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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:51 pm

Andrew wrote:The Sheamus/ADR feud has run its course. I'm not a big fan of ADR and don't feel that he's panned out as well as the company hoped, his two title runs weren't that impressive. He does draw heat, he's not terrible in the ring, but I don't think they built him up all that well as a main eventer.

i feel that way about Sheamus. he's friends with HHH and got that monster push to start his career. as a babyface, there's nothing really compelling about him when he "fella"s this guy or kicks someone's "arse". I like ADR a lot better. although his mic skills are lacking, the fact that he has is own ring announcer is hilarious, his sportscars are really cool to look at, and he's actually pretty good in the ring.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:33 pm

Cool cars and Ricardo's announcing (and bumping) aside, I find ADR fairly bland to be honest. His character reminds me a little too much of Ted Dibiase Sr and JBL, who I feel did it much better and in JBL's case, too recently.

That said, I do get where you're coming from in regards to Sheamus. I thought his original push to the top as a heel was too rushed; one minute he's squashing jobbers and Jerry Lawler (admittedly a legend who can still go, but past his prime and in terms of the current product not a dominant, main event character), the next he's winning the title from face of the company John Cena and in kind of a fluke fashion, to boot. I think they've built him up better since but he's still not quite where he needs to be.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby deihatein on Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:15 pm

homicide1550 wrote:So I guess they have to find another opponent for Punk come Hell in a Cell. This leaves WWE in tough spot, the only face main eventer they have right now is Randy Orton. Or maybe Taker can come back and have a 1-month feud with Punk.


No not Orton. I like him back then but now it seems everyone he feuds with ends up being buried. He doesn't even put people over.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:22 am

Punk's supposedly got way more stroke than he does these days though, so I don't see him getting buried by Orton if they went that way.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:52 am

Shaq on Impact (which has been noice so far)
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby homicide1550 on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:31 pm

Andrew wrote:Punk's supposedly got way more stroke than he does these days though, so I don't see him getting buried by Orton if they went that way.

Very much true! Orton lost much of his stroke after failing that second wellness test. He even lost cleanly to ADR on Smackdown when he came back.

In any case, I do think Punk will hold on to the WWE title up until the Royal Rumble. Why else would they make Punk use the rock bottom if he won't be the one facing Dwayne at The Rumble.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:58 pm

It definitely seems that they're building to that, which I'm in favour of. It gives the belt prestige with such a lengthy reign and the angle works, even with Rock being a part-timer. Punk's stock is certainly as high as it's ever been right now.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:20 pm

Punk dropping the belt to the Rock, on the other hand, is a shit idea. And I doubt - if they do go with Rock vs Punk - there's any other way that's going down.

Followed, of course, by a two-month reign to completely undo the good from Punk holding it over a year, and handing it right back to Cena at 'Mania to lose every single fan they've gained since mid-2011.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:04 pm

If The Rock can clear his schedule for a couple of months and make more or less a brief full-time return to WWE, a shorter version of Chris Jericho's recent run, it wouldn't be so bad. Given who The Rock is and the fact that he can still put on a good match, it's not the worst thing that could ever be done with a major belt. It's not exactly WCW making David Arquette champion or The Great Khali getting a reign. I'm not sure he'll actually be able to do that with his movie career though, so unless they want a repeat of Hulk Hogan's reign in 1993, it'd be for the best if he loses at the Rumble.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:39 am

He'd be a semi-retired transitional champion. Transitioning to SuperCena. There is no way that will be watchable. And if anything other than that happens, I'll be bloody surprised.

There's also the fact that every time Rock has been on the mic since his return, I've hit fast-forward. It's just a mix of decades-old catchphrases, misogyny, and transphobia. It's not even uninteresting, it's offensive.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the fence, Jeff Hardy is more John Cena than John Cena is.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby homicide1550 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:52 pm

Loved the ending of last week's Smackdown! Kane & Daniel Bryan just kicked the other tag teams' butts.

And what's up with Slater, Mahal & McIntyre ganging up on Brodus? A new faction perhaps? (J.O.B. squad 2.0 :mrgreen:) I hope so but I doubt WWE will follow through with it.

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I guess Shaq really loves wrestling.

Anyway, I was wondering whatever happened to TNA's TV title which is held by D-Von. And after googling, it says that his contract has expired and has left TNA. It was just sometime ago that Hogan said that the TV title will be defended every week. I can't believe they allowed this to happen. Just goes to show how much they cared for that title. :roll:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby homicide1550 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:35 pm

This week's RAW was solid. Mick Foley was there and Big Show also returned last night.

It looks like Ryback has been pushed to the upper mid card level after being stuck to demolishing jobbers every week. First, he defeated Miz cleanly in a non-title bout, then sorta rescued/protected Foley from a CM Punk beat down at the end of the show. Can't wait where WWE goes with this. Well, at least they'll have someone Punk can be busy with until Cena returns at Hell in a Cell.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:57 am

homicide1550 wrote:Anyway, I was wondering whatever happened to TNA's TV title which is held by D-Von. And after googling, it says that his contract has expired and has left TNA. It was just sometime ago that Hogan said that the TV title will be defended every week. I can't believe they allowed this to happen. Just goes to show how much they cared for that title. :roll:

TNA issued a press release this afternoon announcing that TNA TV champion Devon was gone from the company after an "impasse" in contract negotiations.
On tomorrow's Impact Samoa Joe, Garett Bischoff, Magnus and Mr. Anderson will all try to become the new champion by convincing Hulk Hogan that they should be in the match to determine the new champion. Hogan will pick the two competitors and they will face off to determine the new TNA TV champion.

On the Devon front, TNA's press release noted, "TNA hopes that Devon returns to the active roster in the future."

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:44 am

It's a bit too soon to elevate Ryback to that level. He's not as over as he needs to be and he's pretty much untested/unproven outside of squash matches. If anyone can get a good match out of him it's a worker like Punk, but it feels like they're skipping a few too many steps here.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:49 am

but it could "prove" him though. Great match, sneaky finish again with Punk getting lucky. I think it's possible to get a guy over, or legitimize him, without a big win (see Ziggler)
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:55 am

Absolutely, though Ziggler was built better early on and was much more over than Ryback currently is, with more "real" matches under his belt. Right now, Ryback is still getting the "Goldberg" chants and we haven't seen him booked in anything but squash matches.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:15 pm

Assorted videos of off-air segments from JR Appreciation Night:
http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/video ... atts-more/

Nice to see him not get absolutely humiliated in his hometown for once. Hopefully even after King is healthy enough to return, they'll keep JR on commentary.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:42 pm

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Evidently Vince fired people in creative prior to Raw, then his solution is to put himself in the main event.....thanks Hogan II.

Didn't watch crap, hope they lose more ratings, but I really hope Punk doesn't get screwed over for attacking that fan.

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Evidently the guy pushed him in the back of the head before the camera was on him, but still man, during an election?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby formx on Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:33 pm

Damn that fan got smacked the hell out!
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:37 pm

Longer video of the incident (embedding has been disabled). Punk's supposedly got a lot of stroke backstage these days, but we'll see what happens after that. Potential PR nightmare.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:19 pm

Woah. He gave that fan a Bones Jones elbow!

EDIT: Also, that's an ugly shirt for Punk.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby formx on Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:11 am

Apparently there was a backstage blow up between Vince and a top star.
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/262231- ... to-changes
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:37 am

Mother Accuses Alberto Del Rio Of Bullying Her Son At Weekend Live Event

TMZ has a story online on Alberto Del Rio tearing a fan’s sign in half at a Smackdown live event in Anaheim last Saturday night. The mother of the fan, an 8-year-old child, is accusing Del Rio of being a bully and that her son immediately burst into tears and cried all the way home.

The woman, identified as Shelly Ehler, sent a letter to WWE over the incident and says Sheamus, who the sign was about, offered to send her child a signed photo.


Bit of an overreaction I'd say, that's classic heel shtick. As Richard points out in his reaction, the mother could've easily explained the situation to her kid without breaking the illusion.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby deihatein on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:41 pm

Is the "Goldberg" chant still going on with RYYYBACK? Or is it replace by the "Feed Me More"?
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Postby Like A Boss on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:42 pm

I believe it was replaced with Feed Me More
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Postby Andrew on Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:35 am

They're certainly piping in the "Feed Me More" chants, if nothing else.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby J@3 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:23 am

Lol why on earth would they rip off the only decent storyline the WWE's had in the last 5 years. It's too obvious
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Postby deihatein on Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:39 pm

The promo seems forced and lol at the almost botch finisher
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:47 am

At least they're not re-hashing the nWo in some form for the umpteenth time.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:58 pm

Bound for Glory was amazing. The storylines started faltering in the lead up, but the show was damn great. Wrestling was top notch all around, and the Aces and Eights reveal did a fine job of shock and awe. It is so refreshing to see finishers actually act as finishers in a match. Great regular matches, great hardcore matches, great spots, just great all around.

My only complaints were Hardy over Aries, just crap IMO, makes Aries look weak after such a great build up....stupid 3 day heel turn. And why the FUCK were they tagging in and out during the no DQ brawl?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby koberulz on Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:14 pm

Tags in no-DQ matches are nothing new for TNA. See: any Lockdown.
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Postby [Q] on Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:48 pm

interesting to see Ryback vs Punk at HIAC. will they kill Ryback's undefeated streak? i think he is over enough to warrant the ending of the streak. it'll keep the belt on Punk past 365 days i tihnk and it also allows cena to rest after surgery.

also, anthony cesaro annoyed me at first, but he is actually a very good worker in the ring and his matches are actually quite enjoyable to watch, which is something i can't say about many people nowadays. he has a lot of high-impact maneuvers (something you don't see much of anymore) and that uppercut he does is just naaaasty
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Postby Andrew on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:04 pm

They've put themselves in a tough spot with Ryback. They pretty much have to end the streak because he's not ready to be the champion and Punk's reign shouldn't end just yet. The problem is that potentially kills off his push, though if he can carry his end of the match with Punk and it turns out to be a decent, competitive match, they can make it work.
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Postby koberulz on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:31 pm

No reason it shouldn't, Punk's schtick is the slimy cheating heel, so they can get both of them more over.
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Postby Lean on Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:43 pm

I'm betting on a Punk win by cheating at the Cell. Then a promo the following night saying that he didn't cheat since it's a no-DQ match anyways.

On a similar Punk note, "Best in the World" is a must-watch. It tells a great story, and I can relate on it for most parts. Great that they were able to get footages from his old days at the indies, with TNA being mentioned only as "wrestling in Nashville". It's a great documentary for a wrestling product. Last time I enjoyed such was with Eddie Guerrero's I Lie, I Cheat, I Steal and HBK's My Journey.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:25 am

Presumably there's also a chance of interference by John Cena and/or perhaps Brock Lesnar, so there are certainly ways of protecting Ryback.

Got "Best in the World" for my birthday, though haven't had a chance to watch it yet. The previews I've seen definitely all made it look like a must-watch.
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Postby koberulz on Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:42 am

Andrew wrote:Got "Best in the World" for my birthday, though haven't had a chance to watch it yet. The previews I've seen definitely all made it look like a must-watch.

The DVD, or the Blu-Ray? The Blu-Ray has an extra 40 minutes or so of interviews, which is completely worth the extra eight bucks it cost me.

Picked this up a couple days ago, after having to hunt around for a bit - half the JB Hi-Fi stores didn't have their stock in yet - and it is awesome. My biggest concern going in was their treatment of his pre-WWE days, and there's footage there from IWA and ROH, Cabana and Steele were interviewed, Samoa Joe and Chris Hero get mentioned by name...not that it wouldn't have been fantastic without that, but it really did put it over the top.

Loved the Punk-Bryan match, which I'd never seen before. Particularly having watched a ton of ROH recently, and there were a few shoutouts to their ROH days in there. Speaking of which, I thoroughly recommend the Joe vs Punk DVD set from ROH. The matches are phenomenal, and the shoot interview on disc two is hilarious.
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Postby [Q] on Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:59 am

watched Ziggler's match on raw as usual. No Vickie + his opponent was Daniel Bryan... what a great match, a must-see match for sure
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Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:45 pm

koberulz wrote:The DVD, or the Blu-Ray? The Blu-Ray has an extra 40 minutes or so of interviews, which is completely worth the extra eight bucks it cost me.


DVD. I'm going to have to invest in a Blu-Ray player in the near future, though.

Meanwhile, I'm not a fan of AJ resigning in favour of Vickie being in charge. Vickie in a GM role has been done to death and while she may be hugely over as a heel, for me her screeching has become very annoying in a bad way; it's made the transition from "I want to see this character get her comeuppance" to "I don't want to see this character". That's not to say having AJ as the GM was a raging success, but rehashing that stuff with Vickie wasn't the answer.
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Postby JaoSming on Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:30 pm

I wont be watching raw if Vickie is staying in that role.....not that I've been watching, or other people

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that this rating (10/22) is the lowest non-holiday draw for Monday Night Raw in over 15 years.


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Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:47 pm

Still better ratings and more viewers than Impact. :P
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Postby koberulz on Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:36 pm

JaoSming wrote:Hope those that can stand her enjoy the Ryback reign. No way Punk retains after that.

Can't see them putting the belt on Ryback, but I can see Punk dropping it to Cena on Raw within a week or two.

In any event, who has the belt is pretty irrelevant. Not that it'll stop Vince claiming it is. At the very least, they need to go back to two hours.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:40 pm

Absolutely, three hours is just too much. Even if they were utilising it for more in-ring stuff or better angles, it's too long every single week.
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Postby koberulz on Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:00 pm

The other thing is they've introduced Main Event, which is relevant to the other two shows, so it's really six hours of TV a week that you need to watch, plus NXT and Superstars if you actually want to see decent wrestling. This time of year, it's way too much for me. NFL is on, NBL is on, NBA starts in a week. I just don't have the time.
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