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Postby dada on Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:20 am

Decided to make one of these to throw general football news in which isnt transfer related, thinking more down the lines of league results, disputes and such when the season starts. If it seems redundant a mad can remove it if need be.


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Materazzi: Gives his side of story

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Marco Materazzi has admitted insulting Zinedine Zidane in the World Cup final but denies referring to terrorism or the France captain's mother.



Italy defender Materazzi was the victim of a vicious Zidane headbutt that led to the French talisman being sent off during extra-time in Sunday night's showpiece in Berlin.

There have been several theories as to what Materazzi actually said to bring about Zidane's amazing reaction.

But the former Everton man told Gazzetta Dello Sport he definitely did not call the French skipper a terrorist, and claims he did not insult the midfielder's mother either.

Materazzi said: "I held Zidane's shirt for a few seconds. He turned to me, looked at me from top to bottom with utmost arrogance and said: 'If you really want my shirt, I'll give it to you afterwards'. I answered him with an insult.

"It was the type of insult that we've heard before so many times on the pitch, and sometimes we don't even notice it.

"What's sure is that I never called him a terrorist: I am not cultured and I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is. My sole terrorist is her...," added the 32-year-old, pointing at his sleeping 10-month-old daughter.

"I certainly did not talk about Zidane's mother. For me, mothers are sacred," he added.


At least we hear it from one guys mouth, would love to hear it coming from Zidane's and not his agent's.

skysports.com wrote:Juve appoint Deschamps

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Juventus have named Didier Deschamps as their new coach.

Deschamps replaces Fabio Capello at Stadio Delle Alpi after he stepped down to take over at Real Madrid last week.

The World Cup winner is highly-regarded at Juve after a successful playing career in Turin.

The former Monaco boss has signed a two-year deal with the Bianconeri.

Deschamps revealed last month that he was willing to join Juventus even if they are relegated as punishment for their part in an investigation into match-fixing.

Deschamps has been out of work since September 2005 after leaving Monaco and he will be given the task of leading Juve back to Serie A if, as expected, they are demoted.
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Postby Joe' on Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:15 am

Materazzi's an asshole! I don't believe any word he says. When he broke the nose/lip of that Atalanta/Siena/Messina (uhm...yeah, I don't which team it is) he said he didn't do it too, so I don't think anyone has to believe his words.
Anyways...Didier Deschamps to Juve?? Fuck Yeahhh!!!!
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Postby Dro on Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:26 am

My sole terrorist is her...," added the 32-year-old, pointing at his sleeping 10-month-old daughter.


What? He called his daughter a terrorist :?:
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Postby Joe' on Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:49 am

Yes...:shake: Indeed, he isn't just ignorant...he's stupid.
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Postby dada on Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:00 am

Fifa says Zidane could be stripped of award

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MILAN, Italy (AP) -- FIFA president Sepp Blatter says Zinedine Zidane could be stripped of his Golden Ball award for the best player at the World Cup due to violent conduct.

"The winner of the award is not decided by FIFA, but by an international commission of journalists," Blatter said in Wednesday's La Repubblica. "That said, FIFA's executive committee has the right, and the duty, to intervene when faced with behavior contrary to the ethic of the sport."

Zidane head-butted Italy defender Marco Materazzi in the chest after the two exchanged words on the field in extra time of Sunday's World Cup final. He was sent off and Italy won its fourth title on penalties.

FIFA's disciplinary committee opened an inquiry Tuesday into Zidane's behavior. World soccer's governing body has declined to say whether Materazzi's conduct is also being investigated.

Zidane was awarded the Golden Ball on Monday -- ahead of Italy's Fabio Cannavaro and Andrea Pirlo -- but the ballot box was open until after the end of the final, making it unclear how many votes were cast before or after the incident.

Blatter said he was "very hurt" by Zidane's violent reaction and that "to see him act like that made me feel bad, for him and for fair play."

"I was told that at the end of the game the French federation executives asked Zidane to go and receive his medal, and he replied that he didn't deserve any medal," Blatter added.

Zidane, who won the World Cup in 1998, had said he would retire after the tournament.

Materazzi has admitted he insulted Zidane, but denies calling him a "terrorist."

"I did insult him, it's true," Materazzi said in Tuesday's Gazzetta dello Sport. "But I categorically did not call him a terrorist. I'm not cultured and I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is.

"I held his shirt for a few seconds only, then he turned round and spoke to me, sneering," the Italy defender said. "He looked me up and down, arrogantly and said: 'If you really want my shirt, I'll give it to you afterwards."'

The 32-year-old Inter Milan player did not elaborate exactly on what he said to Zidane.

"It was one of those insults you're told tens of times and that always fly around the pitch," he said.

Media reports, based on interpretations by lip-readers, have suggested that Materazzi called Zidane a terrorist or insulted his mother or sister. Materazzi denies these claims, too.

"For me, the mother is sacred, you know that," Materazzi told the newspaper.
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Postby Dro on Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:03 am

"I was told that at the end of the game the French federation executives asked Zidane to go and receive his medal, and he replied that he didn't deserve any medal," Blatter added.


If that's true, he obviously regrets what he did. Give him the fucking award!


In related news, Zidane is expected to tell his side of the story on a French show today.
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Postby Jing on Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:13 am

good. we need to hear zidane's side... btw nmaterazzi is a lying bastard, however zidane hasnt always been clean either...
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Postby Srbija on Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:39 am

Ah, sweet. A Football thread. :)

If you havn't heard, Predrag Mijatovic is the new Real Madrid Sporting Director.
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Postby Silas on Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:15 am

Man when they told him to go get his medal he should have. If he would have went out there and like shook Matterazzi's hand or something then gotten the medal, imagine the ovation from that. Besides, it would have made the whole situation less disgraceful.
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Postby dada on Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:05 am

Srbija wrote:Ah, sweet. A Football thread. :)

If you havn't heard, Predrag Mijatovic is the new Real Madrid Sporting Director.


Yeah I have known for a while. He's always mentioned when they talk about proposed transfers. He's supposedly working on the Cesc thing but waiiting on Liverpool to come around.
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Postby dada on Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:13 am

Zidane Breaks Silence

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Zinedine Zidane has elaborated on the chain of events which led to his attack on Marco Materazzi during the World Cup final.

The midfield genius brought the curtain down on one of the world's great careers when seeing red for a headbutt on Materazzi.

Numerous reports have commented on what led Zidane to launch his attack on the Italian defender and the France star has claimed Materazzi insulted both his mother and his sister.

"He (Materazzi) pronounced very tough words about my mother and my sister. I tried not to listen to him but he kept repeating them," Zidane told in a live interview on French television channel Canal Plus.


Zidane had kept his own counsel on Sunday's events prior to his interview on French television and he has apologised for his actions - but still feels Materazzi was the guilty party.

"I apologise to all the children who watched the match on Sunday," he stated.

More to follow


I'll post more as it comes out.
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Postby Keo on Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:33 am

Glad to see him finally talk, and be a class act. Materazzi is such a liar. :lol:
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Postby Dro on Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:07 am

For those who havent heard:

Italy coach Lippi resigns

By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer
July 12, 2006

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ROME (AP) -- Italy coach Marcello Lippi resigned Wednesday, three days after guiding the Azzurri to their fourth World Cup title.

Despite widespread calls for him to stay, Lippi suggested weeks ago that he would resign. He feels he and his son, Davide, were attacked personally in the corruption scandal that has tainted Italian soccer.

"At the end of an extraordinary professional and human experience, experienced as the head of an exceptional group of players ... I believe my role is over as the guide of the Italian national team," Lippi said in a statement.

While he is not under investigation, Lippi was questioned by prosecutors before the World Cup about alleged pressure he received to select certain players for Italy's national team. Davide Lippi is under investigation for his work at player agency GEA World.

"I will continue to coach," Lippi said without elaborating.




Klinsmann steps down as Germany coach

By NESHA STARCEVIC, AP Sports Writer
July 12, 2006

FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) -- Juergen Klinsmann, who coached Germany to a third-place finish at the World Cup, stepped down Wednesday and was replaced by his assistant, Joachim Loew.

Klinsmann told reporters he was leaving to spend more time with his California-based family.

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"I feel burned out," said a tearful Klinsmann, adding that he would take a six-month vacation. "I have a great wish to be back with my family and my children."


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Postby Joe' on Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:22 am

I've just heard about Lippi on TV. He re-signed just because they won the World Cup.
I think that he would have left his spot of Head Coach if Italy wouldn't have won the World Cup. (Please correct my grammar :lol: )
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Postby dada on Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:39 am

He achieved what he came to do so he steps down being a hero I suppose. Time for the next coach to leave his mark.

Not many coaches these days coach the same team in consecutive World Cup's though.
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Postby Drex on Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:38 am

Media reports, based on interpretations by lip-readers, have suggested that Materazzi called Zidane a terrorist or insulted his mother or sister. Materazzi denies these claims, too.

"For me, the mother is sacred, you know that," Materazzi told the newspaper.

"He (Materazzi) pronounced very tough words about my mother and my sister. I tried not to listen to him but he kept repeating them," Zidane told in a live interview on French television channel Canal Plus.

Materazzi's such a bastard :lol:

I'm kinda dissapointed that Klinsmann resigned. People in Germany were kinda happy with him as coach. I've read that the USA is looking to get him.
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Postby dada on Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:57 pm

Heres a nice little read on what Zidane said.


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Zidane's legacy is his elegant game, not a vicious exit


The French singer Jean-Louis Murat summed up Zinédine Zidane like this: "Nobody knows if Zidane is an angel or a demon ... He smiles like Saint Teresa and grimaces like a serial killer."

Murat is a huge Zizou fan and there is a fair dose of truth in those words. His genius has always had a dark side, as evidenced by the 14 red cards he collected in his career. The last month showed him at his best -- when, as one paper put it, he was the only "Brazilian" on the pitch when France played Brazil -- and at his worst, when he head-butted Marco Materazzi in the World Cup final.

His final public appearance, Wednesday night, could have offered some degree of redemption, but, instead, it was more darkness than light.

Zidane said Materazzi provoked him by insulting his mother and sister. And he said that while he apologized to the "children" who had witnessed the incident (but, bizarrely, nobody else who might not have enjoyed seeing a grown man assault another adult) he had no regrets and would do it all over again.

"I tell myself that if things happened this way, it's because somewhere up there it was decided that way," he added.

That last part was perhaps the most absurd. Blaming God -- or whatever deity you believe in -- for your actions borders on the demented. Whatever your religion, one thing they all share is that there is a degree of free will, that God gives you the power to make your own decisions. The "God wanted it that way" defense (and it's not-so-distant cousin the "God made me do it" defense) is particularly hard to swallow.

Beyond that, discovering that Materazzi had "only" insulted Zidane's mother and sister was a bit of a letdown. Anybody who has played any kind of competitive team sport at any level (with the possible exception of volleyball and polo) will have heard a fair amount of trash talking.

It's ugly, sure. It's childish, absolutely. But most people do not snap and head-butt opponents when their mother is insulted, particularly when that insult occurs in the private sphere of two men at close quarters on a soccer pitch.

The fact that Zidane did not elaborate on the nature of the insult only adds to the confusion. What horrible thing could Materazzi have said that would prompt such a reaction in a normal person?

The answer is ... nothing. Insults of that nature hurt the most when they come from someone who actually knows you (or your mother). Materazzi has never met Zidane's mother or his sister. He only knows Zidane as an opponent. And, if he did insult either one, most would have taken it and responded in kind.

Of course, the whole matter of whether Materazzi even insulted Mrs. Zidane is open to debate. The Inter defender denies it in the strongest terms: though he admits to insulting the French captain, albeit in a way which is common in sporting arenas everywhere. Who you believe on this point is a matter of personal choice. I've known Materazzi for eight years, I know that his mother died when he was 15, there is no doubt in my mind that, when it comes to mothers, he treads very carefully. But then, maybe I'm biased, because I know and like Materazzi.




Materazzi pleas his innocence

Marco Materazzi has issued his own statement about the infamous Zinedine Zidane headbutt.

The Italy defender was the victim of Zidane's violent attack in the dying stages of the World Cup final and he has not emerged unblemished, with speculation rife about what he must have said to provoke such an extreme response.

Numerous different versions have been reported in the media, while the Frenchman has finally broken his silence about the night's events.

Zidane has claimed that Materazzi "pronounced very tough words about my mother and my sister" but the Internazionale defender has again pleaded his innocence.

"I didn't mention anything about religion, politics or racism," said Materazzi.

"I didn't insult his mother. I lost my mother when I was 15 years old and still get emotional when I talk about it.

"Naturally, I didn't know that his mother was in hospital but I wish her all the best.

"Zidane is my hero and I have always admired him a lot."

Fifa have launched an official investigation into the dramatic episode.
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Postby Jing on Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:24 pm

i dunno really what to think watching espn's broadcast of what he said, he really didnt say too much and they didnt look too much into it, he basically said that materazzi dissed his mom, children... however. i totally agree with what it was said that its just a really quick, uncontrollable reaction that came over zidane. Ive encountered this many times where i've just attacked right at an insult... still goddamn. what was "truely" said must have been really extreme
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Postby Keo on Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:30 pm

What a bastard, "Zidane is my hero and I have always admired him a lot". And he's still denying that he insulted his mother and sister. My B.S. meter is going off.
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Postby #12 on Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:53 pm

errr i found a transcript of zidane's interview today
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Postby Srbija on Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:30 pm

Nice read.

Materazzi is the biggest bullshitter in football, I hope FIFA fine him.
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Postby Jugs on Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:47 pm

Materazzi is like one of those illiterate euro's who insult patchmakers that don't release the Euroleague patch straight away.
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Postby dada on Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:12 pm

So Materazzi is a liar because Zidane says he did it? Its really funny how Zidane still has everyone wrapped around his fingers. I cant just sit and say Materazzi is a lying bastard because Zidane may be also. For sure somebody is lying but its just one guy's word to the other. Materazzi has always pleaded the same story and there has been alot of fabrication on the other side. What ever happened to the "terrorist', where did that come from? Whatever the source, just because you hate Italy doesnt make the guy guilty. Zidane is just doing what he has to do to get everyone on his side again.
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Postby [Q] on Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:24 pm

That headbutt by Zidane was awesome. What pissed me off the most was that the head official missed it, and wasn't going to card him at first. but then replays were shown at the stadium and the assistants felt pressured to say that they caught it as well.
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Postby Srbija on Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:33 pm

dadamafia, Why else would Zidane headbutt him ? Zidane has never done anything of this sort in his entire professional career and in the last.. what, 10 minutes of his career? He does this.
Materazzi definately said something very nasty, because Zidane has copped shit on the field, but for him to headbutt Materazzi it must've been very bad (I'm thinking it was about his mother & sister)
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Postby KIG1 on Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:35 pm

Zidane stomped on somebody in the 98 cup though. Still it doesn't seem like he would do such a thing.
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Postby dada on Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:49 pm

Srbija wrote:dadamafia, Why else would Zidane headbutt him ? Zidane has never done anything of this sort in his entire professional career and in the last.. what, 10 minutes of his career? He does this.
Materazzi definately said something very nasty, because Zidane has copped shit on the field, but for him to headbutt Materazzi it must've been very bad (I'm thinking it was about his mother & sister)


I know something mean was said but I am just not sure what. Both guys are saying something different but people are acting like just because Zidane says something goes a certain way it has to be true. I see no reason to put Zidane's word over Materazzi's just because of how great he plays. I mean, just look at it, who is the one deflecting blame and not conceding the fact they were wrong regardless?
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Postby Joe' on Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:33 am

I rather believe Zidane than Materazzi...because Materazzi demonstrated in previous episodes (I'm tired of saying this but i.e. when he broke the nose/lip of the Siena player) that he's not an attendable person.
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Postby Dro on Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:04 am

dadamafia wrote:So Materazzi is a liar because Zidane says he did it? Its really funny how Zidane still has everyone wrapped around his fingers. I cant just sit and say Materazzi is a lying bastard because Zidane may be also. For sure somebody is lying but its just one guy's word to the other. Materazzi has always pleaded the same story and there has been alot of fabrication on the other side. What ever happened to the "terrorist', where did that come from? Whatever the source, just because you hate Italy doesnt make the guy guilty. Zidane is just doing what he has to do to get everyone on his side again.


The whole terrorist thing came from the media, who hired lip-readers to try to find out what Materazzi said.
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Postby dada on Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:17 am

Joe. wrote:I rather believe Zidane than Materazzi...because Materazzi demonstrated in previous episodes (I'm tired of saying this but i.e. when he broke the nose/lip of the Siena player) that he's not an attendable person.


Ok Materazzi did that and you are right. (y)
Zidane is squeaky clean compared to Materazzi.


Zidane:

1998- stomped on that Saudi player named Fuad Amin in the World Cup and got red.

2001- head-butted Jochen Kientz in a Champions League match and got red.

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Zidane's Penchant For The Ridiculous Red In the light of Zidane's head-butt, Goal.com recalls some of the previous occasions when the legend saw red along similar lines.
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A true footballing legend, it seems Zidane has always had a penchant for red cards, particularly over incidents off the ball.

Here are a few which immediately spring to mind.

World Cup 1998 (vs. Saudi Arabia)
(Stamping)

What better place to start than the competition that made him!

It was a first round match against minnows Saudi Arabia, which could be why it faded from memory sooner than this one will. Besides, he was hardly the icon that he is now.

The act itself was an incident which took place off the ball, as he retaliated in anger by stamping on Saudi skipper Fuad Amin.

He was immediately sent of by the referee, with twenty minutes left on the clock, and subsequently handed a two match suspension.

However, unlike this time, that was a match France won at a canter. Also unlike this time, he would get a chance to redeem himself.

And the redemption couldn't have been better, with some fabulous displays to guide France to their first World Cup, including a brace in the 3-0 win over Brazil in the final.

However, not all in the Saudi Arabia camp were happy with the regulation two match suspension that he had received, for the very deliberate stamp.

Champions League 2000-01 (vs. Deportivo and vs. Hamburg)
(Head-butting)

He had just won the European Championships with France that summer, and was one of the favourites to win the World Player of the Year award again, after 1998. Indeed, one of the toasts of world football!

However, September and October saw him pick up consecutive red cards for Juventus in the Champions League, either side of the suspension. The second one, against Hamburg in October, becomes particularly relevant now.

Zidane got a direct red, for another incident which had little to do with the ball. His offence? A head-butt on Jochen Keintz!

So outrageously violent was the head-butt, that he was immediately handed a five match ban by Uefa. Incidentally, it was also his tenth career red card.

That, after he had only just returned from suspension following his ninth, picked up against Deportivo la Coruna, in the same competition a month earlier

He went on to win the World Player of the Year award just a couple of month later, while still suspended from Champions League action for his club, in what received heavy criticism from certain quarters.

Copa del Rey 2003-04 (vs. Sevilla)
(Slapping)

In February 2004, Sevilla came to El Bernabeu for the second leg of the 'Cup' semi-final, with Real Madrid favourites thanks to a 2-0 win in the first leg.

However, Zidane lost his head following a challenge and slapped Sevilla defender Pablo Alfaro smack in the face. He was duly sent off, and Real Madrid seemed to be all at sea, as Sevilla had already scored once.

But the visitors also had Javi Navarro sent off, and Real somehow managed to restrict them to a 1-0 win, thereby qualifying for the final on aggregate.

Primera Liga 2003-04 (vs. Deportivo)
(Kicking)

Deportivo certainly seem to know how to get the worst out of Zidane. It was May, with the League title on the line. Valencia had just pushed Real Madrid into second place by a solitary point, and with four matches left, there was everything to play for. A win was absolutely crucial to keep the pressure on Valencia, who were to play Real Betis the next day.

Real had only recently lost the Copa del Rey final to Zaragoza, and the Champions League semi-final to Juventus, as Carlos Quieroz's dreams of a treble had come crashing down. The League was their only chance to save face, as they headed to the Riazor.

Deportivo took the lead much against the run of play through a precise Diego Tristan strike, from their first real attack in thirty minutes. Zidane was growing particularly flustered with some of his tussles with Djalminha, and picked up an unnecessary yellow before the break.

He seemed to come out fired up for the second half. Unfortunately, it was all misdirected into a merciless chop on Djalminha, with no chance at the ball, barely four minutes into the half.

Real were left to make do with ten men, in one of their most crucial games of the season, and were sent home with a 2-0 mauling.

Valencia won the next day to get a four point lead, while Real Madrid collapsed under the defeat, eventually finishing fourth, after failing to pick up even a single point from the final three games.

Verdict

There is no doubting that 'Zizou' has been one of the best players to ever step onto the pitch. World Cup, European Championship, Champions League, domestic titles in Spain and Italy, and individual accolades say it all.

But all that said, he has let his temper run away from him a little too often, with around 20 career red cards, and quite a few very ugly ones. Two direct red cards in World Cups, not due to rash tackles, or unintentional elbows, but cynical retaliatory gestures, tell their own story.

His performances with the ball have helped push those moments of indiscretion into oblivion ever so often. Which is why this one could linger for a while!

And football is most defenitely worse for it, no matter whom you support!



We should investigate into what they said to him because he is so important and should not be held responsible for his actions? One should be chastised for what they say but not what they do?

I am in no way saying Zidane is to blame but the way people are treating Materazzi is unfair. Do you really believe it is so necessary for FIFA to be investigating into an issue where one guy told the other about their mum (if that is even true)? Wow, this is the first time anyone has ever done that on the pitch, I'm sure guys like Wayne Rooney has never said anything mean to anyone before. :roll:


Everybody needs to take a chill break and stop eating feces out of Zidane's palms. The guy was wrong too, point blank. Zidane being more so because he resorted to violence. Again, both are wrong, not solely Materazzi.
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Postby sdude on Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:57 am

something for barca fans. Next season jersey:

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Postby dada on Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:04 am

This too supposedly. (y)
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Hers Real Madrid's for good measure.
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Postby Joe' on Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:17 am

dadamafia wrote:Zidane:

1998- stomped on that Saudi player named Fuad Amin in the World Cup and got red.

2001- head-butted Jochen Kientz in a Champions League match and got red.


It would take like 4 hours to list all the "red card" (the red card was never showed to Materazzi since we have a shitty/corrupt referee system here in Italy) faults by Materazzi, but I really want to show you how Materazzi actually plays in Serie A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJPKM5aJ ... =materazzi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVFMuY1C ... =materazzi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okNah_cP ... =materazzi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGJ4grSn ... =materazzi

These are only some demonstrations of what Materazzi calls "aggressive defense".
Anyways, I know Zidane shouldn't have reacted to Materazzi's insults, he lost the patience, but you cannot say Zidane IS LIKE Materazzi. I can't accept that. It is absolutely wrong.
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Postby dada on Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:24 am

All I am showing is his history of personal attacks on players. People act as though Zidane is the Pope or something and has never retaliated before in his life, making Materazzi look like an even worse guy. He is no different than any other defender to be criticized the way he is. I can always pull together a video of all the fould Zidane has ever made to make him look bad so you posting those are useless to me.

Anyways, next topic. I'm beginning to notice I am becoming repetitive.
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Postby Joe' on Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:29 am

dadamafia wrote:He is no different than any other defender to be criticized the way he is.


Are you serious?? After watching the entire World Cup, seeing great defenders like Cannavaro, Nesta, Thuram, Terry, Ayala, etc. you're saying that Materazzi is not different than any other defender??
Ok...excuse me but this is just too much. I can't stand it so let's start a conversation about anything else.
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Postby dada on Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:39 am

Joe. wrote:Ok...excuse me but this is just too much. I can't stand it so let's start a conversation about anything else.


Very original. I guess from my last post you came to the understanding that I was looking to prolong the argument. Brilliant. Very witty indeed. :applaud: :chug: :applaud:
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Postby Joe' on Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:36 am

It's OK man, you have your opinion and I have mine... I don't want to start a flame because I know you're a cool guy. I respect your opinion, I don't know if you respect mine, but I really don't care. The end.
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Postby dada on Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:49 am

Forgot to post this earlier.

skysports.com wrote:Donadoni lands Azzurri role

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World champions Italy have moved quickly to replace Marcello Lippi by announcing Roberto Donadoni as his successor.

The Milan legend has limited managerial experience, but the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) have had plenty of time to consider their options and have opted for Donadoni.

The FIGC knew in June that Lippi would be leaving his role, although Italy's success in Germany meant that many were shocked by the departure of their coach.

Donadoni's last job was in Serie A with minnows Livorno - but midway through last season, with them placed in sixth, he quit after a row with president Aldo Spinelli.

Donadoni, who has also had spells in charge of Lecco and Genoa, will be officially unveiled by The FIGC in Rome next Tuesday - commissioner Guido Rossi confirmed.
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Postby Srbija on Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:55 pm

Ok, Zidane has been sent off, from what I have read and heard, several times before. But that was from when he was a younger player and he still had alot of football ahead of him. But, for him to do something like this in his last match, Materazzi must've said something that hit Zidane in the heart.

Anyway, enough about this whole Zidane/Materazzi thing, we will never know who's right or wrong. :lol:
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Postby Dean on Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:54 pm

That Real chick is Hawwt. :D
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Postby Srbija on Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:36 pm

Too skinny. :?

Although, I wouldn't mind doing the one with her ass to us. :P
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Postby funk99 on Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:33 pm

dadamafia wrote:All I am showing is his history of personal attacks on players. People act as though Zidane is the Pope or something and has never retaliated before in his life, making Materazzi look like an even worse guy. He is no different than any other defender to be criticized the way he is. I can always pull together a video of all the fould Zidane has ever made to make him look bad so you posting those are useless to me.

Anyways, next topic. I'm beginning to notice I am becoming repetitive.


lol. man man man. All i can say is that Matterazi is a lying bastard and Zidane does what people do. Stand up for their family
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Postby dada on Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:04 pm

WORLD SOCCER NEWS wrote:Juventus, Fiorentina, Lazio to be demoted - report

According to a report in today's Gazetta dello Sport newspaper, Juventus, Fiorentina and Lazio will be relegated to the Italian second division, while Milan will retain their Serie A status, albeit with a points deduction.


"The verdict will be this: Juventus, Fiorentina and Lazio will be relegated to division two," said Gazetta.

"Milan will stay in the first division but will not be allowed to take part in the Champions League."

The newspaper did not reveal its sources but claimed it also knew what point deductions each team would receive.

Juventus will be docked 20 points from the start of their Serie B campaign with Fiorentina penalised 10 and Lazio six or seven. Milan will lose 10 to 15 points from their Serie A challenge as well as being excluded from next season's Champions League.

The president of the Italian Football Confederation (CAF) Cesare Ruperto is due to read out the verdict on the newspaper's sister television station at1800 (GMT).

The teams will then have three days to appeal before a federal court of arbitration and a final decision will be given by July 24.

The scandal surrounds former Juve general manager, Luciano Moggi, interfering with the appointment of referees for Serie A fixtures.
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Postby funk99 on Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:12 pm

haha all those stupid italian teams. i wouldnt mind roma winning it
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Postby J@3 on Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:46 pm

Interesting... I can't see Lazio retaining virtually any of their main guys, I think a few will stay with Juventus but Fiorentina will be sucked dry. AC Milan will lose no one obviously.
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Postby Srbija on Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:46 pm

INTER MILAN FOR THE TITLE! :mrgreen:
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Postby sdude on Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:33 pm

Roma vs. Inter (Y)
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Postby shadowgrin on Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:23 am

Srbija wrote:Although, I wouldn't mind doing the one with her ass to us. :P

Ha, you wish.
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Postby dada on Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:41 am

soccerway.com wrote:Full list of Italian penalties

ROME, Jul 14 (SW) - Here is a complete list of the penalties handed down on Friday as a result of the match-fixing scandal in Italy.

JUVENTUS
Team:
-Relegation to Serie B
-30-point penalty
-2 Serie A championships (2004/05, 2005/06) stripped
-20th place finish in 2004/05 Serie A season
-Ban from 2006/07 UEFA Champions League
Individuals:
-General manager Luciano Moggi banned 5 years
-Former administrator Antonio Giraudo banned 5 years

AC MILAN
Team:
-15-point penalty
-Ban from 2006/07 UEFA Champions League
Individuals:
-Vice president Adriano Galliani banned 1 year
-Leonardo Meani (attaché to the referees' association) banned for 3.5 years

FIORENTINA
Team:
-Relegation to Serie B
-12-point penalty
-Ban from 2006/07 UEFA Champions League
Individuals:
-President Andrea Della Valle banned 3.5 years
-Honorary president Diego Della Valle banned 4 years

LAZIO
Team:
-Relegation to Serie B
-7-point penalty
-Ban from 2006/07 UEFA Cup
Individuals:
-Chairman Claudio Lotito banned 3 years

FEDERAZIONE ITALIANA GIUOCO CALCIO (Italian FA)
-Former president Franco Carraro banned 4.5 years
-Former vice president Innocenzo Mazzini banned 5 years

REFEREES' ASSOCIATION
-President Tullio Lanese banned 2 years and 1 month
-Paolo Bergamo (responsible for assigning referees) loses jurisdiction
-Pierluigi Pairetto (responsible for assigning referees) banned 2 years and 6 months
-Vice president Gennaro Mazzei banned 1 year
-Observer Pietro Ingargiola officially admonished.

REFEREES
-Massimo De Santis banned 4 years and 6 months
-Paolo Dondarini banned 3 years and 6 months
-Pierluigi Pairetto banned 2 years and 6 months
-Gianluca Paparesta banned 3 months
-Paolo Bertini sacked
-Pasquale Rodomonti sacked
-Domenico Messina sacked
-Gianluca Rocchi sacked
-Paolo Tagliavento sacked

REFEREES' ASSISTANTS
-Claudio Puglisi banned 1 year
-Fabrizio Babini banned 1 year
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Postby dada on Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:58 am

skysports.com wrote:Juve unhappy with verdict

Juventus president Giovanni Cobolli Gilli has confirmed there will be an appeal against the verdict which has condemned the club to Serie B.

Following the outcome of the match-fixing scandal which has blown apart Italian football, Juve have been relegated from Serie A.

The Old Lady have also been stripped of the titles won over the past two seasons and been handed a 30-point deduction for next term.

Cobolli Gilli is upset with the severity of the punishment and is hoping for leniency when the club's appeal is heard.

"Juve are disappointed with the relegation and the 30-point deduction suffered," Cobolli Gilli told RAI tv.

"We don't accept this responsibility that has a weight on the club and that would have to be put on the shoulders of former officials.

"We will appeal and we will do everything to allow our reasons to be accepted."

Fiorentina have also been relegated for their role in the scandal and will start in Serie B with a 12-point penalty.

The Viola will join Juventus in appealing against the sanctions and feel the verdict is 'profoundly unjust'.

A statement on Fiorentina's website read: "Fiorentina take note of the verdict made by the Federal Appeal Commission - a verdict that is considered absolutely not right.

"With reference to this, Fiorentina underline with strength, the absolute correctness of its officials' behaviour.

"For the respect of the city, supporters and of the dignity of the persons involved, Fiorentina will struggle in every way to ascertain the real events."
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