The age old Question: LeBron vs Kobe.

[imefimef]

Ok, this question has been debated for years and years and i don't think it would end.
The question is: WHO IS THE CURRENT BEST BASKETBALL PLAYER (FOR THE LAST 3 SEASONS)?
I put last 3 seasons to be definite as regards to periods of time, and my question is not about legacy, i think it's stupendous how people try to compare the legacy of a 33 yr old to the legacy of a 26 yr old. Completely assinie if you ask me.
I noticed in all my arguments(which i try to back up by facts) nobody has ever given me ONE good factual reason why Kobe is better. I am a fan of arguing so i'm always up for a debate, and even if you don't agree with me, i try to get you to see where i'm coming from and as i with you. I know people are going to say Kobe is the best because he hits more difficult shots, ok yes Kobe is a better SCORER. Not PLAYER. I mean Devin Harris is a better scorer than Rondo, but doesn't mean he is a better basketball player. SO please i beg of you Kobe fans, PLEASE give me factual evidence that Kobe is better than LeBron.

[Doobie]

Over the last 3 seasons Kobe has led his team to 3 NBA finals appearances and 2 NBA titles, while Lebron has won 2 MVP's but hasn't won a title or anything. Not to mention Kobe won 1 MVP award. Lebron may statistically fill up the stat sheet more then Kobe, but Mr. Bryant has the killer instinct that Lebron has lacked the past 3 seasons. I don't know what else to say, statistically Lebron is superior, there is no argument, but I still think Kobe is the better player.

[Lamrock]

The billionth fucking thread. LeBron never won with the Cavs because while Kobe had Pau, Odom, Bynum, etc. with some good role players and one of the best coaches ever, Bron has had Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao and a bunch of has-beens, and has had Mike Brown as his coach.

And LeBron is a better scorer than Kobe.

[imefimef]

Over the last 3 seasons Kobe has led his team to 3 NBA finals appearances and 2 NBA titles, while Lebron has won 2 MVP's but hasn't won a title or anything. Not to mention Kobe won 1 MVP award. Lebron may statistically fill up the stat sheet more then Kobe, but Mr. Bryant has the killer instinct that Lebron has lacked the past 3 seasons. I don't know what else to say, statistically Lebron is superior, there is no argument, but I still think Kobe is the better player.

Ummm, do you realize that im, talking about basketball not golf??? BBall is a team sport, you cannot attribute all the Lakers success to Kobe, what about the seasons when Shaq left? Did Kobe stop being the best player all of a sudden? NO, THE TEAM CHANGED!! How do you not get that? Championship rings is in no way a determinant of the better player, because by that definition, Manu, Dwade, Paul Pierce, Ron Artest are better than LeBron. Plus i asked for factual evidence, not stupid stuff like "Killer Instinct" What are killer instincts? Can you pick some up from foot locker or do you work on it in the gym? The only thing factual you brought up is mvp(which is pretty much by definition the award for being the best player). Even winning the NBA finals doesn't even mean you're the best team in the NBA, because it's possible that they just didn't meet a team that can beat them.

EDITED: Took out some swear words.

[Lamrock]

I hate that I'm on your side of the argument.

[imefimef]

I hate that I'm on your side of the argument.

Yeah, i'm fucking thrilled

[koberulz]

mvp(which is pretty much by definition the award for being the best player).

In theory.

[Kenny]

Kevin Durant


Oh well, atleast this isn't Kobe Vs MJ thread. Given the choice, I think that while LBJ is the most gifted basketballer on the planet, Kobe has a better temperament to go with some mad skill, so as much as it kills me to say this, probably Kobe.

[hova-]

LeBron's an athletic beast, but ffs he has no shot and lacks great footwork. Imagine him getting a knee injury and loosing some of his explosiveness ... I doubt he could handle that.

Kobe has developed a decent shot, some post game etc. But he's older, LBJ can still reach those heights. It's just no right to compare two players who are 26 and 32 (iirc).

You may compare them when both have retired.

[imefimef]

LeBron's an athletic beast, but ffs he has no shot and lacks great footwork.

You may compare them when both have retired.

LeBron shot a higher percentage than Kobe for 3 pointers the last 2 seasons and shot 34% attempting half more while Kobe shot 35%. That hardly sounds like a man with no shot and one of the biggest myths in the NBA. Sure Kobe has a better jumpshot but doesn't mean LeBron can't shoot.

Kevin Durant


Oh well, atleast this isn't Kobe Vs MJ thread. Given the choice, I think that while LBJ is the most gifted basketballer on the planet, Kobe has a better temperament to go with some mad skill, so as much as it kills me to say this, probably Kobe.

So the reason you're sticking with is "a better temperament to go with some mad skill"????? OK. That's a fact. And totally true. End of argument.

[Kenny]

I stated a preference, I didn't say I was right. LeBron has incredible skill, but if I was to own a franchise and was given the choice between both players, I'd honestly say I'd pick Kobe.

[benji]

Here's a better question: WHO IS THE GREATEST SEVEN FOOTER WHO PLAYED AT LEAST 5000 MINUTES BUT AVERAGED 4 OR LESS POINTS PER GAME?

There's only seven of them:
Jason Collins (2002-current)
Manute Bol (1986-1995)
Joel Przybilla (2001-current)
Paul Mokeski (1980-1991)
DeSagana Diop (2002-current)
Francisco Elson (2004-current)
Jim McIlvaine (1995-2001)

LET THE ULTIMATE DEBATE COMMENCE!

[Patr1ck]

I hate to lean one way or another in these comparisons. I look at Lebron as a more athletically talented player, and see Kobe as a smarter basketball player.

[puttincomputers]

Kobe- for intangibles

[shadowgrin]

Apples and Oranges.

[koberulz]

Here's a better question: WHO IS THE GREATEST SEVEN FOOTER WHO PLAYED AT LEAST 5000 MINUTES BUT AVERAGED 4 OR LESS POINTS PER GAME?

There's only seven of them:
Jason Collins (2002-current)
Manute Bol (1986-1995)
Joel Przybilla (2001-current)
Paul Mokeski (1980-1991)
DeSagana Diop (2002-current)
Francisco Elson (2004-current)
Jim McIlvaine (1995-2001)

LET THE ULTIMATE DEBATE COMMENCE!

Fewer points, not less points.[/nitpick]

The answer is Francisco Elson. He has a ring, the others don't.

[Patr1ck]

It's gotta be Manute Bol. Just for that one play where he had all those blocks.

[Spotlight]

Bryant because of his workethic and basketball iq. Lebron is way more talented, but that's not enough. Kobe has developed Gasol, Bynum even Shannon Brown in his time with the Lakers. At the end of the day, if your leader is a hard worker, works extremly hard to improve his game even at the age of 32, poses killer instinct every single night, he is going to inspire his teammates and make them better. It's a really, really big factor. It's the same with Tim Dankan in his Spurs days and now I'm seeing some of it in Derrick Rose too. That's why I would give my MVP vote to him. Lebron, on the other hand is dancing, joking all the time and even crying in locker rooms. Not to mention all the crap he said and did in the summer. He don't have a killer instinct and it hurts his chances of winning a title. And badly. He doesn't have a heart of a champion. Of course, he will win one or two titles in the future, but only because of his out of the world talent. Compere this, 5 titles. 7 NBA finals to 0 titles and 1 Finalls apperance. Enough to be said. And he won't win it this year too, even with his superfriends. Hard work beats talent.

[Martti.]

Gotta be Bol, great shot blocker and a great person.

[Bruce]

In time lebron will probably grow into his role, but right now. My vote is for bryant. Bryant knows his role, and knows it well. Kobe knows he is the franchise, maybe someone else is the future of the lakers, but he is the leader, and he is the man now. Lebron, if he idolizes MJ so much, should have known that MJ stuck it out with his franchise, because he is the main man. Lebron seriously damaged his legacy by blowing off the cavs.

I might be ranting right now, mostly because I'm drunk again. But a real hero doesn't quit. Bad knee, broken finger nothing. Well, actually, poor shooting night nothing as well. Kobe is king of the Lakers. Some of the younger ones in this forum might not realize this, but it really takes a real man to keep on gunning even if the cards aren't going their way. Lebron talented as he maybe be right now, still needs some growing up to do. Right now, of the current stars in the game, i'd say the celtics big 3, kobe, td, dirk diggler are all better than lbj. For all we know, lbj could blow a knee tomorrow, and he'd be nothing more than one of the most hyped prep to pro.

[volsey]

Lebron is way more talented

Talented as in he was born with a freakishly athletic gift?

[koberulz]

It's gotta be Manute Bol. Just for that one play where he had all those blocks.

Actually...does Joel Przybilla get any extra points for his given names being Joel Anthony?

[Moz]

Gotta be Bol, great shot blocker and a great person.

and he can shoot threes...

[imefimef]

I stated a preference, I didn't say I was right. LeBron has incredible skill, but if I was to own a franchise and was given the choice between both players, I'd honestly say I'd pick Kobe.

We all have rights to our opinions and i can't knock you for yours, but i'm not really asking for opinions i'm asking who and a good enough reason why.

Here's a better question: WHO IS THE GREATEST SEVEN FOOTER WHO PLAYED AT LEAST 5000 MINUTES BUT AVERAGED 4 OR LESS POINTS PER GAME?
LET THE ULTIMATE DEBATE COMMENCE!

I have asked this questions plenty of time in my circles and it actually garners more debate than the LeBron Kobe thing. And yeah i'd got with Manute Bol.

[imefimef]

Bryant because of his workethic and basketball iq. Lebron is way more talented, but that's not enough. Kobe has developed Gasol, Bynum even Shannon Brown in his time with the Lakers. At the end of the day, if your leader is a hard worker, works extremly hard to improve his game even at the age of 32, poses killer instinct every single night, he is going to inspire his teammates and make them better. It's a really, really big factor. It's the same with Tim Dankan in his Spurs days and now I'm seeing some of it in Derrick Rose too. That's why I would give my MVP vote to him. Lebron, on the other hand is dancing, joking all the time and even crying in locker rooms. Not to mention all the crap he said and did in the summer. He don't have a killer instinct and it hurts his chances of winning a title. And badly. He doesn't have a heart of a champion. Of course, he will win one or two titles in the future, but only because of his out of the world talent. Compere this, 5 titles. 7 NBA finals to 0 titles and 1 Finalls apperance. Enough to be said. And he won't win it this year too, even with his superfriends. Hard work beats talent.

Ah, so even tho i have used and abused the word facts, your still giving me gems like "work ethic" "killer instinct" "heart of champions" (sounds like something Charlie Sheen would have for breakfast.
Ok, so you're telling me you actually watch Kobe and LeBron and you follow them home and to the gym etc and you see Kobe spending more hitting the treadmill than LeBron? Wow this easily is one of the most stupid things i've ever gotten to read and it's funny because no matter how many times i hear it, it still gets me by surprise.
And you're saying Kobe was the one who developed Shanon Brown, Pau and Bynum?? Hmmm i didn't know Kobe had a part time job as a personal/athletic coach. I call bullshit, another stupid thing that never ceases to amaze me. If Kobe was this "make basketball players magically better" then what happened with KWAME BROWN!?!?!? what happened with Smush Parker? GTFOH. You say you also see this magical power in Derick Rose? so he's the reason Carlos Boozer isn't injured anymore, Rose magically healed him with his MVP powers.
OOOHHHH so the reason why the Cavs never won and why Mia is struggling right now is because of LeBron's dancing abilities? damn thanks, that makes perfect sense after all. And i remember you are a stalker so i'm sure you prolly have video footage of LeBRon crying in the locker room along with Dwade. And yes, God forbid a man wins and succeeds because he has talent, it's unfortunate everone can't win with magical mvp powers and shark like instincts.
Ummm, you know that basketball player know as Micheal Jordan? you prolly heard of him before but umm he didn't win a ring till his 7th season in the NBA if we were to compare that to Kobe, then by your definition and standards, Kobe is better than Micheal Jordan. This is the point in my drunken rant i would like to advice you to kill yourself because frankly, the world will be a better place without you.