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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:54 pm

A heel turn is well overdue. His character is heelish, the crowd reactions are negative, but the narrative still portrays him as a face.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:41 pm

Hell in a Cell was a good show. Both Cell matches were amazing. I think it's great that Jinder gets to win clean. Plus, SAMI ZAYN HEEL TURN?!?
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:12 pm

Certainly strikes me as a rather weird twist in the story.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:49 pm

Andrew wrote:Certainly strikes me as a rather weird twist in the story.

his character has been stale for quite some time. This will give him something to do for the near future.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:25 am

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Andrew wrote:Certainly strikes me as a rather weird twist in the story.

his character has been stale for quite some time. This will give him something to do for the near future.

I agree. Without knowing what the full plan is, I feel confident that this is the absolute best thing that could've happened to him. He's been doing nothing and going no where forever. Needs a change, and hopefully this is it. It was the saving grace to a show that, after the HIAC Tag Match, was very forgettable. Jinder winning clean took the entire air out of the building. Roode and Dolph wrestled in what sounded like an empty building immediately following it.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:43 am

I missed both the Nakamura-Mahal and Roode-Ziggler matches as I had to eat lunch. I completely forgot about Roode and Ziggler's match too. :lol:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:07 am

Lean wrote:I missed both the Nakamura-Mahal and Roode-Ziggler matches as I had to eat lunch. I completely forgot about Roode and Ziggler's match too. :lol:

You didn't miss much. Though, admittedly, I think Mahal sucks, and not in the heel heat sucks way; in the get this guy off my TV cause he sucks way.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:28 am

Mahal's reign reminds me of JBL's, and unfortunately, it's probably going to last just as long. It's hard to buy him as a world champion, after such a quick push from being a jobber. Fair point about Zayn, it's definitely better than creative having nothing for him and not utilising him.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:45 pm

Earlier in the week they announced an India tour so I figured he'll stay champion at least through the tour
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:48 pm

I've read that he might hold the belt until the Royal Rumble, if not Wrestlemania.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:09 pm

Andrew wrote:Mahal's reign reminds me of JBL's, and unfortunately, it's probably going to last just as long.


I talked with my brother about this exact point. I said that the babyface who'll be booked to beat him will be the next over guy, like how Cena was in 2005. Cena went up the ranks at least, going through the US title first before going to the main event. I also kinda hoped that Sami would be that guy to beat Jinder for the title.

There were rumors that when Cena returns around the Royal Rumble, he'll be challenging Jinder for the title, and might win #17. At this point, WWE should be booking the new guys to be winning the world titles.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:55 pm

I think at this point it would be great for him to turn. His angle and promos about him looking a certain way is probably an angle better suited for a face kinda like what Mustafa Ali is doing. Or they should have him get the band back together. Plus a lot of people cheer him and respect the work that he's put in to become champion so I could see him feuding with a Baron corbin or Kevin Owens as a face
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:48 pm

Yeah, Cena was really over before his main event push began, and even a little ways into it. Once his character got stale and the Superman booking kicked in, that's when the crowd started to turn and it became fashionable to hate him.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:58 am

Apparently, some of the Raw guys got sidelined for some viral infection (reported by pro wrestling news sites to be meningitis). TLC has been re-booked, with Kurt Angle replacing Roman Reigns and AJ Styles replacing Bray Wyatt.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:06 am

Sucks that they are sick but already 2 huge improvements to the card

Can't wait to see what Kurt's got left in him. Hope he comes out with the gold medals and pyro and everything
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:49 am

Figured Kurt had a couple more matches in him, but thought they'd save them for a bigger event. That's awesome, though. Hope he can have one last Wrestlemania match.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:54 am

Even microbes had enough of Reigns push.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:59 pm

Hoping to hear a "Thank you, microbes!" chant at TLC now.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:05 pm

Wouldn't be surprised if there would be actual chants about meningitis during the PPV. Meningitis is already being called the best booking of the year, best new RAW talent, and better than Vince according to social media posts.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:56 am

speculation that kurt angle is a bait and switch where he'll mysteriously get attacked and Jason Jordan will take his place. Then they'll find out it was him and wouldn't be surprised if it was under Triple H's direction leading to a Survivor Series match between the two.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:05 pm

I could absolutely see WWE pulling a stunt like that. I think a match between the two where Angle puts over Jordan is something they could build to and is perhaps inevitable, in the process revealing that he isn't actually his son. However, it would be a pretty disingenuous move to hype up his in-ring return for TLC, only to pull a bait and switch.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:44 am

Stoked for Asuka's debut, the AJ-Balor match, and Kurt's return.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby bigh0rt on Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:04 am

My initial thought when I heard this was that it's a waste to just dump Angle into this match, when his return match could've been a great angle and book. After second thought, though, I'm just glad to see him perform again, and think that this, as well as the Styles substitution could wind up being excellent matches, despite not having build ups (the Wyatt Balor build up was cringe worthy bad as it was). I'm optimistic.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:56 am

Andrew wrote:I could absolutely see WWE pulling a stunt like that. I think a match between the two where Angle puts over Jordan is something they could build to and is perhaps inevitable, in the process revealing that he isn't actually his son. However, it would be a pretty disingenuous move to hype up his in-ring return for TLC, only to pull a bait and switch.

I agree it would look bad if they hyped angle and didn't deliver, which is kind of the reason why he's in there to begin with. Hyping the shield but then not getting the reunion... so I could see them trying to make good for the fans, like Triple H showing up in place of Kevin Owens in South America.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:12 pm

I'd say Finn and AJ was the best match of TLC. I find that main event to be a total mess.
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Postby Andrew on Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:54 pm

Balor/AJ was great, no surprises there. I liked the main event for what it was, a spectacle rather than great in-ring work.
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Postby [Q] on Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:23 pm

I would agree. Looks like they stuck to the plan and Kurt did everything Roman was supposed to do during the match

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:11 pm

I kinda expected Reigns to come out of the garbage truck's driver's seat. :lol:
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Postby Andrew on Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:44 am

I thought Angle was going to come out of the truck at one point.
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Postby [Q] on Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:48 pm

Wow, that was a surprising episode of Raw. I guess Shane definitely has experience runing an invasion angle haha. I hope they come every week and do this until the PPV
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:24 pm

Emma released by WWE today :( , along with Darren Young and Summer Rae.
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Postby Andrew on Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:34 pm

Makes you wonder why they made Emma look strong against Asuka if she was on the bubble. I think they wasted her and Darren Young.
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Postby [Q] on Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:51 pm

She was going to get a run with the bully gimmick with Dana Brooke but her injury really messed that up
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Postby Lean on Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:35 pm

Yeah and I also thought that whole Emmalina schtick from last year also kinda ruined her momentum coming back. I'm pretty disappointed she was released because she was a great wrestler back in NXT (that match vs. Paige in that NXT Women's Championship finals) and during her heel run.

Lio Rush who was recently signed to NXT made a "joke" about Emma's release, saying that (verbatim) "that's what happens when you're really not ready for Asuka," which caused the ire of fellow NXT and WWE talents. Rush deleted the tweet and issued an apology because of the "joke."
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Postby Andrew on Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:23 pm

At least she didn't claim to be hacked.
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Postby [Q] on Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 am

Lean wrote:Yeah and I also thought that whole Emmalina schtick from last year also kinda ruined her momentum coming back. I'm pretty disappointed she was released because she was a great wrestler back in NXT (that match vs. Paige in that NXT Women's Championship finals) and during her heel run.

I forgot about that. I think her unwillingness to commit to that character led to her undoing as well since they had nothing else for her.

It's a shame too because they forced that character onto Lana which didn't allow her to do here hip hop dancer gimmick which I thought was cool. You can look it up on YouTube but that gimmick was her basically being herself in real life
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Postby Andrew on Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:13 am

Was that what happened? I just thought creative/Vince got cold feet on her, and pulled the gimmick before it had a chance.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Lean on Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:04 pm

[Q] wrote:I forgot about that. I think her unwillingness to commit to that character led to her undoing as well since they had nothing else for her.


I also think Emma's already fine as the Evil Emma character.

[Q] wrote:It's a shame too because they forced that character onto Lana which didn't allow her to do here hip hop dancer gimmick which I thought was cool. You can look it up on YouTube but that gimmick was her basically being herself in real life


I looked it up and now I have to find a way to get out of my basement!
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:39 am

It's tiresome watching Stephanie McMahon's character emasculate people. It just makes Kurt Angle look pathetic to stand there like a scolded dog while she screeches at him. It's an ongoing problem with her character, especially as she never gets her comeuppance...not for long, anyway. And then to top it off, HHH storms out, does the same thing, and squashes Jason Jordan to boot. Sure, it's too soon to be pushing Jordan to the moon, but Stephanie and HHH shouldn't (still) be running roughshod over everyone, with everyone just hanging their heads and not daring to fight back.

Say what you will about Vince, but he at least knew that he needed to get his ass kicked and be made to look a fool in the name of entertainment.
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Postby [Q] on Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:51 am

That's been HHHs problem for a very very long time. He seems to be living in the past where his character is some sort of mega draw and still the best/strongest guy around. Even back then when he was ditching chyna for Stephanie or even before then he was still playing politics trying to set himself in a good spot. Seems like he's got a bit of an ego to the point where he couldn't even job to Sting who was the main draw that year. There's no way he's losing to Angle if they square off.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:19 am

Absolutely. There's a difference between simply losing (which he has done) and truly putting guys over (his history there is more iffy). HHH never looks weak and even when he loses the eventual blow-off match, he still dominates the feud overall and makes the other guy look second rate. Stephanie is worse in some ways, because obviously they're not going to have babyfaces get physical with her. They don't even get to stand up for themselves though; they just hang their heads and pout while she screeches at them. As I said, it's tiresome.

It's weird because HHH has definitely done great things with NXT and obviously understands the business, but when it comes to his character, he has a blind spot. I remember several years back, websites reviewing one of the Smackdown vs. RAW games were instructed not to feature any screenshots where he's being beaten or is down on the mat. That says it all, really.
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Postby [Q] on Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:57 pm

What happened with the Bella feud with Stephanie? I think that was when you thought brie was going to get the upper hand I think that's when Nikki turned right?
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Postby Lean on Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:13 pm

Yeah that was it, it's a Summerslam if I remember correctly.

As I watched Raw, I think it's really funny how the authority feud on Raw just repeats itself halfway after Wrestlemania season. And it's also funny that Kurt didn't do anything when HHH turned around and gave Jordan the Pedigree. He just looked as it happens.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:36 pm

[Q] wrote:What happened with the Bella feud with Stephanie? I think that was when you thought brie was going to get the upper hand I think that's when Nikki turned right?


That's right, and it was terrible. "I wish you died in the woooooomb!"
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Postby Lean on Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:53 pm

"But I didn't tell anyone."
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Postby Lean on Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:37 pm

HOLY FUCK, TAKEOVER WAS AWESOME! I want Velveteen Dream to be a main eventer someday!
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Postby [Q] on Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:46 pm

heh, he has an interesting character. Very they make him out to be like a Orlando Jordan/Goldust type, but he's basically a Prince ripoff, which is cool because I like Prince.

Wargames match was a spotfest as expected
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Postby bigh0rt on Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:19 pm

He's a very entertaining performer, and I'm hoping that his character evolves into something cool. I'm enthusiastic about him, at least.
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