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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:41 pm

Right now when I look at Ingram, this is what I see. I hope that body fills out soon.

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NovU wrote: Post Kobe era is off to a fast start it seems if Lakers can maintain 500 for the season.


This is a pleasant and welcome surprise for me. I was thinking the Lakers would be sluggish at the start and end up with 25 wins this season. But If they can end it at close to the .500 mark then that 1st pick owed for the Nash trade won't seem like such a waste.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:28 pm

Tough loss against the Wolves, that team is quite exciting as well. Stellar game by Wiggins.

Ingram should fill out with the way they are handling him. He's just 19, he's got loads of time still. His instincts on defense are quite impressive and I like the way he goes up for rebounds.

Best case scenario would be .500 team at the end of the year and the ping pong balls falling the Lakers' way. Top three protected I believe, but that's wishful thinking.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:51 am

I'd say Julius is the best player right now. His versatility and consistency is what makes him the best. Russell is great but has some off nights

Yeah I like Ingram's instincts on defense. His long ass arms are tipping a lot of passes and getting occasional blocks

Iirc the Nash pick is unprotected this year so the process is still working for the sixers
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:19 am

Jackal wrote:Tough loss against the Wolves, that team is quite exciting as well. Stellar game by Wiggins.

Indeed, it was a battle between KAT, Wiggins, Dunn vs. Randle, Russell, Ingram. Really interesting which trio will be the better in a few years.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:28 am

[Q] wrote:Iirc the Nash pick is unprotected this year so the process is still working for the sixers


L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Phoenix) protected for selections 1-3 in 2017

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed

So this year if they get 1-3 it's still the Lakers', next year however it's unprotected.

Great triple double by Randle and a good scoring game by Russell too. They had some bad defensive possessions in the fourth quarter though, shouldn't have been as close as it ended up being. Ingram also had some good plays defensively down the stretch.

I think the coaching staff also realizes they need to help Deng out some how, I saw him play the 4 in the first half with a Nance-Deng-Ingram-Clarkson-Williams line up and once with Randle-Deng-Ingram-Clarkson & Russell. Moz has been playing his balls off (still a bad contract, but still..) but Deng's been looking pretty bad on the court. I'm sure he's doing a good job as a vet (see him talking to the young guys on the sidelines quite a bit) but every time he shoots I sort of cringe.

On to San Antonio. Weird to think Timmy's not there anymore. :|
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:26 am

Tough loss against the Spurs, Russell sat out with a sore knee, hope he's better and back for the next game.

Not a bad effort by the team though, they hung around with the Spurs and even fought back from a 19 point deficit.
Ingram is being aggressive and trying to make things happen by driving but you can see the lack of body strength really throws his shots off and he has a difficult time finishing. He's really working hard on the defensive end and I love the way he goes for rebounds so that's a positive. Does a lot of the ball handling with the second unit too. I'm encouraged by what I see so far from him, hope he only gets better and better. Randle should slowly start trusting that 17-18 footer of his, it looks way better than it did last year. He's been a delight to watch so far.

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:04 am

The duo of T-Rob & T-Black is so fun to watch, I'm really glad management was able to cut Yi in favor of Robinson.

As for the rest of the Lakers: nice job by Young, Williams and Deng who has picked it up as of late.

The young guys need to show some more effort though, Randle takes plays off on both sides sometimes, Russell plays too lackadaisical and Clarkson seems to have digressed since last year, he's got that tunnel vision Randle had last year. I feel he played much more of a facilitators role last year. Perhaps that's what's being asked of him by Luke though, who knows.

Ingram has the instincts, I really hope he fills out and his shots fall. I think he's got the highest ceiling of them all.

Sometimes I miss the Mamba mentality in the young guys though, the team is so...laid back. They lose leads, little fight on the defensive end and you don't really see anyone say okay; enough of this shit. I guess that's not the teams identity any more but yeah, Kobe spoiled us. Some passion/fire a la Bestbrook in one of the young guys would be really nice.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:22 am

Maybe they miss nance jr. he is their best front court defender

Clarkson maybe is destined as a combo guard 6th man... at least with this roster makeup

Lakers need to pair with a Russell another guard who can defend and shoot
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:10 am

They do miss him, I agree completely with him being their best front court defender. Moz I think is the worst at the moment.

Lakers need to pair with a Russell another guard who can defend and shoot


Anyone off the top of your head? Young has been playing well on both sides but he's no defensive star himself.

What are the thoughts about trading Clarkson/a big/Young or Williams for Noel? Clarkson is on an extremely team-friendly contract but Noel's defense would really benefit the team. Would the Sixers want that though, not like LA has any picks to offer to sweeten the deal.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:42 am

Lol idk. KCP. I imagine the competition will be stiff for him

Philly may be interested in him too so not sure if they would want a clarkson type for Noel. Just an outsiders opinion lol

Does Russell shoot layups other then in warmups? I swear that guy is just allergic to the lane in the games I've watched
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:58 am

air gordon wrote:Does Russell shoot layups other then in warmups? I swear that guy is just allergic to the lane in the games I've watched


Since he's been back from that knee injury he seems to settle a lot more for the three. Before he had a move where he kept the defender on his hip and took a sort of floater type shot, haven't seen that one consistently since he's been back.

The defenders are going under the screen often since he's been back though, fits with Luke's shoot it if you're open philosophy. Wish he'd be a bit more aggressive, he's got good size compared to the guards that usually guard him.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:21 am

Back to back 17 point games for Ingram, he's got such good instincts for a guy his age. I really think he's going to be really good down the line.

Also good to see Russell actually attack more, he got to the line on the first play that way I think.
Awesome effort by all the young guys, another game of balanced scoring and they tried on defense in the second half.

Congrats to T-Rob for getting his contract guaranteed, he's a workhorse and I'm glad he's on the team.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:01 am

With the team almost back to full strength and the emergence of Deng, they've been fun to watch again after a rough stretch with injuries. Still loving randles odom-esque game and Robinson has been a good insurance policy for Nance
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:37 am

[Q] wrote:With the team almost back to full strength and the emergence of Deng, they've been fun to watch again after a rough stretch with injuries. Still loving randles odom-esque game and Robinson has been a good insurance policy for Nance


Agreed, they sort of are back to the way they were playing back when the season started.

Artest, Huertas & Calderon would be players I'd have rather seen cut before T-Rob, even if he does play similar to T-Black.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:37 am

Damn, no fight in these young Lakers. Decimated by the Spurs and the Clips are pretty much doing the same.

Some fire/passion/hustle wouldn't be a crime fellas.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:10 am

TBH, i'm not surprised as these two teams are at the top of the West and are simply better than the Lakers.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:27 am

I didn't expect them to win, I expected them to compete. Their body language from the get-go was terrible.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:16 am

Awesome win over the Pacers.

Good stuff:

Ingram is finally getting his shot to drop/being more aggressive on the offensive end of the floor. His instincts (and length) defensively are already pretty damn good (especially for a 19 year old). I have really high hopes of him, if he can become anything like Kawhi I'll be so happy. (Good both defensively & offensively to a point where he can dictate the game.)

The effort from Black/Clarkson/Young/Williams. Once they were on the floor you saw the Lakers not only take the lead but extend it.

Bad stuff:

Julius Randle is atrocious defensively. Like "get mad at the TV" type bad. He's got no defensive instincts at all, he's so lazy on that side of the court and I would hope Walton makes some kind of adjustment when Nance comes back to really make Randle realize he's just got to make some kind of effort on that side of the floor. Players waltz by him & he has a tendency to ball-watch as well. So frustrating.

What the fuck are wrong with Mozzie's hands? That dude can't catch a pass in the paint, damn.

Russell's injury. Hopefully it doesn't keep him out too long and he's able to come back soon enough and play effectively.
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Re: Lakers Thread

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:40 pm

^^ Randle and Russell are supposed to be the top 2 guys on the team, it is sad that they have been underperforming. The old Deng is no where to be found either. The team might still be raw, but maybe it is time for Walton to mix up the lineup again.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:23 pm

i understand it's fun to dream and have high hopes but.....what's the acceptable "floor" for these young guys? specifically ingram, randle, russell.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:38 pm

Jackal wrote:Damn, no fight in these young Lakers. Decimated by the Spurs and the Clips are pretty much doing the same.

Some fire/passion/hustle wouldn't be a crime fellas.

ok yeah this makes more sense now after that Dallas loss
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:57 am

air gordon wrote:i understand it's fun to dream and have high hopes but.....what's the acceptable "floor" for these young guys? specifically ingram, randle, russell.


It's hard to say, you don't really want to compare them to players but hope for the best, I guess? I think(hope?) worst case scenario they could be like the following players:

Ingram - Otto Porter?
Randle - Antoine Walker? Julius' BBIQ is really lacking imo.
Russell - Kevin Martin with better handling?

Obviously I really hope they're better than those guys and all develop in to superstars but I think Ingram has the most potential to be a real star, Russell is tip-toe'ing that line and Randle is going to be a really good role player with perhaps a few all star appearances.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:03 pm

Those are pretty fair worst case scenarios. If those are your acceptable "floors" for those guys that's not so bad

I am curious as to why you or anyone for that matter thinks Russell has superstar potential
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:47 am

What a frustrating loss. I'm glad Luke yanked Julius at the 2.30 mark while not showing effort on the defensive end guarding CJ McCollum and getting burned.

Russell won't be a super star I think, I think he can be a multiple all star though. I think Ingram is the only one that can really be a superstar. Russell has good court vision and has a nice shot/decent handles. I'm not sure he's best suited at being the PG in an offense and would like to see him play more of a SG role. Or at least run some more pick & roll, he's really playing within the offense which involves a lot of handoffs/playing off screens.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:10 am

Jackal wrote:
Russell won't be a super star I think, I think he can be a multiple all star though. I think Ingram is the only one that can really be a superstar. Russell has good court vision and has a nice shot/decent handles. I'm not sure he's best suited at being the PG in an offense and would like to see him play more of a SG role. Or at least run some more pick & roll, he's really playing within the offense which involves a lot of handoffs/playing off screens.

Fair enough. I thought Russell was playing very well before the knee injury. Even getting to the line. I don't see elite athleticism which sort of puts a cap on potential but his size is a plus at the pg position... even if he isn't a pure pg.

He's shown he was the right choice over okafor so far

Too early for Ingram. At least he's not redshirting his rookie year like Russell had to
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:42 am

Yeah, definitely a better choice than Okafor. I've seen a couple of his games and he's basically Al Jefferson, I was expecting way too much from him based on draft reports.

I agree with that he (Russell) looked better/more aggressive pre-injury. He quit doing that "keep them on the hip then take the shot" move that was pretty effective for him too.

Russell has been a Ginobili/Harden-esque hybrid with his size/handles. Not exactly a PG but able to do it in spurts like them.

Ingram has a long ways to go, his shot mechanics are a bit whack. You see it on his free-throws too. He's got good vision and he plays smart. Especially for a 19 year old.

I'm most concerned about Randle's BBIQ. Didn't appreciate him actually arguing with Walton after being pulled. Man up man, you fucked up. Don't argue your coach over shit like that.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:31 am

Where the heck did all the Laker fans go on this forum?

The way Zubac/Nance/Black have been playing this year the Mozgov signing keeps looking more and more terrible. Both the signings in fact look quite terrible at the moment.

Anyone expect any movement around the trade deadline? I'd be okay with them parting ways with Lou-Will, I'm sure he can help some playoff bound team in exchange for a pick. I'm sure no one in their right mind would want Mozgov/Deng.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby dare on Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:15 am

I'm still lurking here. I don't expect any trade in the deadline , although if they can trade Lou and Mozgov for anything then I can already consider that a win.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:56 pm

Jackal wrote:Where the heck did all the Laker fans go on this forum?
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Either, waiting for the draft or crying in a dark corner somewhere.

dare wrote:I'm still lurking here. I don't expect any trade in the deadline , although if they can trade Lou and Mozgov for anything then I can already consider that a win.


I think Mozzy had a couple of OK games this season that would let the Lakers fool some contender that needs a big man in to absorbing his contract. Deng has been playing like he's past his prime, in fariness to him, I think he is not getting the same touches he is used to getting. This might make Deng's contract harder to sell off though.


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air gordon wrote:i understand it's fun to dream and have high hopes but.....what's the acceptable "floor" for these young guys? specifically ingram, randle, russell.


It's hard to say, you don't really want to compare them to players but hope for the best, I guess? I think(hope?) worst case scenario they could be like the following players:

Ingram - Otto Porter?
Randle - Antoine Walker? Julius' BBIQ is really lacking imo.
Russell - Kevin Martin with better handling?


worst case:
Ingram - austin daye
randle - ike diogu
russell - alvin williams, ricky davis (in terms of reputation)

best case:
ingram - KD, greek freak
randle - dray green, grandmama
russell - healthy brandon roy, derek anderson (I do not know if this is good or bad)
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Murat on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:00 am

Bruce wrote:worst case:
Ingram - austin daye
randle - ike diogu
russell - alvin williams, ricky davis (in terms of reputation)

best case:
ingram - KD, greek freak
randle - dray green, grandmama
russell - healthy brandon roy, derek anderson (I do not know if this is good or bad)


worst case looks really worse, maybe we see Ingram in Euroleague? Lol Bennett plays right in euroleague. that randle comparison is scary

ingram and randle best cases look great. a healty and non jail-blazer derek anderson would do well
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:30 am

Jackal wrote:Where the heck did all the Laker fans go on this forum?

The way Zubac/Nance/Black have been playing this year the Mozgov signing keeps looking more and more terrible. Both the signings in fact look quite terrible at the moment.

Anyone expect any movement around the trade deadline? I'd be okay with them parting ways with Lou-Will, I'm sure he can help some playoff bound team in exchange for a pick. I'm sure no one in their right mind would want Mozgov/Deng.

I think the signings were good especially for the start of the season because these youngins need veterans not named swaggy to teach them how to be professionals
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:40 pm

Murat wrote: that randle comparison is scary


Diogu never played as much minutes as Randle has been getting, but check out the per 36 minutes.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =dioguik01
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:58 am

Bruce wrote:
worst case:
Ingram - austin daye
randle - ike diogu
russell - alvin williams, ricky davis (in terms of reputation)

the question was what's the acceptable "floor" for these guys. not worse case scenario.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:39 pm

Seems to me Randle tries to be a point power forward little too often. I am thinking that's on Luke Walton's orders, because that's one area he really needs to develop as he really stinks at where he's naturally bad at. So far, result's been a mixed bag and I really dunno how far this experiment will last before the Lakers call it quits. A season? Maybe a couple? Honestly I think he's on a much shorter leash than other two Lakers projects.

What's really killing D'Angelo seems to be extremely poor shot selection (or perhaps lack of ability to create better shot opportunities). Thought playing under Kobe's guidance for a season would have helped him a bit in that department. His basketball IQ at the moment seems to be average at the best, therefore still remains a huge project.

Ingram's extremely dismal stats may be a big let down but I kinda like what I see from this kid. First, good and bad is that he is in a body of teenager, playing against best of the best in the world. He struggles to finish or create enough space to get a better look, hence poor %. Perhaps we can expect huge improvement if his body matures right. Good is that his passing instinct seems to be great and he has unselfish playing style like LBJ. And also he can get to the line at ease on penetration. Those are some quality assets to become a true star in this league. Now, the bad. He seems to be disengaged off the ball, walking around, stay frozen at one spot, doesn't try to make cut, meaning makes it tougher for teammates while making it easier for defense.

Overall, I might be stating the obvious but Ingram will most likely be the best player out of these 3 projects in 3 or 4 years.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:22 am

Q - They could've gotten veteran presence at a much cheaper rate, I think. The contracts look worse as the season progresses.

NovU - I agree with Ingram probably being the best of them all, you're right in regards to his body, he just needs to fill out I think to improve in a lot of areas. You also nailed it when saying he's a willing passer. Another plus of Ingram is that he's sound defensively, for a 19 year old kid to be one of the best defenders on the team already really makes me happy.

I think Walton makes Randle handle the ball as much as he does is to let him try and score in transition as much as possible, it's really toned down his bull in the china shop bullshit he did last year.

Randle, Russell and Clarkson are all terrible defensively though. Not even funny. Randle's weak ass picks piss me off too. Set a normal fucking screen. What's the point of setting a screen if you barely stand there long enough to absorb contact and it doesn't help your teammate at all?

So happy Junior is back, he is their best defensive player and he sets wicked screens. Wish he'd trust his shot more and consistently knock down the free throw line jumper they give him.

They have to be showcasing Lou-Will for a deadline trade. Then let Russell/Clarkson run wild, no reason Russell should be getting 23-25 minutes a game. He needs a fire lit under his ass too.

My complaints seem to come back to the same thing over and over again; effort. They are a young team and I don't understand why they seem so disengaged so often. There are nights where there is absolutely no fire in them, just going through the motions.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:43 am

Hasn't Walton been playing the hot hand when it comes to the guards pt in the 4th? Makes sense to not have entitlement minutes
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:58 am

air gordon wrote:Hasn't Walton been playing the hot hand when it comes to the guards pt in the 4th? Makes sense to not have entitlement minutes

100% agree with this. Still feels like Lou is being showcased though.

Stealth tank + Lou showcase is what my reaction was after the Kings game. They had 2 time outs left and a chance to set something up. No doubt Lou Will was hot all 4th but I think Walton was also fine not winning that game.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:43 pm

so who's going to play when russell and or clark struggle? calderon?? that almost sounds like a byron scott move

i agree with the overpay for veteran experience. if not for noah's contract, those 2 contract the 2 vets signed would be up there as the worst
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:27 pm

They play through their struggles. Scott would sit both Clarkson & Russell to play Ronnie fucking Price. Ensures the chances of them keeping the pick also this year.

Quite sad Kupchak was let go, I feel he was a good GM for the ball club. The last two contracts though - yeesh.

Rob Pelinka being named GM is something I have no opinion about yet, hear he's liked by other players and was Kobe's agent so let's see how that plays out.

Read some tidbits about Paul George wanting to play in LA, then again every big name agent has used LA as leverage the last few years. Glad Ingram wasn't traded for him though. Ingram & Russell (and Nance) are the only ones I wouldn't want LA to move yet.

Too bad Vivek didn't want Randle for Boogie. He's no Steph Curry/Klay Thompson hybrid alas.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:56 pm

So...if we keep our pick this year, any of you have any direction/knowledge regarding the players? Fultz/Ball & Jackson seem to be the top 3 names floating around.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:24 am

We don't really need another guard, but it would be cool to have the hometown kid Ball here

I've seen a video highlight on YouTube of Ball and his 2 brothers in high school nailing half court shots in game
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:32 am

Another guard? We've basically got Russell and Clarkson? Clarkson is suited to be the 6th man long term imo.

Which other guard do you think LA will have moving forward?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:55 am

I hate to see Clarkson pigeonholed into that 6th man role. I feel like he has the potential and desire for more.

Brandon Jennings was waived by new York. He would be a good pickup to see how he does with the youngsters

There's also no guarantee that Ball will leave. He might play it out and wait for his brothers to come to UCLA so they can all play together again

Is the pick top 3 protected again?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:34 am

They just traded Lou Will to get the youngins some playing time, no way Jennings is being brought on.

And why do you think that about Clarkson? I feel he's regressed since his rookie year. He's also atrocious on defense while being quite physically capable so I feel the 6th role is perfect for him. He's also 23-24 already, right. At least eldest of the bunch behind Jr.?

Yeah, have to get top 3, anything out of top 3 and the pick goes to Philly. :(
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Sauru on Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:58 am

i mean. we dont need a point guard either but i will be pissed if we pass on Fultz
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:40 pm

exactly, it's like Portland passing on MJ because they had Clyde. Simple rule to take the best player when you are at the top of the draft. Then trade for pieces later.

Recently, near the trade deadline, Russel has been talking like, he is not untouchable blah blah blah. Man, he has not shown he can be a real star in the league. So by all means Lakers, draft another PG.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Sauru on Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:11 pm

even if he was untouchable you draft the best player available and trade him as he would hold more value to other teams than the 3rd best player available. then again you can be like the magic and draft the best player available knowing you want the second best player and then trade with the 2 team so you get the player you actually want plus additional assets
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:57 pm

It's hard to judge Clarkson, but I feel that it was all really starting to click for him last year as a starter. he's now coming off the bench and getting less minutes, so I can't expect him to do better with less opportunities.

I forgot I first heard about the Ball brothers here
http://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=102883
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Sauru on Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:51 pm

the youngest has the worst fucking form. his shot looks so damn ugly. i mean it goes in so whatever but man is that shit ugly.
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