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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:40 am

interesting.

I mean if you feel this improvement he’s made thus far has sold you on him to be at least a 2nd all nba team selection (top 10 player. Is that superstar level for you?), at least you own it. You mentioned things that most rookies/young players have to endure/improve on but you haven’t specified what’s in his game that would make him a superstar.

You ranked Ingram ahead of Tatum. Tatum is already showing he can score the ball in a variety ways at a very efficient rate. >50% from 3pt land, TS% .648. That is ridiculous for a rookie wingplayer. Already a great base to build on for a player only 19yrs old.
During opening introductions, Jordan Bell made curious gestures with his hands, which he admitted after the game were meant to symbolize rubbing money together. "I wanted to see how cash considerations was doing over there," Bell said.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:03 am

I think he can be second all NBA down the line, definitely. I can't quantify what will specifically make him a superstar, I guess it's a combination of his willingness to improve/drive and the leap he's already taken from his rookie season and my Laker fandom I suppose. A year ago I would've been happy with him being Tayshaun Prince, now I would want him to be more Giannis and less Tayshaun.

Tatum has been spectacular for sure, I wonder how Ingram would fare in the Boston system under Stevens. Tatum is very polished for a rookie, but I still feel/want to believe Ingram has it in him to be a top 10 player with his body type, versatility and work ethic.

There were off season stories about Lakers coaches banning him from the gym because he was in there too often. Last guy to work that diligently on his game for the Lakers turned out all right.

These kind of things are awesome to revisit in a good 4-5 years. How about you? Between Tatum & Ingram who do you think will be the better player down the road in said 4-5 years?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:04 am

Although I like Ingram's driving (which is good for this team since they have a hard time scoring at times) but when you start comparing him to other players his poor FT shooting definitely hurts and he's barely even the 5th best 3 point shooter on the team. But to be fair Tatum isn't asked to do much since they are a good team while Ingram has to do more, especially with the weak starting lineup
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:18 am

Ingram has that crutch of still being a 2nd year player/ being a high pick but i would say thus far the hype isn't the same as it was as the time he was being drafted. id like to see a bigger gap in improvement tbh.. Especially if you envision superstardom in his future

That’s a great positive to hear he puts in the work but show me something. Tyrus thomas tooks thousands of jump shots a day during one offseason and he still stunk.

There’s no shame in being a well rounded player but i haven’t seen the all important superstar skill.

A player like DSJ is highly rated because of his uber athleticism/ability to get to the rim and finish. Or Simmons with broke jump shot has pg abilities in PF frame/uber athlete.

Even Fultz who was an efficient scorer with a great pick and roll game.

Of course Tatum has the advantage of playing on a talented celtic team but to be fair to him his skillset actually expanded compared to his college game. Could be a case like KAT in kentucky where he was told only to play only in the lane. Regardless, his knack for scoring is legit.

Tatum vs Ingram? Tbh i don’t care. I just would like to see more out of ingram and impressed with what Tatum has done so far
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Sauru on Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:38 pm

i just wanted to come here and say how much i appreciate larry nance right now
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:39 am

We'll just have to wait and see. Ingrams got the ability to be the primary ball handler, he's capable of initiating the offense and will be the go to scorer for this team, I think he already is in many ways.

Ingram initiated the offense quite a bit last season. Let's see, I have high hopes for him.

And by gosh Nance had the dunk of the year for me last year with his jam over Lopez, and so far he has the dunk of the year over snake-man so far.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:33 am

if ingram is going to be the offense initiator/primary ball handler (and primarty scorer?), what about Ball’s role with the team?

Is Ingram in position to reach his potential with this team?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:14 am

Nah, he isn't going to be primary ball handler. I meant more that he's capable of being that.

Ball is definitely the offense initiator. Ingram can be fine. Russell/Durant and Bledsoe/Giannis worked. Hopefully Ball and Ingram can be mentioned in that same breath some day.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:57 pm

Was hoping to catch the end of the game when i got home tonight like i was doing in this last homestand. caught highlights instead and holy fuck kuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz caught fire
nice win and gave the rockets their first loss with cp3 in the lineup :cool:
was interesting and exciting to see the team without the two rentals for this season lopez and kcp
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:26 am

Seems like something's clicked for ball after he hit the smooth elbow jumper against I think the rockets. It's like a night and day difference. Everybody loved to talk about how he can't shoot but they aren't saying anything now that he's turned it around.

Lonzo Ball’s averages in his last five games:

17.2 points
7.2 rebounds
6.4 assists
1.2 blocks
1.2 steals
46.7 FG%
49.1 3PT%

He also leads the team in rebounding for the season as well
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:11 am

Man, I'm so glad KCP is on a one year. Dude tries hero ball a la Kobe and it's just brick after brick. Josh Harts solid defense also makes KCP seem even less attractive. He's better on the perimeter but Hart holds his own on switches on to bigs. He's fine whenever he's playing within the confines of the offense but once the game is on the line he just goes Kobe-trash mode.

No way in hell he's recuperating the amount of money he turned down in Detroit, that's for sure.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:28 am

Plus Hart always plays within his own skill set. He doesn't do more than he is capable of and is percentage wise a better 3 point shooter than kcp (obviously with less volume)
That point about switching is important because they switch on every screen
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:43 am

Too bad Ingram and ball got hurt. They seemed to be playing well
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:14 pm

Lakers are signing Gary Payton to a two- way deal. Hopefully he replaces Tyler Ennis in the lineup
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