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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:31 am

Lol so IT is a 2 month rental then, huh

I don’t get the criticism on “he needs the ball to be effective”. Last year he was the only player in BOTH top 10 of USG and TS%. Top 10 in TS% ahead of the likes of superstars Curry, Lebron James, James Harden.

And even Sauru will agree that Boston had with IT playing off the ball/ Horford running offense.

Frye is trash. he can hit a 3 but his rim protection stinks. leave him in there against the inferior teams sure.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:09 am

With Hart and Ball, is IT really a necessity? I say s&t during off season for a max wing or big.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:27 am

What's the market for him after this? Lou Will got 8 per year, he sure as heck won't be getting the max.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:45 am

Jackal wrote:What's the market for him after this? Lou Will got 8 per year, he sure as heck won't be getting the max.


I think it depends on how healthy he shows he is for the next two months. If he can get even close to his C's form, he could get around the 8-12 mil a year I believe. However, if he doesn't show signs of improvement (Still looks slow, lacks the first step), he won't touch 8 mil a year in my opinion.

Any guy that shoots sub 40% from the floor, while being one of (or the) worst defenders in the NBA, doesn't deserve a good contract.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:59 am

If he can't put together a decent stretch to end the season, IT could find himself in the same position Derrick Rose was last year, accepting whatever he can get - including league minimum - just to latch on somewhere.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:09 am

Yikes, minimum. I don't think he'll get the minimum, there are still enough out there teams that will offer him more than the minimum just in hopes of him regaining some of his old form.

Do the Magic have a PG right now after trading away Hair Payton? Could easily see a team like that offering him between 10-14 million just because..

Anyways, enough future IT plans. Looking forward to Sunday's matchup, always nice seeing old man Dirk a few times a year.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:54 am

Speaking of Payton, understandable Magic got rid of this young talent despite team going young. Inefficient long tall point guards that can't shoot seem to a common theme everywhere these days.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:34 am

hey dont be treading on my forum rights, i can discuss IT all i want haha

orlando should just tank and draft a pg. gee golly thats one team that has been in the lottery for several years but came away with only gordon as an asset

good get btw on the cavs 1st pick
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:24 am

Haha feel free, I was more speaking for myself. Last couple of posts from me were all IT related and the guy hasn't even played a game in Laker gear yet.

And even then I believe their whiteboard leak of a few years ago had Gordon being swapped for Saric I believe. Whoever their GM is, has to be on borrowed time.

The pick might just turn out to be the second best thing about this deal besides omg 2 max free agents cap space. It'll probably be on the late 20's but Jesse Buss and Ryan West have been pretty good at scouting/developing these young guys these last few years.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Sauru on Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:38 pm

I find it rather ironic that lavar ball kept saying that Boston shouldn’t draft lonzo because they already have a point guard and now that exact point guard will be backing up lonzo in LA not even a year later.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:55 pm

Ha I'm just saying... IT wasn't perceived as having a bad attitude until he put on a Cavs uniform

Mess with the big dog in Cleveland and you lose. It flies under the the radar when James says post game after a loss he would have more assists if his teammates would make shots while the booyah network and Cleveland media really created this narrative of IT being a cancer
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:32 am

Tough loss against the Mavs. Dirk keeps being Dirk 20 years later and Barrea always kills the Lakers it seems.

Good first half from IT, good shot selection and kept the ball moving. His defense is yikes though. He gets picked off picks easily and blown by quite frequently. The switching the Lakers do is gonna be tough when you've got IT guarding the opposing teams 4's and 5's.

The number 7 seemed to look fine on Nance Jr. but looks so odd on IT, I kept wondering why Lamar Odom's number was on this small dude.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:36 pm

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:01 pm

Out of interest (and mainly concern for my fantasy team) I looked it up and realized that Clarkson learned how to play and still produce buckets alongside high usage players like Kobe, Boozer, Nick Young, Jeremy Lin, Lou Williams, and D'Angelo Russell.

So maybe Clarkson will be fine playing with LeBron and also when Love gets back.
Alongside Rodney Hood even.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:36 am

Interesting. How are the minutes gonna be shared in Cleveland?

With Cedi Osman playing well, that is literally 5 guys fighting for minutes just at the SG/SF.

Osman
JR
Korver
Clarkson
Hood

George Hill has the PG position locked but Clarkson perhaps can also see minutes as a backup replacing Calderon. In small ball, all these guys can see minutes, but there are Nance and Jeff Green too. Right now it seems like a 11 man rotation, good for regular season but what is their best 8? A few guys will have to take a backseat at some point unless situation calls for it.

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:54 am

lol storm picture...

less arc on their 3pt shot- clarkson or draymond green?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:01 am

Enjoy Lonzo while you've got him.

LaVar Ball on his big plan how he's going to bring Lonzo, Melo and Gelo to one NBA team: “Lonzo will be on his 3rd year and I want let every NBA team know, that Lonzo is not going to resign with the Lakers, but will go to any team, that will take all of my three boys.”
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:21 pm

ugh, just shut uo LaVar, it's not like Lonzo has established himself in the league. On the other hand, maybe this will be a good chance to off-load Deng's contract. lol
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:06 pm

Stop making stupid people famous.

If the media quits shoving a mic in this guy's face and people stop spreading his nonsense, his nonsense will just be out there affecting/reaching no one.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:18 pm

Wishful thinking, sadly. The Lakers need to stand firm against it though, and put him in his place. At some point, Lonzo's also going to have to grow up and take control of his own career. If this is still going on in a few years, I can't see his teammates having any respect for him. Easier said than done, but he has to realise he's in the NBA now. He's his father's meal ticket; he actually holds the balance of power these days.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:37 pm

I think the Lakers have handled Lonzo's dad perfectly. They don't address him/pay any attention to his nonsense. I think the only time they sort of addressed it is when Maginka came out in support of Luke.

He's just trying to get his other two sons set up for lif. He'll say anything to achieve that. According to him Lonzo wouldn't play for any other team but the Lakers, now he'll play for anyone who takes the other two as well. He's much like Trump in that regard.

I try not to pay any attention to him, he's not part of the Lkers.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jeffx on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:53 am

Jackal wrote:He's much like Trump in that regard.


...and the Kardashians too.....self-promoting, attention whores.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Sauru on Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:29 pm

lol forcing the lakers to draft the 2 shit sons. want to keep lonzo you will draft these trash ass kids of mine
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:30 pm

On the other hand, it would be good for the tanking, lol.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:56 pm

I suppose there's wisdom in just ignoring LaVar and letting him indulge his reality show-like fame, but I think it does get to a point - like it did when he criticised Walton - where you need to make a stand and a statement. I still also think Lonzo will need to put on his big boy pants at some point and be his own man, in control of his own destiny and respectfully distanced from his father and his arrogantly stupid remarks. If he's in his mid 20s and still acting like a mewling man child while Daddy runs his mouth about his coach, his teammates, and the front office, no one in the locker room is going to respect him or take him seriously as a leader.

In any event, regardless of public statements or private admonishment, I doubt the Lakers will kowtow to LaVar. I'd say everyone in the front office has more dignity and self-respect than that. As for Lonzo, right now it's a matter of healing up and staying healthy. It's 19 games and counting that he's missed so far in his rookie campaign.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:55 pm

I doubt the Lakers will kowtow to LaVar. I'd say everyone in the front office has more dignity and self-respect than that.

Ball brothers to the Knicks it is then.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:06 pm

I think the Lakers should try to just brainwash LaVar and use him as a mouth piece to do some tampering for the off-season. lol
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:18 pm

Bruce wrote:I think the Lakers should try to just brainwash LaVar and use him as a mouth piece to do some tampering for the off-season. lol

Like that idea. Wonder if he would scare away those targets though. But it is not like they have much to lose at this point. :mrgreen:
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:09 am

Lakers have been ass on defense in back to back games now. Down 23 in the first just shouldn't happen. They were 3rd in defensive efficiency during the 12-4 stretch.

What the fuck was with all the techs this game? Refs want 0 emotions out there, damn. Whistle happy much?

I hope Ball comes back after the all star break and the group picks up defensively again. Last two outings have been piss poor effort on that end.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:11 am

Officiating has been pretty woeful this year. When a coach can get T'd up for yelling at his own player, you know they're far too trigger happy on that call. The best thing you can say about the officiating is that pretty much every team has been hit by it at one point or another this season.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:14 am

It's crazy though. Double tech on IT and Rondo. Then Rondo doesn't leave the court = tech. Rondo doesn't leave the court so IT keeps word vomiting = tech.

Kuzma jumps up and runs away after an iffy call = tech. Luke was already fuming about the previous techs double tech gtfo. Seriously?

The league needs to address this shit at some point.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:24 am

That's what bugs me about Silver. Under his watch, the league is making changes to things like uniform designations and nomenclature, or considering crazy ideas like implementing a four point line in the All-Star game, but they're not addressing some long-standing issues with officiating. Whether it's referees being too hot-headed and willing to give out technical fouls over nothing, inconsistent calls, or problematic rules, there's stuff that needs to be looked at before uniforms and the like.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:03 am

steve javie needs to put the zebra stripes back on. really, coaches and players knew to zip it when he was officiating

bad officiating and players/coaches complaining is a viscious cycle.

Quinn Snyder or was it the Utah GM who would take video footage of "missed calls" against Jazz players and send it to the league. that seems like a great idea the teams all should try instead of all the bithcing and moaning on the court.

while there are some bad calls, it's really embarassing that the players and coaches bitch so often.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:30 am

Andrew wrote:That's what bugs me about Silver. Under his watch, the league is making changes to things like uniform designations and nomenclature, or considering crazy ideas like implementing a four point line in the All-Star game, but they're not addressing some long-standing issues with officiating. Whether it's referees being too hot-headed and willing to give out technical fouls over nothing, inconsistent calls, or problematic rules, there's stuff that needs to be looked at before uniforms and the like.


Man, the uniforms bug me so much. I think the Lakers have worn their away purple like 4-5 times this year. I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. If it ain't broken..

while there are some bad calls, it's really embarassing that the players and coaches bitch so often.


This is so very true. You don't need to bark after every god damn call. Just play. I think Jokic (or someone else?) recently said I'm just going to stop doing it. It has no effect, they don't change the call and it just negatively impacts the game. What also irritates me is how much the refs let slide with some players and some others can't say shit. The amount of bullshit Draymond Green spews off that dude should be ejected every game. Boogie got a scowl? Tech.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:37 am

Jackal wrote:Lakers have been ass on defense in back to back games now.

That's what happens when you trade a defensive stud like Clarkson. :cry:

Man Lakers were on pace to contend for a playoff spot before these last two losses lol
Would it have killed anyone to just roll the dice with the group we had? Especially with Ball coming back eventually, it would've been a bonus on top of the great play we had been seeing

I guess a positive has been kuz's resurgence now that Nance isn't taking his playing time
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:08 am

Was the latest magic tampering fine legit this time??

And is majinka a real nickname in laker nation?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:28 am

Lol Clarkson and defensive stud. That's funny.

Who the heck knows. Magic being fined has become so routine it seems.

No idea about Laker nation, heard it on the LFR podcast once and it just stuck for me.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:49 am

No excuses for the last game, but Clarkson and his height is better suited for the Lakers switching everything on defense than IT
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:49 pm

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Man, the uniforms bug me so much. I think the Lakers have worn their away purple like 4-5 times this year. I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. If it ain't broken..


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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:59 pm

Yeah, it's weird.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:35 am

maginka. strange to me.

no win but you guys got to see the purple uni's

Twolves are great at home. Buckets and Jamal, baby!
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:07 am

Samn, Jimmy and Jamal roasted their asses.

Q I'll agree on that, holy balls is Thomas terrible on defense, my god. He isn't making up for it on the offensive end shooting 3/15 with 5 turnovers either. Was a winnable game.

At least I got to hear Kevin Harlan orgasm over Zubac.

No way in hell should IT be brought back. That guy went from max money (by desperate teams) to under 10 million so fast.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:00 am

lol not even 5 games in and your mind is made up. i hope he latches on to a team that has the patience to let him actually rehab. imagine if he returns to form and some team picked him up on a 2yr contract.

KAT got held in check for the most part. thought LA had that one then boom, Jamal heats up and Buckets closed it out. Wow. great close out game before the all star break
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:22 am

Will any amount of rehab really help his inability to play in a defensive system that relies heavily on switching?

I hope he's the Bulls starting PG after this season.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:46 am

Jackal wrote:Samn, Jimmy and Jamal roasted their asses.

Q I'll agree on that, holy balls is Thomas terrible on defense, my god. He isn't making up for it on the offensive end shooting 3/15 with 5 turnovers either. Was a winnable game.

At least I got to hear Kevin Harlan orgasm over Zubac.

No way in hell should IT be brought back. That guy went from max money (by desperate teams) to under 10 million so fast.

That's why I wasn't sad that dlo was traded because he is the same type of player that shoots you out of a game and we had drafted another pg to replace him. Plus, the added bonus of unloading Moz for an expiring contract
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:37 am

good question, jack
IT on a 2 year near MLE dollar amount with the 2nd year being a team option? i'm in
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:36 am

I mean, as a last resort yes if LeBron, pg, etc all spurn the Lakers
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:21 am

I think Lakers should buy out Thomas. He is a drama queen that brings 0 defense and might have lost his offense.
Right now, he can only hurt them by adding dysfunctionality off the court and on the defensive end. Basically, when you have Thomas on your team you have to add 1 defensive scheme for all the time he is on he court...

Then again, I am no Lakers fan so they can give him the Brinks truck as far as I am concerned. :mrgreen:
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:32 am

Thing is, he's a free agent at the end of the season. They can just let him walk if things don't get better.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:51 am

Andrew wrote:Thing is, he's a free agent at the end of the season. They can just let him walk if things don't get better.


Yeah, even more reason to cut him. :cheeky: The way I see it, they have 2 trouble makers now. Lavar and Thomas. Lavar wont go anywhere. :mrgreen: The other, you just have to let him go.
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