There is NO GOD

[benji]

Sorry.

There is only one Bible,why my interpretation? I can't rewrite Bible and i can't give it a new meaning!

How do you know your interpretation of the meaning of the Bible is correct? You do not know God's meaning, you only know man's interpretation of God's words. Shadowgrin can read the Bible and get a completely different meaning from a passage than you do.

We won't even start on translations. Nor the fact that the only proof the Bible is in fact God's word is that the people who wrote and follow it say it is.

Hinduism,Buddhism and Islam are wrong.

Why are they wrong?

Those religions are made up.

In other words, I don't believe it, so it's wrong and not true.

Is this slavery when i believe into God? He doesn't demand anything impossible.

You said "serve God" that means God is your master. If he commands you to do something, you are required to do so. If that is true, then you are not free. You are a slave to God. (Or in reality, slave to the man who claims to speak for God.)

How do you know what God demands? Does he speak to you?

I'll say this again since you obviously missed it the first time. The Bible is not a book that explains everything in the world. It is not a scientific theory. It is a series of anecdotes with the intent of imbibing a moral philosophy. Even if it was God's word, it cannot be proven to be without circular logic. It is an abstraction, not the definitive document of reality.

You cannot say evolution is wrong because it contradicts the Bible. That's stupid. If someone told you that the Earth being round and orbiting the Sun was wrong because it contradicts older writings that say the Earth is flat and the Sun orbits it, would you accept that and be done with it?

In the end, all you're doing in this thread is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority

[Jackal]

Hinduism,Buddhism and Islam are wrong.

Why are they wrong?

Just in case he misses it the first time around.

[shadowgrin]

I DO respect other opinions....And i don't push my faith to others!

Hinduism,Buddhism and Islam are wrong.God is creator.He didn't create those religions.Those religions are made up.Islam doesn't recognize Jesus.Buddha didn't create world.There is no Allah(Islam comes from wrong prophet.)

You lying piece of shite, where in the hell is your "respect" in that post? You're basically doing the same "call any bad names" with those statements.
benji only asked why your religion is superior, he didn't ask if they are right or wrong.
Your true intention and feelings about it slipped up, admit it you lying bastard.


You still haven't explained these:

Everyone has the right to believe

What's the point to argue?I am a believer,you'r not,simple as that.

Anyway these kind of threads will never find a answer.Just like stupid xbox vs ps3 threads.And there's no need to find a answer.I am not pushing my faith to others,

Everyone should find their faith by themselves.

If that is really your opinion, then why bother posting at all?
I know you get pissed off from the name-calling, but why bother when it is your belief/philosophy that...

1. everyone has the right to believe
2. what's the point in arguing (you are a believer they are not)
3. an answer will never be found, no need to find an answer
4. let them be (find faith for themselves)

Your statements imply that the topic will eventually lead to nowhere, then why bother posting at all? You even have posts that start up the debate again when you yourself know that it will result in nothing and you believe in letting others be. Then why bother posting you trolling piece of shite?

gay troll?

EDIT: so benji now asks why the other religions are wrong, answer it then you fucking troll.

[vinceair]

How do you know your interpretation of the meaning of the Bible is correct? You do not know God's meaning, you only know man's interpretation of God's words. Shadowgrin can read the Bible and get a completely different meaning from a passage than you do.

Usually Bible's message is one: Be good person. Yes i agree that different people will have different view.

Why are they wrong?

My point of view.. Buddhism is good of course.Karma law advices are good. I mean God created world and we should be thankful.But Siddhārtha Gautama(Buddha) is a human not God.Bible teaches that we can't serve other human as a God.

You said "serve God" that means God is your master. If he commands you to do something, you are required to do so. If that is true, then you are not free. You are a slave to God. (Or in reality, slave to the man who claims to speak for God.)

You are saying Christianity is a slavery? How wrong is that?
You are saying that Christians are slaves? Serving is NOT slavery! Bible is full of good advice how to live your life properly. Your statement wasn't very polite .

How do you know what God demands? Does he speak to you?

No. I read a Bible. Never heard of 10 commandments?


EDIT: Shadowgrin i have said multiple times that my statments are MY OPINION? You don't have to agree with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[benji]

How do you know the Bible is the word of God?

Serving is NOT slavery!

Serving against your will is.

[Joe the Space Marine]

So what if there is no god and heaven and this life is all you got. And you spend yours annoying other people instead of enjoying it. Wouldn't that be karmic justice?

I still think it's incredible that you can read a book and get such strong convictions. I wonder what will happen when you get to reading things like the little train that could. Maybe it will turn you into a motivational speaker.

[shadowgrin]

.But Siddhārtha Gautama(Buddha) is a human not God.Bible teaches that we can't serve other human as a God.

I don't know i admit this.

Just shut the fuck up. You really know nothing about it do you? If you know nothing about it, shut the fuck up.
Buddhist don't worship Buddha as god. They don't "serve" him.

Your statement wasn't very polite

The same can be said of your statements regarding Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism being wrong. You hypocritical piece of turd.

Shadowgrin i have said multiple times that my statments are MY OPINION? You don't have to agree with them!!!!!

Good, but it still doesn't answer these:

Everyone has the right to believe

What's the point to argue?I am a believer,you'r not,simple as that.

Anyway these kind of threads will never find a answer.Just like stupid xbox vs ps3 threads.And there's no need to find a answer.I am not pushing my faith to others,

Everyone should find their faith by themselves.

If that is really your opinion, then why bother posting at all?
I know you get pissed off from the name-calling, but why bother when it is opinion that...

1. everyone has the right to believe
2. what's the point in arguing (you are a believer they are not)
3. an answer will never be found, no need to find an answer
4. let them be (find faith for themselves)

Your statements imply that the topic will eventually lead to nowhere, then why bother posting at all? You even have posts that start up the debate again when you yourself know that it will result in nothing and you believe in letting others be. Then why bother posting you trolling piece of shite

I'm am not arguing with you on what is right or wrong, thus no need to agree or disagree.
What I'm doing is asking you on WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TROLLING based on your statements/opinions above?
Answer it! I want the truth!

[benji]

Answer it! I want the truth!

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

[MikeMan™]

but Hinduism,Buddhism and Islam are wrong.God is creator.He didn't create those religions.Those religions are made up.
There is no Allah(Islam comes from wrong prophet.)

This guy should really die right now . . .

how would you know have you lived 2000 years back?

this question is for you . . .

[Donatello]

MikeMan™, you are truly not helping.

This thread got 10 times worse overnight.

[benji]

This guy should really die right now . . .

What the hell is wrong with you?

[shadowgrin]

but Hinduism,Buddhism and Islam are wrong.God is creator.He didn't create those religions.Those religions are made up.
There is no Allah(Islam comes from wrong prophet.)

This guy should really die right now . . .

For someone who doesn't believe in the existence of a god, you sure took that statement pretty seriously.

[MikeMan™]

No , but saying other religions are wrong is really impolite . . .
Allah and Co. will really kill him . . . ( It was intended to be a joke )

[Donatello]

vinceair > MikeMan.

Discuss.

[MikeMan™]

Cuss , Cuss , Cuss . . .

[cyanide]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority

SCREAM.

My point of view.. Buddhism is good of course.Karma law advices are good. I mean God created world and we should be thankful.But Siddhārtha Gautama(Buddha) is a human not God.Bible teaches that we can't serve other human as a God.

Come on, you can't use ignorance as an excuse. So now that shadowgrin has corrected you that Buddhists don't "serve" Buddha or others, does that make Buddhism great? Is there anything that you can pull out of the Bible to make Buddhism bad? Is Buddhism bad now?! What makes the Bible or Christianity better than Buddhism now?

[shadowgrin]

No , but saying other religions are wrong is really impolite . . .

If you are Muslim, Hindu, or even a Buddhist (I doubt that a true Buddhist will get angry at a trivial thing like that, anyway...) I understand if you wish he would die because of what he said, but you are not of those faiths. Wanting his death is a little bit extreme don't you think?

( It was intended to be a joke )

There's this thing called timing ...

[Maaarf]

vinceair represents everything that's wrong with religious people

[MikeMan™]

If you are Muslim, Hindu, or even a Buddhist (I doubt that a true Buddhist will get angry at a trivial thing like that, anyway...)but you are not of those faiths.

Wanting his death is a little bit extreme don't you think?

at least he'll enjoy heaven early . . .

[shadowgrin]

vinceair > MikeMan.

Discuss.

I'm really, really tempted right now to do that.

[vinceair]

Serving against your will is.

Christians don't serve God against their will. God has given people free will.That's why even good people die,and sometimes bad people like drug barons or something live a good life.But bad people also die very often.But bad people always must be careful,they can't get sleep so well.They must watch over the shoulder in public places etc.. Of course God sometimes step's into game and saves you.We know this by miracles.

How do you know the Bible is the word of God?

Christians know this,it's hard to explaine. Just creation makes perfect sense to ME. If that was fairytale then Bible would be dead by now.

I'm am not arguing with you on what is right or wrong, thus no need to agree or disagree.
What I'm doing is asking you on WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TROLLING based on your statements/opinions above?
Answer it! I want the truth!

Christian vs Evolution/Atheism debate,even though you are not one of them,is not very polite,even in tv shows.Both sides are using word "wrong",and i don't see nothing bad about it. Both sides are trying to embarrase each other. They can't find answer after the debate.Beliver reimains believer and atheist/evolutionist will still be atheist/evolutionist.

I must repeat that earlier statements are MY opinion,nobody doesn't have to agree with my view of life.

[J@3]

God has given people free will.

It's a shame the people who believe in him don't do the same.

[Joe the Space Marine]

Ever read more than one version of the bible? Have you tried researching about your own religion or do you just accept anything?

Ever heard about older cultures having stories about a jesus like guy? Complete with the rising after 3 days and everything. The people who wrote the bible weren't very original and just copied and borrowed from other stories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIMFz5ZKDVo

Watch a little something about a guy called Horus. Might be interesting,

And I am not advocating in favor of or against something. I am trying to find out how much you accept before asking questions.

[shadowgrin]

If that was fairytale then Bible would be dead by now.

Then care to explain Buddhism and Hinduism which is older than the Bible? If those religions are wrong because they are "made up" by humans then how can they last until today, even older than Christianity? If they are "wrong", as you said yourself, then shouldn't they have disappeared a long time ago?

That question is also related to the one posted by cyanide (a few posts above), just a reminder. Care to answer it?

Both sides are using word "wrong",and i don't see nothing bad about it. Both sides are trying to embarrase each other.

So you think it's ok to do that just because others do it?
Your purpose really is try to embarass others instead of clearly getting your point across so others could understand it? Ok then. Point taken clearly.

They can't find answer after the debate.Beliver reimains believer and atheist/evolutionist will still be atheist/evolutionist.

I must repeat that earlier statements are MY opinion,nobody doesn't have to agree with my view of life.

I KNOW. I FUCKING KNOW. I KNOW THAT IT IS YOUR FUCKING OPINION. HAVEN'T I MADE THAT CLEAR WITH MY PREVIOUS QUOTED POSTS?

Everyone has the right to believe

What's the point to argue?I am a believer,you'r not,simple as that.

Anyway these kind of threads will never find a answer.Just like stupid xbox vs ps3 threads.And there's no need to find a answer.I am not pushing my faith to others,

Everyone should find their faith by themselves.

I am not looking to agree or disagree with your opinion, what I'm doing is ASKING YOU A QUESTION on why you keep posting even though it is your opinion that these kinds of debate will lead to nowhere and never find an answer, and YET YOU CONTINUE TO POST OPINIONS OF YOURS, WHICH CONTRADICT YOUR OWN POSTED OPINIONS BEFORE, and ARGUE WITH OTHER MEMBERS WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN GIVE A DECENT REBUTTAL.
I THINK THAT IS TROLLING and you are an attention-seeking whore.

Answer that, PLEASE.

[vinceair]

I have heard about him. How do you know that Bible stories are borrowed? Israel and Egypt hated each other at the beginning of times.
Both Israel and Egypt people made animal like statues and served him.I think that Horus is a fictional guy from Egypt people who hated God and wanted their own God.
People who born after Jesus death heard about Jesus from their parents(who saw Jesus personally..)A book (Bible) is proof of that.

What you think about Shroud of Turin? Maybe God left that as a proof of Jesus. It was impossible to make that with some tehnique back then.

EDIT:

I am not looking to agree or disagree with your opinion, what I'm doing is ASKING YOU A QUESTION on why you keep posting even though it is your opinion that these kinds of debate will lead to nowhere and never find an answer, and YET YOU CONTINUE TO POST OPINIONS OF YOURS, WHICH CONTRADICT YOUR OWN POSTED OPINIONS BEFORE, and ARGUE WITH OTHER MEMBERS WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN GIVE A DECENT REBUTTAL.
I THINK THAT IS TROLLING and you are an attention-seeking whore.

Why they still do debates on tv and debates with audience if they can't find answer? As i said earlier that "Old man with beard sits in heaven" bothered me.I am trying do defend my view,that's all.AND I SAID THOSE DEBATES DON'T FIND ANSWER! Debate=Big argue.What's wrong with that? I think you have serious problems with your nerves.Why to piss off?