The Debate Thread: Same-Sex Marriage

[Andrew]

Polls can sometimes discourage discussion though, since people can just click the option, maybe mention what they voted for and leave it at that.

EDIT: Ben beat me to it.

[shadowgrin]

Zanshadow wants his opinions opinionated for him so he doesn't have to think. Thinking is hard.

[TheMC5]

...We mennonites...

Ohhhhh, okay. That explains a lot.


Also:

Long, but hilarious.

Holy crap. ZooDawg is insane! Evidently homosexual marriage has absolutely no comparable whatsoever. Who knew?


Addendum:

Direct quote from ZooDawg. Absolutely the most head-in-the-sand comment I've ever seen:

I think TV is better than books. 2 diff. points. You can get ALOT more information from reading that is for sure. But any a!#%&*! can write a book. ANYBODY. But if you put it on tv there's alot more scrutiny b/c the network or cable operator, or the channel itself can get in alot more trouble. Same with news. Look at the whole thing with CBS lately. There's alot more checks and balances, transparency, scrutiny, and responsibility on those TV channels than with books.. in general. And mostly b/c anybody can write a book about anything. All it has to do is sell. There ARE some really good books out there..but I think alot of it is just editorial.

To quote Professor Farnsworth, "I don't want to live on this planet anymore."

[benji]

There ARE some really good books out there..but I think alot of it is just editorial.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with this specific statement. From my experience 95+% of all books are absolute shit and pretty much worthless.

Hell, in the non-fiction world it's probably higher, as you can get all you need to know from the titles in at least 90% of them, and then you still have another 9% that only add a page or two of usefulness.

And don't get me started on the academic world's scam.

[TheMC5]

Not questioning that there are many shitty books. I would, however question the assertion that cable news is a more reliable source of information, with more "checks and balances" than "books", to say nothing of either mediums tendency toward knowledge or wisdom.

That was an epically hilarious thread, though.

[benji]

As I noted, it was merely the last statement I was contending was probably accurate.

And I don't think he was singling out cable news as he cites CBS as an example despite their object failures over the decades. And to be fair, TV, especially broadcast TV does in fact have a much greater layer of "scrutiny" than publishing. I don't consider this to be a benefit, but I would not reject this position out of hand. Plenty of people think this way especially of the internet. No less than the current U.S. Secretary of State has lamented the fact that anyone can publish anything on the internet without someone "correcting" it first.

I did not click the link though, and only based my comments on what you quoted.

[shadowgrin]

No less than the current U.S. Secretary of State has lamented the fact that anyone can publish anything on the internet without someone "correcting" it first.

LOL. Didn't they (Obama's peoples) made the mistake of believing something like that firsthand without verifying it for themselves first? The interview about that "racist" employee of the Department of Agriculture?

[benji]

You are somewhat mistaken on the facts of the case, but yes, they did call her and tell her to resign (to the point she had to pull over on the road) within hours of an edited video going up on a SINGLE known anti-Obama, pro-Republican website. Even though a few phone calls would have established it was not the full video (not that I think the full video saves her) but that doesn't mean much considering the very organization that HAD the full video (on their website nonetheless) also condemned her immediately.

That said, Hillary's quote comes from earlier, back in the 1990s I believe:

“We are all going to have to rethink how we deal with [the Internet], because there are all these competing values,” she said. “Without any kind of editing function or gatekeeping function, what does it mean to have the right to defend your reputation?”

Then again, she murdered 300 people in Iowa just to not win a caucus:

“We had 300 people outside, literally freezing to death,” Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton marveled on Tuesday before a crowd in Iowa City.

[shadowgrin]

Gay Animals: Alternate Lifestyles in the Wild

Homosexuality has been documented in more than 450 species of vertebrates signaling that sexual preference is biologically determined in animals (WTF, God disapproves). From Male bonobos that hang from trees and engage in "penis fencing" to bull manatees and bottlenose dolphins, the animal kingdom tolerates all kinds of lifestyles.

Guianan Cock
Males of this stunning perching bird delight in homosexuality. Almost 40 percent of the male population engages in a form of homosexual activity and a small percentage don't ever copulate with females.

What a waste of a good name for a bird.

Gray Whales
Splashing around in the water is brought to a completely new level in gray whales, where homosexual interactions are quite common. In slip-and-slide orgies, as many as five males roll around, splashing water, and rubbing their bellies against each other so that their genitals are touching.

Gives us another good reason why whales should be hunted to extinction. Same with walruses...

Walruses
Male walruses don't reach sexual maturity until they are four years old. During that time, they are most likely exclusively involved in same-sex relationships. The older males are typically bi-sexual, mating with females during breeding season and copulating with other males the rest of the year. Males rub their bodies together, embrace each other and even sleep together in water.

Swans
Homosexual couples account for up to 20 percent of all pairings annually. Almost a quarter of all families are parented by homosexual couples that remain together for years. At times, male couples use the services of a female by mating with her. Once she lays a clutch of eggs, the wanna-be fathers chase her away and hatch the eggs. Other times, they just drive away heterosexual couples from their nests and adopt their eggs.

Even in animals, gays are a threat to safety.

Antelopes
On average, females mount with other females a couple of times an hour during the mating season. Homosexual mounting encompasses almost 9 percent of all sexual activities within these hoofed mammals in the wild. While courting, the pursuer sidles up behind a pal and raises her foreleg, touching the other female between her legs. This leggy foreplay ultimately leads to mounting.

Butch lesbians.

Giraffes
Male courtships are frequent amongst these long-necked mammals. Often a male will start necking with another before proceeding to mount him. This affectionate play can take up to an hour. According to one study, one in every 20 male giraffes will be found necking with another male at any instant. In many cases, homosexual activity is said to be more common than heterosexual.

Giraffes always looked pansy to me.

Bottlenose Dophins
Homosexual activity occurs with about the same frequency as heterosexual play amongst these marine mammals. Male bottlenose dolphins are generally bisexual, but they go through periods of being exclusively homosexual. The homosexual activities of these mammals include oral sex during which time one dolphin stimulates the other with its snout. Males also rub their erect penises against the body of their partner.

Remember that anytime you think of dolphins as 'cute'. You perv.

Bison
Homosexual mounting between males tends to be more common than heterosexual female-male copulation among American bison, especially because females only mate with the bulls about once a year. During mating season, males engage in same-sex activities several times a day. More than 55 percent of mounting in young males is with the same gender.

Endangered species my ass. It's their own fault.

Macaques
Female macaques form intense bonds with each other and are serially monogamous, meaning they only have one sexual partner at a time. However, they have several of these relationships during each breeding season. Female macaques engage in sexual activities such as genital stimulation and vocalize their delight in forms of cackling sounds. Males also take to homosexual play but tend to leave their partner soon after, making it what we call in the human world a one night stand.

Bonobos
Considered the closest living relative to humans, bonobos are not shy about seeking sexual pleasure. Nearly all of these peace-loving apes are bisexual and often resolve conflict by the "make love, not war" principle. They copulate frequently, scream out in delight while doing so, and often engage in homosexual activities. About two thirds of the homosexual activities are amongst females.

Fuck PETA and the WWF. Kill 'em all I say.
I hope God punishes them with animal AIDS.