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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:40 am

interesting.

I mean if you feel this improvement he’s made thus far has sold you on him to be at least a 2nd all nba team selection (top 10 player. Is that superstar level for you?), at least you own it. You mentioned things that most rookies/young players have to endure/improve on but you haven’t specified what’s in his game that would make him a superstar.

You ranked Ingram ahead of Tatum. Tatum is already showing he can score the ball in a variety ways at a very efficient rate. >50% from 3pt land, TS% .648. That is ridiculous for a rookie wingplayer. Already a great base to build on for a player only 19yrs old.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:03 am

I think he can be second all NBA down the line, definitely. I can't quantify what will specifically make him a superstar, I guess it's a combination of his willingness to improve/drive and the leap he's already taken from his rookie season and my Laker fandom I suppose. A year ago I would've been happy with him being Tayshaun Prince, now I would want him to be more Giannis and less Tayshaun.

Tatum has been spectacular for sure, I wonder how Ingram would fare in the Boston system under Stevens. Tatum is very polished for a rookie, but I still feel/want to believe Ingram has it in him to be a top 10 player with his body type, versatility and work ethic.

There were off season stories about Lakers coaches banning him from the gym because he was in there too often. Last guy to work that diligently on his game for the Lakers turned out all right.

These kind of things are awesome to revisit in a good 4-5 years. How about you? Between Tatum & Ingram who do you think will be the better player down the road in said 4-5 years?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:04 am

Although I like Ingram's driving (which is good for this team since they have a hard time scoring at times) but when you start comparing him to other players his poor FT shooting definitely hurts and he's barely even the 5th best 3 point shooter on the team. But to be fair Tatum isn't asked to do much since they are a good team while Ingram has to do more, especially with the weak starting lineup
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:18 am

Ingram has that crutch of still being a 2nd year player/ being a high pick but i would say thus far the hype isn't the same as it was as the time he was being drafted. id like to see a bigger gap in improvement tbh.. Especially if you envision superstardom in his future

That’s a great positive to hear he puts in the work but show me something. Tyrus thomas tooks thousands of jump shots a day during one offseason and he still stunk.

There’s no shame in being a well rounded player but i haven’t seen the all important superstar skill.

A player like DSJ is highly rated because of his uber athleticism/ability to get to the rim and finish. Or Simmons with broke jump shot has pg abilities in PF frame/uber athlete.

Even Fultz who was an efficient scorer with a great pick and roll game.

Of course Tatum has the advantage of playing on a talented celtic team but to be fair to him his skillset actually expanded compared to his college game. Could be a case like KAT in kentucky where he was told only to play only in the lane. Regardless, his knack for scoring is legit.

Tatum vs Ingram? Tbh i don’t care. I just would like to see more out of ingram and impressed with what Tatum has done so far
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Re: Lakers Thread

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:39 am

We'll just have to wait and see. Ingrams got the ability to be the primary ball handler, he's capable of initiating the offense and will be the go to scorer for this team, I think he already is in many ways.

Ingram initiated the offense quite a bit last season. Let's see, I have high hopes for him.

And by gosh Nance had the dunk of the year for me last year with his jam over Lopez, and so far he has the dunk of the year over snake-man so far.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:33 am

if ingram is going to be the offense initiator/primary ball handler (and primarty scorer?), what about Ball’s role with the team?

Is Ingram in position to reach his potential with this team?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:14 am

Nah, he isn't going to be primary ball handler. I meant more that he's capable of being that.

Ball is definitely the offense initiator. Ingram can be fine. Russell/Durant and Bledsoe/Giannis worked. Hopefully Ball and Ingram can be mentioned in that same breath some day.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:57 pm

Was hoping to catch the end of the game when i got home tonight like i was doing in this last homestand. caught highlights instead and holy fuck kuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz caught fire
nice win and gave the rockets their first loss with cp3 in the lineup :cool:
was interesting and exciting to see the team without the two rentals for this season lopez and kcp
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:26 am

Seems like something's clicked for ball after he hit the smooth elbow jumper against I think the rockets. It's like a night and day difference. Everybody loved to talk about how he can't shoot but they aren't saying anything now that he's turned it around.

Lonzo Ball’s averages in his last five games:

17.2 points
7.2 rebounds
6.4 assists
1.2 blocks
1.2 steals
46.7 FG%
49.1 3PT%

He also leads the team in rebounding for the season as well
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:11 am

Man, I'm so glad KCP is on a one year. Dude tries hero ball a la Kobe and it's just brick after brick. Josh Harts solid defense also makes KCP seem even less attractive. He's better on the perimeter but Hart holds his own on switches on to bigs. He's fine whenever he's playing within the confines of the offense but once the game is on the line he just goes Kobe-trash mode.

No way in hell he's recuperating the amount of money he turned down in Detroit, that's for sure.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:28 am

Plus Hart always plays within his own skill set. He doesn't do more than he is capable of and is percentage wise a better 3 point shooter than kcp (obviously with less volume)
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:43 am

Too bad Ingram and ball got hurt. They seemed to be playing well
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:14 pm

Lakers are signing Gary Payton to a two- way deal. Hopefully he replaces Tyler Ennis in the lineup
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:17 am

It's shocking how bad this team looks without Ball & Ingram. They are basically a G-League team without those two.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:44 pm

So what do you say, lakers contingency? Lakers pay a visit to the windy city. Both teams have near identical records and most likely missing their starting pg's

Seems like the lakers or perhaps the media has moved on from the latest from that clown a few weeks back.

Haven't seen much of the lakers games. How's the rebuild going so far?

I half thought about starting up a lakers young big 3 vs the bulls young big 3 debate but thought otherwise due to the Homer factor
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:49 pm

Lonzo was such a big piece of the team and to lose him was too much at first. A huge losing streak but then looks like they've figured it out and play ennis less. And finally taking the reins off Clarkson and randle. I really like the way the team is playing right now. Everyone seems to have bought in.

For me it's bittersweet because randle and Clarkson could possibly be building their trade stock bit I'm hoping their contracts or the insistence on taking Deng is enough deterrence from getting them moved
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:50 pm

Do Lakers fans still think the team should go after Paul George? Looking at the Pacers, they are actually looking great despite losing someone of his superstar status and now in solid position to make the playoffs. I think you guys should pass but rather go Hinkie route for one more year unless other better FA shows up. I think Paul Geroge won't speed up the rebuilding process but hinder.

Might need one more season to figure out who are Lakers' Simmons/Embiid, keepers, and who are Nerlens and MCW, giveaways. Verdict on Ingram isn't out yet. But Lonzo's looking not too bad.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:34 pm

I mean, I like the group of guys right now and they'll be pretty good a couple years from now but a Max player will certainly help speed up the process. If it's Paul George specifically, I'm thinking he might just stay in okc unless if he's just a really good actor. They should go for a Max player if they can get one without mortgaging the future, I.e. renouncing randle.

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:49 am

PG has been hinting he's staying in OKC long term. Especially after WB sticking up for him big time.

Fuck it. Let these guys grow Warriors style. What else can they do? Don't pay Randle more than 15 million though.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:58 am

ingram looked good against the bulls.. overall they looked good. lakers have the guys to step up at the point while the bulls have... jerian grant lol. and the bulls really have no one to counter tall wing players.

i wouldn't put much stock into players making hints at this point of the season.

waiting for ball to get back already. had some good games before he got hurt
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:28 am

Another solid game by Ingram, 16-8-10 to end the night against the Nets. I really have high hopes for this kid. He's only 20. :o
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:14 pm

I really like the move of starting Hart and not playing that piece of hot garbage Ennis. Hart responds by giving the team exactly what the starting lineup needed. It goes to show that he really wasn't that good to begin with if he was starting but isn't playing over Caruso.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:56 am

I think Luke still lost us a couple of games due to his infatuation with Ennis. Ennis is terrible, that dude should be playing in China, not even the G-League.

Hart with another double double with rebounds after the stellar job in Brooklyn. What's the move when Ball comes back? Move Hart to the bench or KCP?

Julius is playing his ass off, he went head to head with Anthony and really made good use of his strength against him. Dude is going to get paid.

Ingram with another solid game of 16-5-5, have I mentioned I love that kid? Fantastic block on Anthony in the fourth too.

3-2 on the trip, not too bad of a showing with Ball basically being out all of January. Hopefully he recovers to the point where he can play pain free after the all star break.

Any trades/rumors you guys buy in to? If there was a market for KCP I wouldn't be opposed to offloading him. He takes some really questionable shots off screens, his defense is pretty overhyped and Hart's effort has sort of made KCP's game seem expendable.

It's fun watching Laker basketball again. Couldn't say that for a few years there.

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:17 am

I think they've found something with your boy running the point. I wouldn't mind Hart over KCP when ball comes back but that won't happen. Sucks to see Kuz kinda level off, but sure as hell glad to see Randle get his shit together and be the best big man on the team. He's arguably the best free throw shooter on the team now. But it makes me nervous that this great play is building trade value for him and Clarkson. Hopefully the Lakers are asking for too much and won't dump them for nothing this week.
Lopez has been jacking up less threes and is playing more in the post which helps.
When ball comes back, backup PG becomes an issue as Ingram starts and Luke is opposed to Clarkson at that spot. Could play Caruso which I don't mind but that's just less minutes for everyone else
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:24 pm

I do not know what is up with this trade rumor, looks like complete BS. Randle, Nance & Clarkson for an unnamed playerand possibly the Nets first pick from the Cavs.
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I share your dislike of Ennis. Caruso though exciting, is not that much better. I think the Lakers could do much better picking up a replacement at the trade deadline or free agency. KCP was given the assignment at point in some stretches. But I do not think he has shown he deserves the money he got last off-season.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:56 pm

I don't believe that rumor.

I don't recall KCP playing the point.

KCP was overpaid for a year, he won't be getting that amount by a long shot.

Edit: Here's a crazy one:

The proposed trade scenario looks something like this: Utah’s Favors and Hood, Sacramento’s Vince Carter and Garrett Temple, and Cleveland’s Channing Frye go to the Lakers; Cleveland’s Kyle Korver and the Los Angeles duo of Jordan Clarkson and Larry Nance Jr. head to the Jazz; the Lakers’ Brook Lopez and the Kings’ George Hill join the Cavaliers; and Jazz shooting guard Alec Burks and the Cavs’ Tristan Thompson and Iman Shumpert, plus Cleveland’s 2018 first-round draft pick, move to the Kings. Source.


That's a tough one. I think the spacing would be terrible with Favors/Randle. Rodney Hood as a 3&D player does seem super intriguing though. Think it's just some dude brainstorming but fun to speculate anyways. Has Favors overcome his injury issues?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:48 am

All those scenarios sounds just like fan speculation to me. Especially that last one that sounds way too complicated. It's hard enough getting two teams to agree to a trade, let alone three. There's no way Lakers would trade with Cleveland straight up as Frye seems to be their only expiring contract. I just want the deadline to pass already so we can finally put the rumors to rest and Clarkson and randle can just go out there and play ball without worrying about being traded.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:47 am

Bruce wrote:I do not know what is up with this trade rumor, looks like complete BS. Randle, Nance & Clarkson for an unnamed playerand possibly the Nets first pick from the Cavs.
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I just read this properly. Yeah, no way are the Lakers netting that Nets pick for those three guys. The Cavs won't be parting with that pick regardless, but have been hesitant to include it in Jordan, Walker and at the time PG/Bledsoe deals. Who even comes up with these trade ideas?

I'd be fine with the Lakers just keeping the team in tact, there's not much out there. I wouldn't mind moving Clarkson though, he's fine but a bit overpaid. I don't think Deng is moved ever without a stretch provision. Could really use an amnesty clause for his contract right now.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:19 am

Yeah that instagram account seems to be posting wild crazy shit for the likes and is nowhere near a credible news source
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:43 am

Favors looks good. even on back to backs. too bad he's on an expiring contract and plays next to gobert
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so what's the plan B if no success in getting James and/or George? and is Magic/Pelinka creating a bad culture for the coach and team?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:14 am

The smart move would be to save it for 2019 and not make a move just for the sake of making a move. Clarkson and Randle are clearly big time contributors so losing them to get a bigger name doesn't make the team better.

Letting KCP go and playing Hart in his place saves you money. Maybe resigning Lopez to a smaller or one year deal will help.

Add that to stretching Deng's contract out and they have a shot at next year as it seems they're losing out on this year's free agents
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:06 pm

heard a few national pods suggesting there is some turmoil behind closed door due to these possible Clarkson/Randle trade rumors. figured the lakers fans would have more insight on that....

so how does work out with keeping Clarkson and Randle and still have a shot @2019 free agents?

a shame KCP isn't working out. his skillset should've fit right in. maybe case of experienced pro not wanting to concede to a bunch of youngsters?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:12 pm

Another solid win by the young Lakers. Josh Hart has been a revelation in the starting line up. Those two hammer dunks by Ingram and Kuzma, yeesh.

Dunc'd podcast not even having Ingram in the top 10 young players to watch in the league. :shake:

The Lakers are already tempering fans expectations. James wasn't ever coming to the Lakers. PG has cooled significantly with his Laker love and with Melo and Russ I understand that.

Let the young team grow like the Warriors did with their young guys. Clarkson to me is still expendable. Hopefully Julius is willing to resign for 13-15 million max (which I heavily doubt, looking at you Dallas) but that would be ideal.

It's exciting basketball at least. Hopefully Ball is able to play more consistently next season and Ingram continues to grow and add stuff to his game. Hope that kid retires a Laker, not since Shaq have I been such a diehard for a player.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:51 am

if randle is kept at a reasonable salary, how does that work out with Kuzma?

get over the list, jackal. i hope you're weren't that one laker fan crying about it on the twitter haha. the free throw issues sheesh
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:52 am

Kuz gets more than enough minutes with Randle, when they play small ball he usually slides in to the 4 spot so I don't think that has a negative impact on him.

I think this is the only time I've mentioned the list besides when it first came out, was just mentioning how off base that pod was. I don't have Twitter so definitely not me.

With Lou Will signing for 3 more years in Clipper-land I wonder what Clarksons value is at the moment for an off the bench scorer?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:01 am

fair enough. jamal murray proving to be a pretty damn good offensive player. it would be nice if they revisit after the season instead of waiting until next year

isn't Kuzma pretty much a PF? looking at bbref lineups, he's the pf
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:34 pm

Yeah, probably should've used substitutes in at the 4 instead of slides to the 4 spot. It's usually a frontline of him and Nance Jr. off the bench.

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:14 am

Well, this Clarkson/Nance Jr. gives Maginka room for two max players now. I don't know who/how they hope to achieve that but I'll continue to enjoy this young bunch. Gonna miss Nance Jr., hope he kills with his insane dunks and does really well at the dunk contest.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:32 am

thoughts on getting the outspoken IT? already grabbing the headlines by asking to start.

you guys want to resign him, assuming he's healthy?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:57 am

IT doesn't seem too healthy right now, physically or mentally. I'm guessing he'll turn into a rental for the Lakers. Re-signing him would just interfere with their plans to go after bigger names.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:58 am

I could see IT and possibly randle as last resort signings if they lose out quickly on PG and LeBron. They better move quickly before randle gets lured by another team. I think this year definitely hurt IT's stock and his attitude isn't helping. If he's going to be a cancer, we should keep him away from the team so he doesn't affect chemistry
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:09 am

imo expectations were too high for him. the Cavs needed 2016 IT once he came back and that was wasn't realistic

he's a good piece but him wanting that overdue big contract complicates things. add to that Lonzo Ball and family drama. will be fun to watch that unfold
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:36 am

air gordon wrote:thoughts on getting the outspoken IT? already grabbing the headlines by asking to start.

you guys want to resign him, assuming he's healthy?


Fuck no. That dude needs a team built around him. He can't play defense to save his life and really was put in an ideal situation in Boston with the other four guys really covering for his lack of defense.

He's coming off an injury, needs the ball in his hands to be effective and seems to believe he's a superstar after one standout season. Two months max, then he can go seek his max contract from the Kings or some other team. His whole attitude just stinks. I get having a chip on your shoulder but he was most definitely the leak in that Cavs locker room and shitting on Love etc just isn't a good look for someone who isn't at all productive themselves. He needs to come back to earth. Hopefully with another team.

Frye on the other hand is intriguing. He's a sharpshooter and this team severely lacks shooting from distance.

Hopefully Nance's departure means Julius might just be retained. Let's see, Magic seems to be certain of something so let's see.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:30 pm

I think it needs not be said, but if there is a trade out there for IT and Deng for a quick salary dump, I am all for it.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:25 pm

Well, the deadline has passed, so that'll have to wait. Thomas is a free agent anyway, so he's easily off the books by the end of the year.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:38 pm

[Q] wrote:They better move quickly before randle gets lured by another team.

afaik Randle will be a restricted FA, Lakers can match any salary offered by another team if LA think it's worth it or let him go if another team is silly enough to max him, or rent him again for another year if Randle decides not to sign any new contract and just take the default qualifying offer.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:47 pm

They might renounce him early for the cap space and get burned so hopefully they'll hold on as long as they can. Or if someone like Dallas throws a ton of money early at him Lakers might concede to save they money
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Sauru on Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:36 pm

Jackal wrote:
air gordon wrote:thoughts on getting the outspoken IT? already grabbing the headlines by asking to start.

you guys want to resign him, assuming he's healthy?


Fuck no. That dude needs a team built around him. He can't play defense to save his life and really was put in an ideal situation in Boston with the other four guys really covering for his lack of defense.

He's coming off an injury, needs the ball in his hands to be effective and seems to believe he's a superstar after one standout season. Two months max, then he can go seek his max contract from the Kings or some other team. His whole attitude just stinks. I get having a chip on your shoulder but he was most definitely the leak in that Cavs locker room and shitting on Love etc just isn't a good look for someone who isn't at all productive themselves. He needs to come back to earth. Hopefully with another team.



this the shit i was saying all last year
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:38 pm

Andrew wrote:Well, the deadline has passed, so that'll have to wait. Thomas is a free agent anyway, so he's easily off the books by the end of the year.


I dont mean this year. I mean if somehow IT stick around a bit more. But if the Lakers just let IT walk away, that is also good. I think the only immediate goal for the Lakers is to get a close to .500 as possible to attract marquee free agents.

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this the shit i was saying all last year


I have always looked at IT as a fringe starter that had a good run. I do not think the Lakers really need him to start, just put up some good numbers and help the Lakers get some Ws. I hope IT shapes up or he will be out of the league soon.
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