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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Sun May 09, 2010 9:05 am

benji wrote:Is that season eight or the non-canon comics that were published while the show was still on?


didnt realize they were non canon but the ones that were published while the show was going. And an adaptation of joss's original screenplay
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Sun May 09, 2010 9:10 am

IIRC, they're only canon to the point where the show does not contradict them. It's a two-tier canon.

First tier: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel and Season Eight/Five.
Second tier: The video games, novels and comics published during the run of the shows.

Counterexamples would be Star Wars, where everything is canon, and Star Trek where only the shows/films are canon.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:11 am

Read Marvel Civl War over the past week or so: Marvel Verse sure is a clusterfuck nowadays.

Got me back into Spidey though so picked up back in black story arc

Also, got some of The Mask comics. sorta underwhelmed by them.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:07 pm

I've decided that Civil War is terrible. It spawns all over the damn place and basically makes no sense as it wanders off in these random directions. It doesn't really explain anything either. The sides people choose are basically random and nobodies motives seem sincere in anyway and they could flip at anytime. Planet Hulk and World War Hulk that ran at the same time and shortly after are infinitely better. They actually make Civil War better, as does everything else after Civil War because actually comes to explain things.

Actually haven't read much lately. Blackest Night (meh) was the last thing.

Oh, and The Losers. Which was awesome. Movie bombed but Ebert liked it so maybe I'll see if it's anywhere near as good as the comic when it comes out on DVD.

Still got massive backlog. Not even caught up on The Walking Dead which I had been doing despite reading nothing else.

Should use this summer to clean it out.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby shadowgrin on Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:56 pm

benji wrote:I've decided that Civil War is terrible. It spawns all over the damn place and basically makes no sense as it wanders off in these random directions. It doesn't really explain anything either. The sides people choose are basically random and nobodies motives seem sincere in anyway and they could flip at anytime.

It took you to finish the arc to know that?
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:22 am

No, that's standard Marvel crossovers. I read Civil War a while ago (see earlier in the thread) but every-time it comes up these days and I think about it I just realize it's not bad, it's terrible.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:00 pm

Yeah i liked it when i was reading it but benji's right about civil war...there wasnt much logic behind the chosen sides and the like.

Been reading Scott Pilgrim series...its...interesting and i haven't really decided if i like it or not yet.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:55 pm

Should read Planet/World War Hulk which happens during and IMMEDIATELY after Civil War. What Hulk went through is so much more than all the people in Civil War did. Then he comes back and takes it out on them.

Fuck, I need to start reading comics again. Such a backlog.

Like video games and...well, I cleared out TV mostly. Finally.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:49 am

Just finished Planet Hulk, Good shit. Awesome shit to be exact.

On to World War Hulk/Hulk aftersmash.

Honestly, after Civil War, I'm pretty much ready for everyone but Spidey to get their heads smashed.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Jeffx on Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:41 am

Oznogrd wrote:Just finished Planet Hulk, Good shit. Awesome shit to be exact.

On to World War Hulk/Hulk aftersmash.

Honestly, after Civil War, I'm pretty much ready for everyone but Spidey to get their heads smashed.


Damn, you got a ways to go(Secret Invasion, Siege, Fall of the Hulks). We finally find out who the Red Hulk is(I won't spoil it for you).
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Its_asdf on Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:37 am

Bump for great justice.

Anyone read Irredeemable and or Incorruptible? Irredeemable is great, but Incorruptible is kind of the lame spin-off in order to milk a fairly good premise from Irredeemable.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:37 pm

finished scott pilgrim. Got better as it went on. Comic isnt as good as movie though.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:23 am

Bumpage because i didnt want to make a new thread. Deadpool movie script is leaked. Wont post it here since im not sure how leaked scripts fit in the rules, but so far its pretty funny and very much what Deadpool should be.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:40 am

got back into reading some lately

Death: High Cost of Living
Not a bad little spinoff the Sandman arc. Read it while girl was sleeping one day (she owns it)

Top Ten
Was pretty great, havent gotten to the spinoffs yet but this is a series i was disappointed to finish

Deadpool: Merc With a Mouth
Most disappointing thing i've read in a long time.

Lucifer
Got back into after a bit just as good as I remember. Will finish sometime over thanksgiving possibly
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:06 pm

Actually read some stuff recently:
Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol
Red
American Century
Y, The Last Man

All pretty good to great.
American Century is so fucking stupid and "edgy" (and probably has an Author Avatar) it's great. Even has a shitty out of place ending to boot.
Y, the Last Man ends with a dud too. But the ride to get there was more than worth it.
The Doom Patrol run ends like anything by Grant Morrison and like anything he does runs the gambit from awesome to wtf.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:55 pm

So finally got into Buffy Season 8, through about issue 28: good stuff, wish it would hurry up and finish though.

Finished Joker's Asylum a couple of days ago. Not great but, good enough stuff. I think my favorite was Killer Croc's.

Got 3 weeks off from school so there may be a good bit of time to read some stuff coming up. Still need to read sin city, rest of Lucifer, some Moore, Seaguy, The Losers, and other stuff i have d/led. May delete the marvel stuff I have since its been so disappointing lately
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:22 am

Bumping this again. About 5 books into Sin City. I must not get it. Not that I'm not enjoying them but i dont understand why these are supposedly "greatest comics evar" Maybe i'm biased against frank miller.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:44 am

Frank Miller sucks. Sin City sucks.

There's a reason people write so much about his new stuff, and it's entirely based around mocking him.

There's also a reason there hasn't been a second Sin City film. Related to this.

If someone says they like Frank Miller ask them what their three favorites are, if they say "Year One" and "The Dark Knight Returns" you're fine. IF they name 300, you then have to ask them to name a top five. If they can name anything else, they have instantly failed and you must prevent them from spreading into the populace.

Read Seaguy and The Losers. Even if there's better stuff you've got you can bang those out easily and get rid of them. I like them, but even if you don't at least they're out of the way.

The Losers is a better series than a film. Wanted I could at least see as a film even if it failed, The Losers? No chance.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby shadowgrin on Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:28 am

benji wrote:If someone says they like Frank Miller ask them what their three favorites are

Ronin and TDKR. The unfinished All Star Batman and Robin for the lulz.


benji wrote:There's also a reason there hasn't been a second Sin City film. Related to this.
In October 2010, Rodriguez stated that his plan is to start working on Sin City 2 after the completion of Spy Kids 4. He also mentioned that the character Hartigan (Bruce Willis) could potentially reappear in the sequel. He also stated that there is a possibility that the “Hell & Back” storyline from Miller’s original books could show up in Sin City 2.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:04 am

Well just finished seaguy slave of mickey eye...cant find the first one anywhere, oh well. Wasnt bad despite a lot of "what the fuck is going on?" for the first ish. I like Chubby da Choona though.

Edit:
Also finished Sin City. Hell and Back and That Yellow Bastard are the only two storylines worth anything at all, and thats possibly just because they look good compared to the other shit in the series.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:30 am

In October 2010, Rodriguez stated that his plan is to start working on Sin City 2 after the completion of Spy Kids 4

He said the same thing before Spy Kids 3 and Grindhouse I think.

Last I knew Rodriguez and everyone else in the world didn't want to shoot them in one order and instead do it like the first film and Miller refuses to do it in any other way than hardcore lockstep with what he wrote. And casting has to be a real clusterfuck. And it's Miller with the veto on the entire thing. Based on how, as you note, he can't put out All-Star Batman even though THE ENTIRE SERIES was supposed to end years ago with All-Star Superman, by the time they shoot Sin City 2 it'll probably be fifteen years from now. And All-Star failed so bad they're rebooting it with a plan to put out six issues this year, something that DC has to know is not going to happen when Miller AND Jim Lee are involved, since All-Star only did ten issues over four years. And they're keeping the continuity and calling it Dark Knight: Boy Wonder. And Miller claims it'll finish the story. Even though there is no story, there is no finish and barely a start, and he wasted four books half a decade ago on driving back to the Batcave. It's the goddamn greatest and worst comic of all time.

Frank Miller did a bunch of stuff in the 1980s that nobody else had yet. And while it wasn't all even that good (I'd argue Year One and Daredevil are the only good things he actually did, The Dark Knight Returns is mediocre) it set this standard that justified the existence of Rob Liefield and Todd McFarlane even though nobody wanted either. And it raised a bunch of other fools. So now we live in a situation where Miller either has to overstyle (everything post TDKR), self-parody (the brilliant All-Star Batman and Robin) or issue absolute trash no sane person can justify (The Dark Knight Strikes Again, The Spirit). Where the adaption of his seminal self-created work is carried by people not him. Where a book he wrote with about 15 minutes of content got stretched into a two plus hour film and was also overstylized and exaggerated to capture the book properly in the course of appending the greatest failure of a subplot in modern times.

And he wrote RoboCop 3. And his RoboCop 2 script was somehow worse than the one that was filmed, and despite this someone paid him to adapt it to a comic series.

The sane Frank Miller went out with Reagan.

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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:31 am

benji wrote:
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Thanks man. Read it. Nice little series as strange as it is.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:03 pm

Finished The Losers

was a little disappointed in the "twins" aspect of max...was hoping for something more epic. Ah well.

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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:34 am

read some updated Deadpool

Wade Wilson's War under the "marvel knights" imprint was awesome.

Also got every ish of amazing spiderman from #1 to like 620 or something. Fuck Stan Lee is a wordy bastard. Cant wait till he leaves the series.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:38 pm

I see I didn't say The Losers has a flaw. I apologize for not warning of the dud. Although that is hard to do without ruining the rest since you're always expecting the dud then.

Speaking of duds.

Read Y, the Last Man.

Fantastic, with a dud ending but maybe only because of the way it is compressed. And there's a...well...most people seem to like it but I hated it.

With bile.

There's a reason The Walking Dead will forever be both maddening and brilliant.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:57 am

copied from /co/

Initiative = Everyone is an Avenger
Secret Invasion = Everyone is a Skrull
World War Hulks = Everyone is the Hulk
Fear Itself = Everyone is Thor
Infested = Everyone is Spider Man

marvel needs some new fucking ideas...this spidey infested arc just makes me want to stop reading ongoing comics all together. I dont so much mind limited stuff with a more set plan (sandman/preacher) for example.

But Spideys, Spideys Everywhere
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:26 am

Just started Transmetropolitan...had anyone recommended earlier in the thread? because dear god so far it's awesome. Right up my alley with the heavy futuristic dystopia and Hunter Thompson influence.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:55 am

I said it was on my to read list a couple times. Never got to it.

Haven't read comics in a long while really, wasting time on too much other crap when I have such glorious things waiting for me.

I really need to get back to it.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Sun May 08, 2011 2:18 am

FREE FUCKING COMIC BOOK DAY IN THE STATES!! DO IT NOW!
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby shadowgrin on Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:42 pm

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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:00 pm

Thought i posted this yesterday but never got around to it.

Read the Ultimate Universe from issue #1 through ultimatum over the past couple months. Pleasantly surprised by how good they were. Towards the end they started to be off and Ultimatum was pretty terrible.

Started Y The Last Man. Having trouble sticking to it.

Intend to restart fables and try to finish through the issues i have right now.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby deihatein on Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:35 am

Is someone here reading the latest Spiderman comics?
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:40 pm

dei. wrote:Is someone here reading the latest Spiderman comics?


Honestly once i get to One More Day i'll probly be done with spidey for a long time. No interest in the spider island arc.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby J@3 on Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:01 pm

I read Old Man Logan the other day, it was awesome. I downloaded the Civil War series, the torrent has it in chronological order with all of the different comics the storyline features in (not just the Civil War ones) so hopefully it'll make more sense. Will have to check it out when I can be bothered reading 700 comic books.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Its_asdf on Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:01 pm

Civil War is decent. Could have been written a bit better since the idea itself is pretty interesting....

But watching superheroes kick the crap out of each other sure is pretty good.

Does anyone know if DareDevil is any good again after the whole Matt Murdock got possessed by some demon bull shit?
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:03 am

Its_asdf wrote:Civil War is decent. Could have been written a bit better since the idea itself is pretty interesting....

But watching superheroes kick the crap out of each other sure is pretty good.



Right but the sides were arbitrary. You need actual character motivation and sensible actions to make the event hit home and feel real. It just felt ilke a giant clusterfuck they had to retcon their way out of (which they did didnt they?)

Been reading Geoff Johns Green Lantern run leading up to sinestro corps and intend to read blackest night and brightest day. Good stuff so far. Although i thought secret origins kinda sucked so im not surprised no one liked the movie
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:44 am

Finally took benji's advice (which i should've done long ago, think i'd learn) and read War Games. Now im using the images im gonna post to work through other Bat history.

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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Its_asdf on Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:49 pm

I loved Batman Hush. I like Batman but I've never really checked out some of the older story arcs like Knightfall. I'll be sure to check it out!
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:32 am

Got through No Man's Land

one of the best events ive ever read. Then again im used to marvel events so thats not saying much
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby shadowgrin on Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:26 am

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http://www.alanguilan.com/sanpablo/elmer/about.html

ELMER is a window into an alternate Earth where chickens have suddenly acquired the intelligence and consciousness of humans, where they consider themselves a race no different from whites, browns or blacks, and push to recognize rights for themselves as the newest members of the human race.

ELMER tells the story of a family of chickens who live and struggle to survive in a suddenly complicated, dangerous and yet beautiful world.

You can take the story seriously if not you can just laugh at the absurdity of it. Either way I enjoyed it.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:28 am

So me and shadow talked a bit about Fables and I came back in here to find that Snow White image I posted back in the day, and well, seeing it broken and fixing it led me to skimming through the thread. Realized I had been so neglecting comics over the last few months.

Specifically this:
Got through No Man's Land

one of the best events ive ever read.

And probably the best you'll read. When it comes to the standard superheroes. Batman's the only character you could even dare write a story like that with and have it work. You start doing stuff with other characters and you get into powers and cosmic crap and etc.

No Man's Land allows Batman to "win" but slowly, in a long slog, that makes him rely on others, and doesn't come for free.

I read Preacher finally months ago and...

There is so much I hate but so much I love at the same time.

I hate the entire plot, the story, it's disjointed and seems to have no clue what it is doing.

The individual parts, the smaller arcs, are all very well done.

How do I bring together the fact he has this amazing skill and powers and can fleet all over the planet at whim storming compounds and yet also need to hide and take down time and re-learn, with his friends also bouncing all over the place. And things are entirely realistic but wait they're totally magical but check this out it's all realistic including the nuke but wait. And like it's all gods plan but until wait I forgot what I was writing are there like angels and shit? No no no, demons, DEMONS, wait, no ANGELS. And like Jesus and shit. Oh fuck it, let's hug it out, bitch.

Oh, and that's his mom.

And that other chick, she's a Nazi.

I dunno, I'm rambling off of memory a bit down the road.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:45 pm

sounded about right as much as i loved Preacher lol. Odds are at my older and wiser age i wouldnt love it as much as first reading

Been reading some old school x-men and needed a break so I started reading "The Authority". Was disappointed when ellis left ,but damn that series is fun.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Mon May 14, 2012 1:48 am

Cosmic Marvel Run starting with Thanos mini-series has been good to great so far.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby shadowgrin on Mon May 14, 2012 2:33 am

Thanos stories has always been good considering I don't like stories involving 'space' that much in comics.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Mon May 14, 2012 4:00 am

shadowgrin wrote:Thanos stories has always been good considering I don't like stories involving 'space' that much in comics.


I don't usually but these guys use a lot more character than "SPAAAAAAAAACE" from what i've read so far. Rocket Raccoon alone is enough reason to check it out.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby deihatein on Wed May 16, 2012 8:36 pm

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Is this the order that I should follow if I want to follow the Batman mythos?

Also if I don't want to follow that, what is the good Batman or any Spidey comic you will recommend if I'm going to buy one?
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Wed May 16, 2012 10:31 pm

Yeah I'd follow that order to follow the batman mythos but its not that necessary to go in order if you know the basics. This does give you a great sense of the different robins and some side bat family characters though..

As far as spidey goes...I'd honestly start with the Ultimate line at #1. Its slightly different from "classic" spidey like AMS but i found the early issues of AMS to be absolutely brutal reading. I only read them due to love of the character. Another thing you could do: apparently there's a spiderman season 1 thats supposed to retell Spideys origin and stuff. Avoid "One More Day" like the plague in my opinion. If you're just looking for a random plotline i enjoyed the back in black story arc (but it does lead into one more day)
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby benji on Wed May 16, 2012 11:02 pm

A Lonely Place of Dying should be marked, it's not a great story but it's the introduction of Tim Drake and starts an important arc.

It's also using the trade names, Knightfall goes into Knightquest and Knightsend (which are chopped up and I think in the third trade) and will make no sense later if you don't read those with it.

I know they aren't great but Contagion and Legacy I think are proper openers to No Man's Land, and Cataclysm is a must because it's hardly long and is actually the first chapter of No Man's Land.

The trades for NML are also missing about 10% of the plot.

I liked Murderer and Fugitive even if it is too long because of how it ties into Cassandra's arc and then also sets up the awesome Checkmate reboot.

Identity Crisis only mildly ties into Batman but is one of the best DC stories.

We've already talked about War Games/Crimes and Under the Hood is the follow-up to Hush. (Which gets another follow up later.)

I think the image predates Morrison taking over, but Face the Face, Batman and Son, RIP, etc. all come from his era and end in Final Crisis which reboots Batman until the DC reboot, was discussed earlier in the thread how that works out.

For Infinite Crisis, the relevant and awesome Batman story is The OMAC Project, which has more to do with JLA Batman than Batman Batman and is the direct sequel to Murderer/Fugitive and leads to Checkmate.

Speaking of Greg Rucka, there's the set in Gotham, barely involving Batman, but fantastic award winning Gotham Central. Which really should be a must for anyone that likes Batman. (Rucka's run on Wonder Woman is also great stuff from what I read for Infinite Crisis.)

There's also some great stuff in Legends of the Dark Knight and Batman Confidential, like "Prey", that flesh out the time period between Year One/Long Halloween and everything else.
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby Oznogrd on Thu May 17, 2012 8:03 am

^ can we make this post into an easy to understand image?
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Re: Comics Thread?

Postby shadowgrin on Thu May 17, 2012 8:17 am

:lol:

Silly Oz. You don't have legs, not retarded like other people in the NLSC, which means you can read just fine.
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