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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:42 am

conflicting reports on the cheap shot speculation now. i'm not sure if an 8 game suspension is enough or too much. from the articles, it sounds like the bulls followed league protocol and contacted the league front office in the matter

at the least portis should be forced to wear a protective mask as long as he's on the team/Niko has to wear the mask.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:15 pm

air gordon wrote:conflicting reports on the cheap shot speculation now. i'm not sure if an 8 game suspension is enough or too much. from the articles, it sounds like the bulls followed league protocol and contacted the league front office in the matter

at the least portis should be forced to wear a protective mask as long as he's on the team/Niko has to wear the mask.

I don't know how there can be conflicting reports when multiple eyewitnesses all described it as a sucker punch.
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According to multiple witnesses, Portis and Mirotic had a heated confrontation in practice, resulting in an apparent shoving match. Portis, however, took it a step further, landing what was deemed a “sucker punch’’ to Mirotic’s face.

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According to several witnesses, tensions heightened between Portis and Mirotic during a competitive scrimmage. Several words were exchanged over trips up and down the court. Some shoving escalated matters and Mirotic once moved in Portis' direction. And then Portis landed the lone punch, which placed Mirotic on the ground for several minutes before his hospital trip.


In fact, the only one who is saying it wasn't is Paxson with his statement on how "Both players owned responsibility in the incident itself," (Sounds similar to something a certain Orange leader said about another violent incident recently? Yep.) and....well, we know how much we can trust the bs that comes out of his mouth. Did you see his justification for the Bell trade? "Needed to build equity with owners" :roll:

On more positive notes, we actually scored over 100 points and didn't lose by 20+. That's practically a win with this team. I'll take it.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:25 pm

Is Portis even that talented or a player with good potential for Bulls management to look the other way for what he did and just give him a slap on the wrist? Asking you Bulls fans.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:27 pm

shadowgrin wrote:Is Portis even that talented or a player with good potential for Bulls management to look the other way for what he did and just give him a slap on the wrist? Asking you Bulls fans.

Imo not even close. I think he's a scrub and have no idea why a majority of the fanbase have been saying crap like "Free Portis" since he got drafted. He's a player who tries to do a bit of everything but isn't particularly good at any one thing. Again, I would've just used the incident to cut him and get his salary off the books.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:52 pm

I think there's some talent and potential there, but certainly not enough to not come down harder on him. In fact, I would suggest that even if he was better with even greater potential, there'd still be no excuse for them going easy on him. You don't want to tolerate those actions from anyone, and if you're talking about a young player that you hope will mature into a key player for the team, it's something you need to address and make clear right now.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:34 pm

Tomato tomaato, valor haha. To me if they were already getting physical and then Portis clocked Niko when Niko approached him- it's not a cheap or sucker punch. But hey I'm not condoning the behavior

Free Bobby Portis is just ok. He is agile for his size but just average hops/explosiveness. There were a lot of reports of him putting a lot work in the off season. Didn't have a good preseason and now this. Yeesh.

Missed the game. How did markkenan look?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:49 pm

Andrew wrote:I think there's some talent and potential there, but certainly not enough to not come down harder on him. In fact, I would suggest that even if he was better with even greater potential, there'd still be no excuse for them going easy on him. You don't want to tolerate those actions from anyone, and if you're talking about a young player that you hope will mature into a key player for the team, it's something you need to address and make clear right now.


Can anybody remember a similar instance in history where a player punched another player in practice, and what the suspension was? I know I heard of Garnett and Wally (No suspension), but I think that was equal fault on both of them. I know Thomas and Laimbeer got into it in practice, but again I think that may have been equal aggression on both sides.

Also, now that we are at the height of social media, it's harder to hide these squabbles that happen in practice and off the court.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:54 am

MJ and Kerr are the obvious example to bring up here in the Bulls thread. From recollection, MJ was thrown out of practice, and told to apologise to Kerr. It wasn't quite as bad a scuffle, they patched things up, and there was no further punishment (at least in terms of suspension). As you noted, it happens. It's not a proud moment, but it does happen, and usually it hasn't been anywhere near this bad.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:03 am

Sad that I forgot about that one.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:07 am

Well, it was over twenty years ago, and we're getting ancient. Pretty soon, I'll start forgetting about benchwarmers from the 90s.

That's a lie. Who could ever forget about Marty Conlon?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:52 am

Andrew wrote:Who could ever forget about Marty Conlon?

Beast.

Kobe and Samaki Walker threw hands in practice as well, no suspension iirc.

Was a sucker punch too from Kobe.

Walker said the Lakers players would put down $100 each in a pot on whoever could make a half-court shot first. After a road trip to Cleveland, Bryant won the half-court contest one day and Walker expected that he would have 48 hours to pay up his share of the pot.

“It wasn’t even 48 hours, Kobe comes to me on the bus, asking me where his $100 is, believe it or not,” Walker said. “Out of all the people, he chose me, which is still to this day puzzling. I told him, ‘Man, I don’t have no $100 on me right now. First of all, why are you coming at me for $100?’ With that being said, I put my earphones back on, and once I put my earphones back on, the most amazing thing happened. Kobe, he sucker punched me.”

The hit resulted in a black eye. Walker asked head coach Phil Jackson to stop the bus and wanted to take the fight outside before Bryant declined. Jackson called it an isolated incident between Walker and Bryant and nothing drastic.

Walker went to add that he and Kobe are still friends.


tbf both were in the wrong there, Kobe for the sucker punch bitch move and Samaki for the dick move of not paying a bet.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:02 pm

air gordon wrote:Tomato tomaato, valor haha. To me if they were already getting physical and then Portis clocked Niko when Niko approached him- it's not a cheap or sucker punch. But hey I'm not condoning the behavior

Well, NBA fights are usually pushing and shoving anyways, I doubt anybody expected a punch to the face with enough force to shatter someone's bones will be involved so yes, it was a sucker punch imo.

If I recall correctly, Phil kinda instigated the whole MJ and Kerr thing by giving Steve every call. Being the classy guy that he is, lil Stevie apologised for getting a black eye from MJ, which is incredible :lol:

shadowgrin wrote:tbf both were in the wrong there, Kobe for the sucker punch bitch move and Samaki for the dick move of not paying a bet.

Agreed. Both uncalled for.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:25 pm

Valor wrote:Did you see his justification for the Bell trade? "Needed to build equity with owners" :roll:

On more positive notes, we actually scored over 100 points and didn't lose by 20+. That's practically a win with this team. I'll take it.

Just getting caught up with this.

Pax admitted they only scouted 5 players for the 2nd round and also even admitted they have limited scouting resources. Smh Piss poor management

More losses to come like that one. Bulls lack of shot creators and that 2nd qtr lineup was on full display

Oh well on to the next one
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:09 pm

You'd think a team that is as profitable as the Bulls would have the resources to scout more extensively. But yeah, what else can we say about management at this point?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:52 am

Haha yes they are checking off all the boxes

Sadly the team could use a veteran playmaker like Rondo. Grants not a starting pg
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:19 am

So an extensive article was just published on ESPN detailing the main points and some of the behind the scene stuff that's happened in the past few shit filled seasons for the Bulls, here's my summary of the article...

1. For a while there Butler got a big head and started to clash with some established leaders of the team (Noah), alienated himself from the core group too.
2. They actually blamed Thibs for failing to beat Lebron's Cavs in the second round, when we weren't even supposed to be in the second round with all the injuries.
3. GarPax wanted to micromanage coaching.
4. GarPax wanted credit for "providing Thibodeau with rosters full of professional players." - You're kidding me right? What else were they going to provide him with? College players? :facepalm2:
5. Forman thought Hoiberg was going to be 1.) an offensive guru, 2.) a great communicator, and 3.) Steve Kerr 2.0. - None of which are even remotely close to happening.
6. Team culture, work ethic, competitiveness completely disappeared after Thibs got fired.
7. GarPax had no idea wtf they were doing when they signed Wade and Rondo after saying they wanted to get younger and more athletic, but tried to spin it as their original plan.
8. Gibson was the glue that held the team together post-Noah, and they traded him away for peanuts soon after.
9. "The Bulls ended up paying Wade close to $39 million for one season" - When they put the numbers up like that...Yikes.
10. Hoiberg has no bloody clue what he's doing "would we have handled the situation differently? Maybe. I don't know." (Regarding the punch)
11. Paxson doesn't have a clue either "Paxson acknowledges that the situation is "unprecedented" but affirms the organization will stand behind both players." - Even though the relationship is reportedly unrepairable. Okay John.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:48 am

It goes to show how important leadership, atmosphere, and culture is. GarPax seem to subscribe to the notion that being in charge means absolute power, that the main point of being in their position is to boss others around and have them be subservient lapdogs. That's not leading, and it certainly doesn't allow the head coach to be a leader, either. That said, I don't think Hoiberg is cut out to coach at the NBA level. Granted, he's not in a great position with the organisation being so dysfunctional, but like you said, he doesn't seem like the guru that was promised.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:49 pm

I'm feeling a little optimistic about Markkanen. The shooting percentages leave something to be desired (though he shot a respectable percentage against the Cavs today), but the scoring talent and range on his jumpshot are there, and he's also getting a decent amount of rebounds. Early days and it remains to be seen if someone picked lower won't turn out to have been a better choice in retrospect, but there's promise there. Something to like, amidst the gloom.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:25 am

that's the most non joe cowley anti bulls article from a chicago beat guy

out of curiosity- how would you think hoiberg would fare if he was coaching the bulls when Rose & Noah were healthy??

"We had 60-win seasons," Noah says. "We would go into summers, like, really believing that we could win a championship. That's rare. ... So yeah, I miss that grind with those guys, believing that we had a shot of winning a championship. That was the best. Believing that you can win a championship is the best."

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Marrkanen. yessir
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:21 am

I think he'd have still been a disappointment. Having a healthier team with all the talent on the floor might've notched a few more wins by default, but I think he's a bust as an "offensive guru", the defense would likely still be lacking, and he'd probably still lose the locker room because he doesn't command the same respect that Thibs did. My take is that he may be a fine college coach, but he's not cut out for the NBA.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:01 am

its an interesting what if scenario.

hoiberg may not be an offensive guru but keep in mind with the current garbage roster- bulls have hit 100 points 2 of 3 games so far. journeyman holiday is @18ppg.

small sample size yes but i would be optimistic if he was given legit talent to run his system
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:54 pm

First win of the season is in the books.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:45 pm

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:46 am

we're running hoiberg's offense in my rec league.

hoiberg for COTY :crazy:

bulls are bad but that ATL team is terrible with no schroder and ilyasova. Markannen shot was broke. lol i'm still surprised he can get to the basket and finish
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:41 pm

We've been 21st in offensive rating in the past two seasons under Hoiberg. Under Thibs we were top 10. That's Hoiberg's credentials as an "offensive guru"...

In other hilariously depressing news, GarPax just showed off their "genius" once again by picking up the team option for Cameron Payne

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:03 pm

Talk about the sunk cost fallacy. That they'd pick up his option after it's abundantly clear he's a bust boggles the mind.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:16 am

and ranked 6th & 15th in defRtg ;)

i'm just saying. i'm not particularly fond of hoiberg but i would like to give him a fair chance. from what i've seen in the preseason and few games, his offense favors pace, 3pt shooting, and ball movement... opposite of wade and butler's skills.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:02 am

What constitutes a fair chance at this point? I don't feel particularly patient at this point when it comes to Hoiberg, but it is fair to say that he hasn't had the three-point shooters he's needed.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:04 pm

Your lack of faith in Paul Zipser is disturbing.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:52 pm

Hey now, who's hating on The Big Zipper?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:03 pm

air gordon wrote:and ranked 6th & 15th in defRtg ;)

i'm just saying. i'm not particularly fond of hoiberg but i would like to give him a fair chance. from what i've seen in the preseason and few games, his offense favors pace, 3pt shooting, and ball movement... opposite of wade and butler's skills.

Well, good coaches should adjust according to their players' skillsets, shouldn't they? Big knock on Phil was he was trying to force triangle on the Knicks when they had no players with decent basketball IQ to run it, and big knock on Mike D'Antoni was he only runs one system no matter what, even when they had Shaq. Hoiberg should've adjusted and catered his offense around Butler while he was still here. That immediately tells me he's not a good coach.

Plus, this is his third season. Vinny Del Negro only got two despite winning pretty much the same amount of games (and we even had excitement in the playoffs - Bos Chi series) while Thibs despite winning big every season got canned after just 5 years. How long is long enough?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:58 am

fair points. i think the blame goes on management not Hoiberg. they brought him in for his offensive scheme but have hamstrung him with a roster that doesn't fit his scheme. you hire a sushi chef to make sushi, not make pasta.

as we all know, Garpax said they would go young and athletic and proceeded to sign Rondo and Wade.

the cards were stacked against hoiberg since he was hired. thibs shadow and now he has the garbage roster.

and hoiberg did adjust his schemes, opting to use a lot of sets Thibs used during his tenure. i would say it was testament on how good Butler is that this team was .500 despite being near bottom in 3pt shooting and forcing TO's.

and let's be honest. i dont think any coach can get last year's roster past the 1st round and this roster to even win 40% of their games this year. you can fire hoiberg and bring some other guy in but that's not going to move the needle significantly.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:21 am

A mess all around, as noted previously. I suppose as long as they're only in shape to show up and lose a lot of games, there's no sense replacing Hoiberg.
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Postby air gordon on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:51 am

Andrew wrote:What constitutes a fair chance at this point? I don't feel particularly patient at this point when it comes to Hoiberg, but it is fair to say that he hasn't had the three-point shooters he's needed.

sorry missed this earlier..

3pt shooting, ball movement, and pace. been missing out on this.

to answer the question, i don't know. i haven't watched the games in much detail and i'm not sure you can draw much from games like the ones against OKC. this roster blows and their already thin offense looks very bad against athletic teams that can switch like OKC.

i guess as long the team "tries" and Markannen continues to develop i wont be overly critical of Hoiberg.

maybe when lavine comes back and the NIko situation is resolved, fire hoiberg can be revisited ;)
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Postby Andrew on Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:28 am

At this stage, he might as well just rack up losses. It could be a situation similar to the Baby Bulls where once they start getting some talent and the roster takes shape, he ends up getting replaced with someone else. I'm not that eager to give him the Brett Brown treatment at this time.
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Postby Valor on Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:04 am

air gordon wrote:fair points. i think the blame goes on management not Hoiberg. they brought him in for his offensive scheme but have hamstrung him with a roster that doesn't fit his scheme. you hire a sushi chef to make sushi, not make pasta.

as we all know, Garpax said they would go young and athletic and proceeded to sign Rondo and Wade.

the cards were stacked against hoiberg since he was hired. thibs shadow and now he has the garbage roster.

and hoiberg did adjust his schemes, opting to use a lot of sets Thibs used during his tenure. i would say it was testament on how good Butler is that this team was .500 despite being near bottom in 3pt shooting and forcing TO's.

And all these are reasons why we've been screaming for GarPax's heads for years now :wink:

air gordon wrote:and let's be honest. i dont think any coach can get last year's roster past the 1st round and this roster to even win 40% of their games this year. you can fire hoiberg and bring some other guy in but that's not going to move the needle significantly.

I got one for you....Tom Thibodeau :lol: Probably would win close to 50 games and taken the team to the second round tbh, none of that "leadership" drama in the locker room from last season would've happened under Thibs too. As for the Portis-Mirotic thing? Forget it. As soon as they start chirping and pushing Thibs would've thrown them out after making them run suicides. Hoiberg is soft, Thibs is a drill sergeant.
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Postby air gordon on Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:39 am

Thibs huh haha? i'm sure GarPax would find a way to steal credit or undermine him by either sending Portis to punch him out *too soon?* or choke thibs out del negro style.

i was quite satisfied with the loss vs Miami. some good stretches of play... especially in the 3rd qtr, Markkanen had some plays in the post, nwaba active on both ends. dunn is flawed but plays very aggressive and fearless.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:56 am

Yeah there are positives for sure, Markkanen has been terrific. Flawed, but still terrific and one of the lone bright spots of this team. His shot will go as the season wears on (rookie wall) but long term looks legit. Hopefully Dunn can live up to his pre-draft potential but I think we can all agree that Grant (or Payne for that matter) are just not going to cut it in the NBA.

So how about this potential deal??
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Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:36 am

I'd pull the trigger on it. The question is, are the Suns really that committed to being dysfunctional and stupid? If so, maybe GarPax can get them to pull a GarPax.
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Postby air gordon on Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:56 am

lol im hearing a lot of bad stories on PHX's management/owner.

i'd like to see the dunn-grant-holiday-lauri-lopez-lauri lineup get more run
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Postby Andrew on Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:48 am

2-9 to start. Hawks and Mavericks are bottoming out much better, though.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:12 am

watch any of the games lately? missed the last 2 and tbh dont want to bother watching the replay
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Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:52 am

I haven't caught any so far. ESPN Australia hasn't picked any up, and I don't have League Pass at the moment. I don't think I could stomach it even if I had the opportunity, though. Rare highlights from the Bulls' official social media accounts will suffice. Watching a whole game seems like it would be pure torture.
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Postby air gordon on Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:59 am

ha dont judge til you've watched a game

tbh If Markkanen is not playing, i will pass. also waiting for Nwaba to come back.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:30 am

Well, it remains to be seen whether I'll even get the opportunity, at this point. I suppose I'd have to tune in at least once.
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Postby NovU on Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:35 am

air gordon wrote:also waiting for Nwaba to come back.

I feel sorrow and despair of this year's Bulls fans reading this. Nwaba is a player to watch, lolz, you can't blame anyone for not watching the Bulls game this year.
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Postby air gordon on Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:46 pm

Ha and who picked him up in on our fantasy league?

I'll be picking up a nwaba Jersey t.
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air gordon wrote:Ha and who picked him up in on our fantasy league?

Explains why I feel sorrow and despair looking at my roster this year.
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Postby air gordon on Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:46 am

your clear and concise reply is appreciated

I wonder if this Ports-Niko thing would be handled different on another team. Niko is at "practice" but away from the team and on an exercise bike while. meanwhile Portis is back and from the reports is doing well. so the dude who got knocked active but not even practicing with his team while the guy who knocked him out is playing and playing well.
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Postby Valor on Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:02 pm

air gordon wrote:I wonder if this Ports-Niko thing would be handled different on another team. Niko is at "practice" but away from the team and on an exercise bike while. meanwhile Portis is back and from the reports is doing well. so the dude who got knocked active but not even practicing with his team while the guy who knocked him out is playing and playing well.

Seeing as Paxson admitted that there’s no plan to get the two teammates in the same space to reconcile anything. and the onus to reconcile is on Mirotic, the victim, I'd say it would be handled differently on any other professional team. This is straight up pathetic.

Also, this quote from Portis is absolutely disgusting.
I’m a normal guy. I’m a guy that’s a high character guy, low maintenance guy. I’d welcome him in with open arms,” Portis said.

Really? You'd welcome him with open arms? Was that before or after you broke his face with a sucker punch that landed him in the hospital. High character? You blamed him not responding to your "efforts" to "reach out" after you broke his jaw cause you know, he literally couldn't speak at the time. What a fucking bitch.
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