmosphere lacking?

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:56 pm

Yeah, that's amazing authenticity. The atmosphere is so important... in my opinion, thats where Live is still pretty solid. I feel 2k really needs to enhance that part of the game for 2k18.
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