There is NO GOD

[benji]

1, 2, 4, 6, and 7 are nothing special nor unique. (And Hitler didn't come to a mysterious end.)

Three's flipping a coin on the Russia issue (also, not special) and the first part of it doesn't even make sense as to what it's supposed to mean.

Five is completely debatable. You see perverted/declined morals, others see a new enlightened and tolerant age.

And I'm pretty sure, nay, I know, the guy made more than just seven predictions. The page you copy/pasted from lists at least twelve others. It's an instance of the supporters taking cases in which the guy made obvious coin-flip or vague predictions and using it to claim he had some kind of special prescience.

EDIT: Now that I research the origins of these claims. It's a 1964 work he wrote claiming he got them back in 1933.

[osem111412]

Another:

William Branham prophecied that the Vatican City would be destroyed by Russia in a swift military campaign. Unlike the U.S. aerial bombing of Iraq, the Russian bombing of the Vatican will obliterate the political system of the State, never to be replaced. William Branham also quoted many scriptures confirming the accuracy of this prophecy.

He said:
And remember, I say this as God's prophet: The Russian empire will drop an atomic bomb of some sort on the Vatican City and destroy it in one hour. THUS SAITH THE LORD. And the Bible said that God took them cruel-hearted men and put them in His hands, and they were instruments in His hands to fulfill His will, and to bring back to her exactly what she had coming to her.

Please don't argue with this, I will not debate. Just like I said. Just Mark this! If this things came to pass. Maybe it's God that is real.

[benji]

An atomic bomb would level the Vatican City in seconds. Hell, we have non-atomic weapons that could level the Vatican in seconds. (Or does "destroy it in one hour" mean one hour from when he said it? Guess he was wrong.)

Why would Russia even want to destroy the Vatican City in a "military campaign"? That's like declaring war on the cities of Mecca/Medina and nuking them. Simply absurd.

William Branham also quoted many scriptures confirming the accuracy of this prophecy.

How could they confirm the accuracy of something that hasn't happened?

Please don't argue with this, I will not debate.

Of course you won't. You can't.

Maybe it's God that is real.

Or maybe the Cat Lords are pissed at the Pope.

[osem111412]

An atomic bomb would level the Vatican City in seconds. Hell, we have non-atomic weapons that could level the Vatican in seconds. (Or does "destroy it in one hour" mean one hour from when he said it? Guess he was wrong.)

Why would Russia even want to destroy the Vatican City in a "military campaign"? That's like declaring war on the cities of Mecca/Medina and nuking them. Simply absurd.

William Branham also quoted many scriptures confirming the accuracy of this prophecy.

How could they confirm the accuracy of something that hasn't happened?

Just what I said, just mark this. If this things not come to pass then there is no God. But if this things come to pass. I think God Exist!

The other things you asked is way off in this topic the "There is NO GOD" what I'm trying to do is to prove that there is God. The other questions is not belong here. I can tell you those but how can I if in the first place you don't believe in God. "How will we know algebra if we don't know ABCs"

[benji]

Just what I said, just mark this. If this things not come to pass then there is no God. But if this things come to pass. I think God Exist!

Um, no. If those things don't happen, there can still be a God. If they happen, there can still be no God.

[osem111412]

Just what I said, just mark this. If this things not come to pass then there is no God. But if this things come to pass. I think God Exist!

Um, no. If those things don't happen, there can still be a God. If they happen, there can still be no God.

You are too smart to understand the simple thought.

You know why? you came here not to prove anything but to prove that you are smarter than the other.

[benji]

Yay, I finally get to post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[J@3]

You know why? you came here not to prove anything but to prove that you are smarter than the other.

I think this is your roundabout way of admitting you have absolutely no way of rebutting anything anyone has said to you in objection to your posts in this thread. If you're not willing to debate then don't post, this thread has become a debate (albeit a really bad one) and if you just want to post random scriptures and stories about lunatics giving vague predictions then you're really not offering anything of substance. You won't debate because you know you can't back up anything you're saying and the burden of proof is one that no religious people will ever want to shoulder. It's always "this is why you're wrong" as opposed to "this is why I'm right", or in your case, "this is the truth but don't debate it because I won't listen lalalalalala".

[shadowgrin]

Can't you just stop trying to explain to us shit that we have no interest in!!!!!!! Fuck, if you love the bible that much, go have an orgy over it.

Then why read this thead that contains things you are not interested in? Retard.

You are not getting anywhere with this shit.
Just stop.

You're also making it worse. Retard.

I am getting to the point where I am going to knock someone out over this issue, I am stuck hearing this shit every day at school, so just back off, or I will kill you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You say you are not afraid of death, go on, better show that when I come and gun you down, mothafucka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, that was a bit extreme. Retard.

Sir what proof do you want? My biggest proof is my experienced.

I had an orgy with 100 women in one day and my dick is 40 inches. You want proof? I experienced it, that's proof enough for you and the others to believe it - how does that sound?

William Branham prophecied that the Vatican City would be destroyed by Russia

I knew it! Diddy is a bastard! :lol:

"How will we know algebra if we don't know ABCs"

Completely irrelevant. Letters and numbers are representations that have completely different value or meaning. If you are referring to the use of unknown variables in algebra, one can easily substitute letters with other symbols such as a square, triangle, bat sign, or any other symbols to represent the unknown value. Letters are not a necessity.

[osem111412]

Hello guys it seems that this thread will never come to an end. I just want to say thank you for all your thoughts and ideas that you've share. I really appreciate it. And to Sir Jae thanks for including me in you Sig Hehehe...I do really respect all of your beliefs

You guys still asking for a proof... Can I ask something? What Kind of Proof did you expect so I have an idea? As I always said knowing God is by experienced. You can't find no proof through intellectual or peoples documents. It's by faith and revelation. Thats All!

"How will we know algebra if we don't know ABCs"

Completely irrelevant. Letters and numbers are representations that have completely different value or meaning. If you are referring to the use of unknown variables in algebra, one can easily substitute letters with other symbols such as a square, triangle, bat sign, or any other symbols to represent the unknown value. Letters are not a necessity.

Let me explain this to you Sir, algebra is hard to study while abc is the very basic. That is what I mean. "How will we know hard things if we don't know simple things."

Can we please stop being smart-aleck or wisecracker here. Thank you

[shadowgrin]

Difficult/complex or easy/simple are relative. What is difficult for you maybe easy for others and vice-versa.

If you are referring to the progression of knowledge, you can find it in science and philosophy. Both of which you are intellectually murdering right now.

You guys still asking for a proof... Can I ask something? What Kind of Proof did you expect so I have an idea?

Ok, I'll ride along just for the lulz.

I will not ask for hard evidence or proof, what I ask of you is to offer arguments that make the existence of a god plausible or possible without the use of personal anecdotes, Bible references, or copy-paste sources (YouTube, lolz).

[Donatello]

Let me explain this to you Sir, algebra is hard to study while abc is the very basic. That is what I mean. "How will we know hard things if we don't know simple things."

Can we please stop being smart-aleck or wisecracker here. Thank you

It's all dependent on if you're taught properly, of course- but learning to read is actually more difficult for the brain than math. That being said, I suck at math, and am an excellent reader. But that's because I chose to sleep in math class, that or flirt with Erica Epperly.

And Jae, that "What if you're wrong" video was excellent.

[cyanide]

As I always said knowing God is by experienced.

If you're out hiking on the mountains and you take a look at the beauty of the river, trees, and skies, you could say that you're viewing the "wonderful creation of God," and you take that experience as something to be valued. That's fine.

You can't, however, say that you know God. You could say you believe God exists because we're fully sentient beings that question why everything exists as it does, but you cannot describe God's personality, claim that you know God is a male, confirm that heaven and hell exists, and that the world will come to an end in 2012. You can't. Doing so just puts you in in a position of blind faith. If you believe in what the Bible says, you are not believing in God, you are believing in the words of Man, because it was written by Man. If you claim God took control of a few selected men and wrote scriptures, wouldn't you find that hard to believe? Mark wrote it, not God. John wrote it, not God. Luke wrote it, not God.

If I were to write a bunch of likely predictions, and coincidentally they came true, I could attribute it to God and make some new believers and re-affirm existing believers. Heck, if I didn't attribute it to God, I could make a cult. What I see is that "Believers" are not critical thinkers. They just believe stubbornly, refuse to question challenges, and place faith into something so they have something to believe in. I don't know if it's stupidity or insecurity. Maybe both.

If someone said an orgasm is their experience that God exists, how is that any worse than believing Adam and Eve existed?

You can't find no proof through intellectual or peoples documents.

Well, no shit. Why quote from the scriptures? That's not proof.

At least we're able to show evidence that Y is a result of X through some sort of methodology.

Let me explain this to you Sir, algebra is hard to study while abc is the very basic. That is what I mean. "How will we know hard things if we don't know simple things."

That's common sense. What point does it prove? A tree will grow but a rock will not. Your hand will burn if placed over a fire, but your hand will get cold in a bucket of ice water. The sun is bright, but when the sun sets, everything appears darker. You must know basic math before you can learn algebra. You must know your ABCs before you know how to write words. If we don't know the hard things, we probably don't know the easier things.

[osem111412]

Ok here we go again in the bible, Bible is made by man not by God, again those men are under the anointing and inspiration of God, God always use a man. Because man is the highest specie he ever made.

For Example Here is some history of the Philippines:
Spanish rule brought political unification to an archipelago of previously independent kingdoms and communities that later became the Philippines, and introduced elements of western civilization such as printing and the calendar. The Philippines was ruled as a territory of the Viceroyalty of New Spain and administered from Mexico City, Mexico from 1565 to 1821, and administered directly from Madrid, Spain from 1821 until the end of the Spanish-American War in 1898, with a brief interlude from 1762 to 1764 when it was ruled by Britain. During the Spanish period numerous towns were founded, infrastructures built, new crops and livestock introduced, and trade flourished. Spanish missionaries converted most of the population to Christianity and founded schools, universities and hospitals across the islands.

Is this true? How will we know? All Filipino will say: Well the teachers taught this in the school... Is that Proof? How will you know this it happened in 1565 are you there? Well we have a book that told us that it is true... And then we critics said well we don't believed that!!! We don't know nothing show us the proof and evidence that Magellan is really came in the Island of Mactan and Lapu Lapu killed him.

Ok we say we believed that because it's only 444 years ago and that is possible... The bible is not it's 2,000 years ago. Ok. Do you believed that if ever the earth will come to 3009 years the history of your country will never known to those people in that generation? Is it possible that the people in 3009 years will know Michael Jordan? Yes of course, because some of us today are writing a book about Michael Jordan and maybe 1,000 years from now, some of them will read about Michael Jordan.

Maybe some of you say that we believe in the bible but the stories not. How will Jesus fed a thousand people with just a bread and fish... Well let me ask you something. Are you there? Well the disciples are there John saw that!!! Peter saw that!!! Matthew saw that!!! That's why they wrote about that.

You see it's not fair. If you don't believe in the Bible then don't believe the history of your country.

Edit: Sorry for my bad English, its not my first language.

[benji]

Primary sources.

[osem111412]

Primary sources.

All history have primary source. The bible have, the original language is not english I think it's greek just search it. What happen is some bible scholar just translate it, the bad thing right now is there are so many translation or version. But the King James version is the nearest.

[benji]

So the Bible was written as the events were happening?

[osem111412]

So the Bible was written as the events were happening?

Yes the disciples saw the miracles of Jesus, but in the old testament like Moses, God is directly speaking to all prophets, God gave visions like in the garden of eden, how he created the earth, Moses was not there yet but God told him directly what happened. God always dealing with the prophet through visions.

Again they are servants of God, when they wrote the bible, its not them but It is God that used them to wrote the Bible. They are under the inspiration anointing of God.

[shadowgrin]

For Example Here is some history of the Philippines:

This is some good history, I can feel that burning sensation in my loins...

Spanish rule brought political unification to an archipelago of previously independent kingdoms and communities that later became the Philippines and introduced elements of western civilization such as printing and the calendar. The Philippines was ruled as a territory of the Viceroyalty of New Spain and administered from Mexico City, Mexico from 1565 to 1821, and administered directly from Madrid, Spain from 1821 until the end of the Spanish-American War in 1898, with a brief interlude from 1762 to 1764 when it was ruled by Britain. During the Spanish period numerous towns were founded (I doubt how those were better than the tribes/communities that existed before Pau Gasol came), infrastructures built, new crops and livestock introduced, and trade flourished (if by flourish you mean the Spaniards benefited mostly instead of the Filipinos, yeah why not). Spanish missionaries converted most of the population to Christianity (some converted willingly, some enslaved/killed when they didn't embrace Christianity so some were scared the shite and converted, it's still up for debate though) and founded schools, universities and hospitals across the islands.

Is this true? (yeah, because there are still buildings that are clearly of Spanish design/architecture that are still standing, and some of the schools/universities still exist and function today, still under the same religious denomination that founded them) How will we know? All Filipino will say: Well the teachers taught this in the school... Is that Proof? How will you know this it happened in 1565 are you there? (because there are numerous evidence even today that the Spaniards were in the Philippines such as: Language - different dialects still exist today that have some form of integrated Spanish and considering the fact that the Philippines is an archipelago, it would really be hard for a single language to permeate the the entirety of the Philippines unless the majority of the country then was under the rule of an imperial power like Spain. Infrastructure - like the buildings, schools. Literature/Art - not just one source but numerous sources such as very old Spanish era newspapers, books, paintings, historical records, blown up shite from ships, all of which can be found in the nearest museum) Well we have a book that told us that it is true... And then we critics said well we don't believed that!!! We don't know nothing show us the proof and evidence that Magellan is really came in the Island of Mactan and Lapu Lapu killed him.(yeah, pinoys are already dickheads then)

Edit: Sorry for my bad English, its not my first language.

Ok we say we believed that because it's only 444 years ago and that is possible (yeah, and considering it's really hard to cover-up ... The bible is not it's 2,000 years ago. Ok. Do you believed that if ever the earth will come to 3009 years the history of your country will never known to those people in that generation? Is it possible that the people in 3009 years will know Michael Jordan? Yes of course, because some of us today are writing a book about Michael Jordan and maybe 1,000 years from now, some of them will read about Michael Jordan.

Maybe some of you say that we believe in the bible but the stories not. How will Jesus fed a thousand people with just a bread and fish... Well let me ask you something. Are you there? Well the disciples are there John saw that!!! Peter saw that!!! Matthew saw that!!! That's why they wrote about that.

You see it's not fair. If you don't believe in the Bible then don't believe the history of your country(LOL HAHAHA, sorry, I couldn't restrain myself).

What happen is some bible scholars just translate it, the bad thing right now is there are so many translation or version. But the King James version is the nearest.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Fixed osem's post.

[benji]

Yes the disciples saw the miracles of Jesus, but in the old testament like Moses, God is directly speaking to all prophets, God gave visions like in the garden of eden, how he created the earth, Moses was not there yet but God told him directly what happened. God always dealing with the prophet through visions.

Okay, so the Old Testament is a bunch of hearsay? Only the New Testament is a primary source? At which point is it being written while those events are happening instead of through "visions"?

[osem111412]

Yes the disciples saw the miracles of Jesus, but in the old testament like Moses, God is directly speaking to all prophets, God gave visions like in the garden of eden, how he created the earth, Moses was not there yet but God told him directly what happened. God always dealing with the prophet through visions.

Okay, so the Old Testament is a bunch of hearsay? Only the New Testament is a primary source? At which point is it being written while those events are happening instead of through "visions"?

Moses knew it was God, when they get out from Egypt they are 2,000,000 but it was God in the form of Pillar of Fire that guided them, fed them. He saw the evidence, they are witness. Not all in the old testament is came from Vision of God. But what is the problem if Moses wrote it and what he wrote is came from God? Is there any difference if God itself wrote the Bible? The truth is God is the author of the bible he just used man, it's not man's thought but it was God's thought.

Prophets are just man, they can't do anything without God. So It was God himself who wrote the bible.

To shadowgrin: Yes there is some evidence of every history, and God also have evidence did you read about my uncle's testimony I previously post? Who's behind that voice and who's the man standing in the air told him that Why should I need to turn and look at you since I see everything? Why the prophet of God today can even raised the dead? You know why people don't have evidence of God because they didn't seek it diligently.

[benji]

So, it's not a primary source, it's hearsay.

At best, a secondary source in which the original source may or may not actually exist.

[osem111412]

So, it's not a primary source, it's hearsay.

At best, a secondary source in which the original source may or may not actually exist.

You are too smart, that's why you can't understand.

[J@3]

You are too smart, that's why you can't understand.

So you have to be an idiot to figure it out lol?

[cyanide]

You are too smart, that's why you can't understand.

So you have to be an idiot to figure it out lol?

Remember, you have to know the ABCs before you can do algebra.