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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:20 pm

Another poor shooting performance by Lonzo but triple double and win that came with game high 29+ plus minus is extremely promising. Imagine when he gets his shooting right, oh boy. But shooting talent is not something you can vastly improve unless you are born with it. MCW for example... That is also I find him interesting, how Lonzo will develop his game, either to cover his weakness or to actually improve on shooting.

Great to see the Lakers fighting for the PO spot. It has been awhile for the Lakers.

Kuzma on the other hand is also excellent. How high do you guys think is his ceiling tho?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:49 pm

He has shooting talent, look at his shooting percentages in college. He's shooting 47% from the line, which is the same distance in college that he shot a MUCH higher percentage (67%). He also shot 5.4 threes a game in college and shot over 40%, granted not the same distance, but it's safe to say he can shoot. I think it's a combination of nerves and just overall adjusting to the NBA game. I think he can be exploited more in the NBA by just a better talent base, but he CAN shoot. I look at Kevin Martin as a good example of a player with an unorthodox shot that succeeded, Lonzos release isn't as quick (and I think alot of it has to do with his feet), but maybe he can develop a quicker release with a different base.

And shooting talent isn't necessarily something you are born with, it's repetition and overall practice. I wouldn't be able to pick up the ball for the first time ever and just shoot and hit shots because I was "born with it". I would have to develop a form, practice it, practice it in different situations, etc.

The problem with his game is he can only pull from one side of the floor (unless he is wide open), and hes not confident getting to the hoop yet.

Also, numerous players have improved there shots or forms in order to achieve a better shooting percentage or overall just be more effective. Andre Drummond is a great example with his free throws, he completely changed his free throw style, practiced it, and became a much better free throw shooter.

Great pace by him in this game though, he was all over the place. Great energy and hustle. That was a Westbrook type triple double, where he was flying around the floor just basically getting his hands dirty. He had a couple nice drives to the hoop, and the one handed tip in on the alley oop showed nice touch. He also had a few hockey assists when he was leading fastbreaks.

Kuzma is crafty, so many different ways he can score. His ceiling as a player is a tough one. I've watched a number of Lakers games, and hes impressed me in every one. He certainly has the potential to be a multiple time all star. I like his intensity, and confidence. He has a great opportunity to shine this season with a team that's so young.

I want to watch him more this season to come up with a possible player ceiling comparison.

Another thing to keep in mind with this game, Jokic and Mike Malone were ejected in the second quarter, and Millsap exited with a sprained wrist. Yes, the Lakers were up by like 15 or 16 when the ejection happened, and I still think the Lakers win this game, but just something to keep in mind.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am

Keep in mind for what?

Gotta give Corey Brewer a shoutout too. Old fella out there stripping young guys on back to back plays just makes me giddy. Great presence on the team, he's always giving it his all and after years of lackadaisical play, that's super refreshing to see. Glad to see Josh Hart get minutes again too, was hoping for a T. Bryant sighting there at the end, but alas.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:25 am

Just saying the Nuggets weren't at full strength for over half the game. Still a great performance by the young Lakers.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:18 am

Jackal wrote:Keep in mind for what?

Gotta give Corey Brewer a shoutout too. Old fella out there stripping young guys on back to back plays just makes me giddy. Great presence on the team, he's always giving it his all and after years of lackadaisical play, that's super refreshing to see. Glad to see Josh Hart get minutes again too, was hoping for a T. Bryant sighting there at the end, but alas.

I like Bryant way more than zubac but unfortunately looks like he's behind him on the depth chart.

I still cringe at the number of 3s they take. Kuz and Julius I don't mind so much but Lopez pulling up for 3 on a fast break and kcp jacking them up makes me cringe, especially with him barely cracking 30%. I don't like those chances.

There was no reason why they should have lost to phx. I mean Booker was hitting some ridiculous shots but those scrubs ulis and James were dominating
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Kevin on Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:54 am

[Q], that fucking 2 on 1 fastbreak they had and KCP just pulls up a 3 smh

NovU, I'm trying to be positive and tell myself that some rooks like Lonzo struggle to find their shots on their rookie year but slowly improve as the season goes. Also, I think scoring can be taught unlike getting assists by having great court vision.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:44 pm

I read coach told Lonzo to get smarter at shot selection a couple days ago. Perhaps he's forcing a little bit under pressure.

Kevin wrote:Also, I think scoring can be taught unlike getting assists by having great court vision.

well said kev. Not bad for a med school drop out.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:00 am

I've been mentioning Kevin Martin even before Lonzo had his first NBA game. I agree with Billups, those two should connect.

Martin's shot was super awkward and similar to Balls, but he was a damn good shooter in the NBA.


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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:50 pm

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Nance should be back after the thanksgiving break, should he be back in the starting line up or should he come off the bench and let Kuzma start?

Interesting tidbit about Ball; he averages 7 assists both on the road and at home. No real advantage at home.
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