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Postby air gordon on Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:23 am

yay! looks like they're finally rejoining the nba :D

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-winningbulls&prov=ap&type=lgns
During opening introductions, Jordan Bell made curious gestures with his hands, which he admitted after the game were meant to symbolize rubbing money together. "I wanted to see how cash considerations was doing over there," Bell said.
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Postby Full Surface on Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:58 am

8th seed, it's possible.
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Postby air gordon on Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:43 am

it's possible, but i'm not drinking that kool-aid... yet :wink:
During opening introductions, Jordan Bell made curious gestures with his hands, which he admitted after the game were meant to symbolize rubbing money together. "I wanted to see how cash considerations was doing over there," Bell said.
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Postby John-John Joe on Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:06 am

Hehehe...... can't lie Crawford, even though it's dissing my boy the pic is downright hilarious: (sorry to get off topic guys, I'll make sure to weigh in later)

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Postby Full Surface on Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:19 pm

Kobe's been getting booed a lot lately.
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Postby Amphatoast on Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:03 pm

bulls beat the pistons, make it 5 in a row :shock:
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Postby John-John Joe on Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:39 pm

refuze wrote:Kobe's been getting booed a lot lately.


Yeah, he sure has. Sometimes I wonder if he'll ever feel the love again....

Now, we've talked quite enough about Kobe to last us three full seasons, this is about the Bulls. You know who my fav Bull is? That kid Nocioni, what a tough, smart player. Let the haters hate, in about 2 years the Bulls will be what the Wizards are now. Young, energetic and talent out of this world.

Skiles is fabulous with the X's and O's and seems to be able to walk that fine line between discipline and raising the young pups. This is the first season in a long time that I can actually say that the Bulls are a pleasure to watch. Andres Nocioni, Andres Nocioni, Andres Nocioni, Andres Nocioni, Andres Nocioni!!! I LOVE that kid!
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Postby Matthew on Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:47 pm

yay! looks like they're finally rejoining the nba

Limp I told you they were the Miami of last season :proud:

I wonder why duhon continues to start?
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Postby Matt on Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:33 pm

everyone seems to be picking on the Pistons :(

never thought i'd ever live to see another 5 game winning streak by the Bulls in my life. Guess this year has been full of surprises
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Postby Andrew on Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:01 pm

After the 0-9 start and wins peppered here and there, the first win in the streak was nice by itself. Extending it to five and counting (there's the jinx, right there) is so much sweeter. Part of me is thinking hanging around and making a push for the 8th spot, especially with a lot of home games in the near future, but I feel it's still a little early to be confident about something like that. Nevertheless, it's fantastic to see them playing so well (hopefully some PonTels will arrive soon and I will actually see them playing well) and they've certainly got a chance to continue their run and put themselves in position to set higher goals (again, jinx alert).
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Postby Matt on Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:13 pm

I think Chicago is looking at 10th spot by the end of the season at best.
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Postby matmat8 on Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:44 pm

8th seed would be a surprise but a good one.
I think Skiles is doing the right thing with the team. It's a young core but with good fundamentals and university experience (duhon holds the record of games played with duke, Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, Nocioni has a lot of experience too...and Curry and Chandler have been in the nba for some time now.)
So it's very promising team that needs time but i think they are on the right track (finally...).
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Postby air gordon on Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:11 am

looks like they're on a new streak now

nocioni is artest lite. he's such a spaz
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Postby Andrew on Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:45 pm

The last couple of losses have been close though, which I find strangely comforting. They've had quite a few double digit losses so far this season where the margin has been around 20 points. For them to be competing until the final buzzer is something...it's a real shame about the Nets game.
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Postby Bl@ck_Thorne on Fri Dec 31, 2004 4:17 pm

im happy that my favorite team is in the winning streak ii hope more to come (Y)
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Postby Indy on Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:32 am

The bulls wont make the playoffs this year, but next year they have a good shot

ben gordon, chris duhon and luol deng will all be very good players next year.

Living in chicago though i hear every year "this is the year they are gonna make the playoffs i guarentee it!!!"

every year they arent even close.
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Postby Rip32 on Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:26 am

Ive been suprised with Duhon. The man cant shoot a damn lick but he gets the job done.
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Postby Dan's Brain on Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:34 pm

Great win over Orlando.

Hinrich 18 and 9 with 3 steals and only 2 turnovers. And kept the Franchise to only 12 points.

Hasnt taken a backwards step in his career. (Y)
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Postby John-John Joe on Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:44 am

Andres NOOOOOOOOOOCIONI!!! (Y)
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Postby Drex on Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:42 am

We have the same name 8-) :mrgreen: (Y)
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Postby air gordon on Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:31 pm

can i get an over the back call on detroit too :x

mark jackson on nba fastbreak said hinrich is a hybrid of stock/hornacek and will be just as good as them :o

Hasnt taken a backwards step in his career.

i'm all for seeing him improve but he sure gets a big break from the chicago media for shooting under 40% from the field :x
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Postby Dan's Brain on Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:54 am

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Hasnt taken a backwards step in his career.

i'm all for seeing him improve but he sure gets a big break from the chicago media for shooting under 40% from the field


I'm aware that i'll get assassinated for making the comparison, but I'll make it anyway.

Jason Kidd, through his first two seasons, FG%: 38.28
Kirk Hinrich, through his first two seasons, FG%: 39%

I'm not really a numbers fan, but their scoring averages at this point in both their careers (i.e. their second seasons) compare favourably. The assists and rebounds and steals arent close yet, but hopefully that will come.

I'm not saying that Kirk should even be mentioned in the same breath as Jason Kidd. But he's coming along really well and things do look much brighter for him.

As good as Stockton and Hornacek would be fantastic.

Let's hope Gordon sees more PT soon.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:51 pm

Steve Nash has gone from "a poor man's John Stockton" to one of the best point guards in the league, so perhaps Hinrich will continue to grow in the same way with Kidd as the flattering comparison.
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Postby Shakes on Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:37 am

The way I look at it, it's probably easier to teach someone to shoot better than it is to teach them to read the game well. In most team sports a player who understands the workings of the game can more than make up for small deficiencies in talent in other areas. And lets face it, Kirk's numbers from beyond the arc are reasonable, it's really only the mid-range game he needs to work on.

For the Bulls to really develop though, Gordon needs to be put on the court more often, and Curry needs to get more consistent or get traded.
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Postby Dan's Brain on Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:55 am

Yeah, I agree with that. Kirk, despite leading the team in scoring, probably shouldnt be looked at as the team's go-to guy. Even though the Bulls don't really have much of a choice. Ben Gordon is a better option down the stretch. But he is still a rookie.

Eddy Curry has improved a lot over the last 3 seasons. But he isn't the dominating presence that somebody his size with his athleticism should be.

Either he doesnt want to work with the Bulls or he's never going to be the player they need him to be.

Either way, he does need to be dealt. That's the first time I've said that. And hopefully the last.
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Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:53 am

Shakes wrote: Kirk's numbers from beyond the arc are reasonable, it's really only the mid-range game he needs to work on.

he currently is shooting 40% from the field, 35% from 3pt land. 35 isn't good or bad, but something to be concerned about if you're doing it 5.6 times per contest at that rate

Curry needs to get more consistent or get traded.

Eddy Curry has improved a lot over the last 3 seasons. But he isn't the dominating presence that somebody his size with his athleticism should be.

Either he doesnt want to work with the Bulls or he's never going to be the player they need him to be.

Either way, he does need to be dealt.

why do you guys think he needs to be dealt? did you see how much the team struggled to score against detroit, especially down the stretch when he sat out that game? it would be so easy to defend the bulls if curry was not on the team.

sure eddy will probably never be a member of the all defensive team, but he's coming along pretty nicely: he's able to pass out of double teams, he's improved his rebounding, and his defense has been respectable
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Postby Shakes on Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:12 am

air gordon wrote:he currently is shooting 40% from the field, 35% from 3pt land. 35 isn't good or bad, but something to be concerned about if you're doing it 5.6 times per contest at that rate


I said his 3pt shooting was reasonable, not great. I don't think 35% is all that concerning: look at it this way, it's equivalent in point scoring to shooting 52.5% from inside the arc.

why do you guys think he needs to be dealt? did you see how much the team struggled to score against detroit, especially down the stretch when he sat out that game? it would be so easy to defend the bulls if curry was not on the team.

sure eddy will probably never be a member of the all defensive team, but he's coming along pretty nicely: he's able to pass out of double teams, he's improved his rebounding, and his defense has been respectable


He also ranks #2 in turnovers per 48 minutes. Not exactly a stat to be proud of from someone who's scoring in the mid-teens a night and is only respectable on defense.

On the other hand, he's young and has lots of talent, so he's got a reasonably high trade value. The Bulls might be better served trading him while that trade value lasts. He might not be worth so much down the track.

Trading him seems like the safer option to me. I just don't think he's on the verge of making the leap up that some people think he's about to make.
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Postby Matthew on Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:32 am

Why tinker with this lineup when its succesfull? Thats just stupid. If anyone should be dealt, it's chandler. But I wouldnt trade any of these players. Let them develop together.
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Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:32 pm

Shakes wrote:I said his 3pt shooting was reasonable, not great. I don't think 35% is all that concerning: look at it this way, it's equivalent in point scoring to shooting 52.5% from inside the arc.

hehe you kinda lost me on that one. i just know kirk needs to shoot better

He also ranks #2 in turnovers per 48 minutes. Not exactly a stat to be proud of from someone who's scoring in the mid-teens a night and is only respectable on defense.

i definitely agree those TO's are a bitch.

On the other hand, he's young and has lots of talent, so he's got a reasonably high trade value. The Bulls might be better served trading him while that trade value lasts. He might not be worth so much down the track.

Trading him seems like the safer option to me. I just don't think he's on the verge of making the leap up that some people think he's about to make.

what leap are you speaking of? and what kind of leap are you expecting out of him, if any? what kind of production do you expect from him? what would you trade him for?

around 15ppg on 50% shooting in only 30 minutes may not mean much to you. but it's pretty valuable when it's coming from a 22yr old developing post player. trade him away and you'll be looking for another scoring presence in the post. hinrich can't create his own shot on a full time basis. his shooting %'s will dip even lower since teams will primarily focus on the bulls perimeter players

i agree with what matthew said, why tinker with the lineup at this point. it's the first time the team has had a winning months in years and the chemistry with the team is really good
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Postby Jowe on Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:03 pm

TheCambyManVol3 wrote:Why tinker with this lineup when its succesfull? Thats just stupid. If anyone should be dealt, it's chandler. But I wouldnt trade any of these players. Let them develop together.


Definetely (Y), the bulls are finally playing competitive basketball, playing as a unit. They've been winning games they would have lost years ago, and they are close in games they do lose.

And after the history of their trades, ie brad miller, artest, brand. I doubt they'd wanna take that risk again. :)
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Postby Matthew on Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:20 pm

And after the history of their trades, ie brad miller, artest, brand. I doubt they'd wanna take that risk again.

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Chicago is only 3 games back from Philly for the 8th playoff spot...
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Postby Andrew on Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:28 pm

Being a Bulls fan has never been so much fun...well, not quite, but it's a lot more fun than it has been in recent years. Before the season I was skeptical about Curry and Chandler, as they're in a dangerous position as far as their future is concerned. Send them packing now, watch them "Jermaine O'Neal" on Chicago. But they could just as well re-sign and waste away for the rest of their careers, losing any trade value that they possess.

The best case scenario is that Curry becomes Baby Shaq and Chandler develops into an awesome big forward in a dominant twin tower combo. The way they're performing right now, I personally think the experiment can go on a little longer. I too am in favour of not tinkering while everything is working better than it has in years, so much in favour that I'll throw out the cliched saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I'd like to see this team given a chance to grow before it's all torn down and rebuilt...again.
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Postby Jona on Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:56 pm

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Postby Eugene on Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:03 pm

You can add another win for the Bulls.

Othella Harrington played like his name was Tim Duncan. Shot like 8-10 for 19 points and grabbed 10 rebounds.

It's always fun to see random players dominating.

Luol Deng is going to be great for the Bulls.

Kirk Hinrich was fabulous.

And I still stand by my statement that Ben Gordon will be their most effective and most explosive scorer.

Curry is still lost on defense, though.

They play like a college team. Great ball movement, balanced attack. They're really fun to watch. Good time to be a Bulls fan if you ask me.



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Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:31 pm

I'll throw caution to the wind and get excited that they're just 1.5 games out of the 8th spot in the East. Philly's loss to Minnesota, Boston's loss to Detroit and then their victory over Boston today have helped them get back up after losing a couple following the five game winning streak in December; the fact that they're 4-1 in 2005 helps too. We can only hope that their success continues.
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Postby Matt on Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:36 pm

i still say Bulls get 10th, 9th at best.
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Postby Shakes on Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:47 pm

Steady on now, lets not jinx the fact they finally have a team that doesn't utterly suck by talking playoffs. :)
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Postby Amphatoast on Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:50 pm

lol the Bulls making a run.

If they continue at this rate, they could slip into the 8th seed by the end of the month.
Next 6 games vs teams with losing records, but next month don't look so easy with a stretch against miami, dallas, houston, and minny all on the road and then you come home to meet the Kings. So yeah, looks good for now, but not next month
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:24 pm

Oh, I'm sure I'll jinx them sooner or later Shakes. But for now, I'm going to enjoy the possibility that they'll at least challenge for the 8th spot rather than the first overall pick.

If they continue at this rate, they could slip into the 8th seed by the end of the month.
Next 6 games vs teams with losing records, but next month don't look so easy with a stretch against miami, dallas, houston, and minny all on the road and then you come home to meet the Kings. So yeah, looks good for now, but not next month


Indeed. They need to make the most of this easier stretch to give them a cushion for the tougher schedule ahead. A strong January would allow them to weather a .500 or slightly worse February.
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Postby air gordon on Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:14 am

curry's play has changed managements stance on trading him

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quite a turn around for the young fella. keep it up, curry (Y)

bulls only 1.5 games back of 8th playoff spot :o
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Postby Amphatoast on Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:22 am

could they be this year's miami heat? slow start, strong finish
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Postby Drex on Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:07 am

Maybe, but I doubt they can go past the 1st round. They're a young team, and in the Playoffs you need experience to overcome the pressure of possible close, hard-foughted games.
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Postby Full Surface on Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:31 am

Chicago has several good and talented young players. The only problem with that is they tend to make careless turnovers.

I think I saw a game where their backcourt started lobbing the ball to a teammate from center court and eventually went out of bounds.
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Postby air gordon on Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:30 pm

Drex wrote:Maybe, but I doubt they can go past the 1st round. They're a young team, and in the Playoffs you need experience to overcome the pressure of possible close, hard-foughted games.

lol that goes without saying. the big surprise here is that they are in contention for the playoffs despite lacking that aforementioned experience. i don't think any respected sportswriter predicted them to be playing like this. the bulls are the only team with 2 rookies in the starting lineup and the only team that relies on so many young players. you take away AD and o harrington and probably the average age of the bulls getting most of the PT would be barely 21

Chicago has several good and talented young players. The only problem with that is they tend to make careless turnovers

definitely a sign of a young team. but i guess they can survive it since their defense has been very tough- 2nd in opposing teams fg% and 18 straight opponents >100pts

as long as chicago continues to beat those teams at, around, or below them in the standings and occasionally beat a heavyweight or 2, "playoffs" & "bulls" in the same sentence will actually make sense :cool:
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Postby Ataraxia on Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:04 pm

they won again...man its amazing how a team so bad became so good in a day....is it finally the time to become a bulls bandwagoner again or is it just a lucky run???...

but I heard the Spurs offered Rasho for Tyson.....the Spurs for one thing will make Tyson a man (y)...but I doubt the Bulls will take Rasho cause Chandler is doin well rite now.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:09 pm

With all due respect to Nesterovic, I'd rather the Bulls not tinker right now, not in the middle of what has become a successful few weeks. Their next game could be huge - should they defeat Philadelphia, they'll move slightly ahead of them. Should Boston fall on the same night, the Bulls could - even if it's just briefly - shift into the 8th seed.

What has impressed me most about their recent success (aside from the winning streaks, the wins and some of their opponents) is how they've bounced back from losses. They haven't lossed three or more straight in over a month; in fact they haven't lossed more than three straight after the 0-9 start. They're beating teams they should be able to beat and have even beaten a couple they probably shouldn't.

The wins aren't rare treats with glimpses of the future, they are more meaningful with the team so improved in the standings and edging closer and closer to the final seed. They're 14-9 since the 0-9 start - in years gone by, they'd probably be down around Charlotte and Atlanta's record right now.

These are all probably the infamous bold words that come before a key players gets injured for the season and everything falls apart, but by recent standards it's been a great season so far. Teams like Phoenix and Seattle can boast better improvements but considering how far the Bulls had to fall, this has been very welcome improvement. :)
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Postby Matthew on Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:01 pm

With all due respect to Nesterovic

Which is none... Rasho is a nothing. Chandler also is a nothing, but he has a furture. This is about as good as rasho will get. If the bulls even consider this trade someone better look around for the ghost of crumbs and get rid of it.

I'd love to see Gordon starting right now though.
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Postby The GOAT on Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:55 pm

I hope the Bulls can turn it around and make the playoffs. It's be nice to see them kick everyone's asses again (Y)
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Postby Amphatoast on Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:57 am

this stretch of game is easy, just wait till february
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Postby Bl@ck_Thorne on Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:42 am

i hope the bulls can defeat the sixers (Y)
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