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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:15 pm

What would they get in return, though?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:39 pm

Tough question. Value varies on time and situations too much I guess. A lot of times, they hold no value as no teams show interest.

There are ways to play expiring contract:

- let it expire
- trade and take on bad contract with future potential (pick or young player with upside)
- trade for unhappy star/young guy


Also depends on how well/shit Wade plays. His value means something to the market as well (could offer to be more than expiring, nice for competing team that looks to upgrade using some of their shit assets)

Perhaps the Lakers wanna be a major player in 2018 offseason going after 2 max boys? Take on Deng + filler/pick(s) would be nice. Unless the Bulls look forward to be a major player themselves in next offseason but I am not sure if the team will attract much attention from stars. Might as well pay for the future if there's interest.


EDIT: Snell getting ludicrous contract makes me feel Wade could draw some attention if he shows some capability as a player.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:34 pm

If Wade could fine tune his game and start hitting 3's and play some defense (like what Vince carter did), garpax''s phone will be ringing

If its more of the same as last year, not even a 2nd round pick will be on the table. Maybe its the bulls adding a pick haha

Does la have 1st round picks to trade in this decade? Otherwise La can keep deng's awful contract. Veteran mentoring!
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Jackal on Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:48 pm

air gordon wrote:Does la have 1st round picks to trade in this decade? Otherwise La can keep deng's awful contract. Veteran mentoring!


2018 us already with Boston, not allowed to trade away 2019 with the back to back pick trade protection.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:52 pm

Magic better look into the endless possibility it could result in.

Lopez/LeBron/George/Wade/Lonzo

Now try telling me that's not the team you would watch regardless the age and superteam-ness. I am already a true Lakers fan.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:24 am

What?

KAT - Lebron - George - Thompson - Ball

Basically any super star FA Is coming to LA, we've already discussed this.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:38 am

air gordon wrote:If Hoiberg falters I believe its forman who follows him out the door

And also, as this article suggests, if Cameron Payne doesn't pan out Jim Paxson might be the new GM. If it went that way, I really hope that John will still be the one responsible for drafting players because his brother picked up a bunch of busts outside of Lebron James when he's at the helm in Cleveland. Props to him for getting Boozer in the 2nd round though...
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:17 am

Realistically, I think the only good way for Wade to move on would be through a buyout, or letting him walk at the end of the season. It's hard to imagine a likely scenario where they get a good return when trading him.

I'd assume that he'd prefer to go to a Playoff-bound team, who might be interested in expanding their depth with a proven veteran who can still at least give them good minutes here and there. However, such a team is not going to give up a quality player from their core rotation to do that, and outside of Boston, they're not going to have lottery picks to offer either, so the Bulls aren't going to get anything that'll help in the rebuilding process. Indeed, they're more likely to get saddled with a couple of bad contracts in return, which will mean they've traded one problem for another that can't be resolved as easily.

Fellow lottery-bound, rebuilding teams probably aren't going to be all that interested in Wade, but even if they are, the returns are going to be pretty much the same. They're not going to give up a lottery pick for him; at least not without some stringent protection in place that basically guarantees that the Bulls won't get it. Any players the Bulls get in return are not going to be long-term solutions, and will probably have worse contracts that still have a couple of years left on them.

And of course, in both situations, GarPax are likely to throw in picks to get the deal done, making a lousy and unnecessary trade even worse. Wade's not a long-term solution but he's also in the last year of his contract, so let him walk at the end of the season, or buy him out beforehand. There have been times when I've grumbled that GarPax let players get away for nothing, but this is a situation where a trade is very unlikely to put them in a better position, but is very likely to put them in a worse one. In this case, letting a player go for nothing and cutting their losses is a better way to come out ahead, since they won't be giving up anything valuable to the rebuilding process, namely future cap space and Draft picks.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:11 pm

Joe cowley brings a nice balance to the bulls coverage. Rumor was butler was a big source for a lot his material

Bulls brought back justin holiday. Iirc a few didn't want him to go in the New York trade.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:40 pm

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In all seriousness, he's an OK signing. Shores up the rotation at point guard in the wake of the recent cuts, and $9 million over two years is far from unreasonable.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:29 pm

Key FA Resigning: $32m Cristiano Felício, (soon to be and prob for ridiculously large amounts of money) Nikola Mirotic.
Key FA Acquisition: $9m Justin Holiday

We are going places. :roll:
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:43 pm

I don't mind the Holiday signing, as I said it's OK. I definitely agree that they're setting themselves (and therefore, us) up for disappointment by throwing a lot of money at Felicio and (presumably) Mirotic, though. That's not exactly in line with rebuilding.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:29 pm

Andrew wrote:I don't mind the Holiday signing, as I said it's OK. I definitely agree that they're setting themselves (and therefore, us) up for disappointment by throwing a lot of money at Felicio and (presumably) Mirotic, though. That's not exactly in line with rebuilding.

Oh yeah, while it's nothing exciting it's not a whole lot of money and 2 years is not a long commitment anyways. Might as well see what the kid can do....but isn't he a SG though? If they aren't buying out Wade it'll be hard to find minutes for all these kids at SG in LaVine (when he comes back), Valentine, and now Holiday.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:41 pm

Quite right, he is a shooting guard. For some reason, I thought he was a point guard like Jrue. That does create a bit of a logjam on the wing.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:16 pm

Even if Wade isn't bought out, Its a safe assumption he's going to miss some games. They'll need someone to fill in

Felecio' contract is right in line for a back up center salary. I'm fine with it. He may even be the starting center if the bulls dump rolo
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:55 am

Cristiano Felício, starting center for the Chicago Bulls.

Yep, we are definitely a pile of shit right now :facepalm2:
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:43 pm

And piles of shits get top 3 picks

Ain't no one coming here via free agency. Have to build through the draft. Let that pile of shit steam
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:14 am

Most of the notables are off the board and even vets are signing for cheap contracts. should the bulls resign Niko?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:04 am

I hope not, unless Garpax could turn his contract into something. I am hoping to see more Portis and especially Markkanen. Perhaps one of them could turn out to be next Myles Turner?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:04 am

It looks like there isn't much of a market for him so the bulls have all the leverage. If its a short term contract and around 10mil, I can see him being resigned. If he plays well, flip him to a contender

Personally I'd rather see him go and free bobby portis

Myles turner? That would be nice
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:42 am

I suppose a short, relatively inexpensive contract wouldn't be too bad if they ultimately decided to do that. They have to field a full roster, he's familiar with the system, and he's not completely untalented. He hasn't lived up to expectations though, so I'd prefer Portis and Markkanen to get those minutes. They're rebuilding, so they shouldn't commit to anyone that isn't a strong candidate to be in their long-term plans. I'm not sure that Niko is, and I'm definitely not convinced that he should be. They traded away Butler to draft Markkanen, so let's see what he can do; don't have him warming the bench all season. A decision is going to have to be made on Portis soon, so let's see what he can do with consistent minutes as well.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:30 am

air gordon wrote:It looks like there isn't much of a market for him so the bulls have all the leverage.

Which is why it wouldn't surprise me if they offer him the max. Looking at recent history, GarPax loves to blow any leverage they possess.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:33 am

Yeah, I was thinking that as well. It wouldn't be out of character for them to bid against themselves unnecessarily, and for a player whose status as a cornerstone is highly questionable to say the least.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:02 pm

that would be something. they unsuccessfully traded him at the deadline and then now a max contract? lol c'mon.

i think the salary floor is $84mil. they're at around $72 i think. just a guess- if he does resign its going to be enough just to make the salary floor. if he's doesn't get resigned, they're going to have make another move. rather offer the money to jonathan simmons tbh

the bulls have the team option and qualifying offer so technically that's 3 years they have him under contract.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:19 pm

I'd take Simmons over Mirotic if the opportunity is there.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:37 pm

air gordon wrote:that would be something. they unsuccessfully traded him at the deadline and then now a max contract? lol c'mon.

Yep, like I said. It's GarPax. Logic doesn't work with them. I mean they gave away assets to trade away their franchise player who was on a sub 20m per season contract that wasn't expiring. Why would you be surprised if they did that? :lol:

Andrew wrote:I'd take Simmons over Mirotic if the opportunity is there.

I would too, in a heartbeat
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:15 am

I refuse to believe they would because most of their idiotic moves were made to keep the bullshit .500 team/sell playoff tix going

Its too early in the rebuild mode to do something that idiotic. I'm trying to remain optimistic mind you
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:41 am

NovU wrote:I am hoping to see more Portis and especially Markkanen. Perhaps one of them could turn out to be next Myles Turner?

With both of them known to be not good defenders, your expectations are too high... We already know of what Portis is capable of and although the Finnish guy is a known shooter, his post scoring capabilities are still in question. Myles Turner has franchise player potential on him neither of the two I haven't seen any of it on them yet.

I'm leaning towards letting go of Mirotic. Yeh, he got some nice games late in the season but I'm tired of his inconsistency... If this report about JaMychal Green is true, I hope they pick with him up instead of Niko. Simmons would be a good pick up also but I'm worried when Lavine comebacks and he's in the roster, Zipser will move back in the pecking order. I have high hopes for him he needs more playing time. Saying that, yes I will be disappointed if they'll offer KCP something...
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:18 am

Too bad greens the same age as Niko. It's a nice story but I'm with giving the young guys the minutes

Simmons can play sf but probably not ideal against the big sf's

I like zipser too as a 3d guy and maybe occasional small ball four. A good draft pick after all huh
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:43 pm

air gordon wrote:Too bad greens the same age as Niko. It's a nice story but I'm with giving the young guys the minutes

Is it really that being 27 years old on his 3rd year is considered old nowadays? They just pulled their qualifying offer on Laverne so perhaps it's either they'll make a run for Green or they'll make an offer to Mirotic although I reckon they gave him a 7M qualifying offer already and they're just waiting for someone to offer him something for them to match.

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:44 am

Yeah 27 isn't old. Id rather see minutes go to their lottery pick and crazy eyes Portis. If he played sf I'd be on board

Glad the Finnish 7fter didn't look like a stiff. Had some good moments and bad. One summer league in and I'm not yelling at the TV cuz of him

Agreed 100% on the payne and Dunn. Wtf. I hope it's just a one game experiment. If you watch the game highlights on YouTube you would think payne had a good game smh

Dennis Smith Jr looked pretty damn good out there
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:01 am

Very amusing. I'll definitely drive by and take a pic when it goes up

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:37 am

I guess Pip's response isn't surprising, given his role with the team, but...that's still a bit disappointing that he'd flat out dismiss the fans like that. Sure, GarPax have a hard job, but that doesn't mean they're above criticism, and it's clear a lot of us have had it up to here with how they're running the team (which is to say, shoddily).

Anyway, good on the fans organising that, funny stuff indeed. Looking forward to seeing pics.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:55 am

Upon early review, clearly these rebuilding Bulls have a ways to go

Dunn showed some defensive tenacity and a willingness to try to get to the rim in Saturday's loss, but the lack of a consistent jump shot continues to hover over his game. Dunn said he feels much better about his mechanics heading into the season than he did a year ago, but the results have yet to back up that claim. Dunn will not play again in summer league after leaving Vegas for family reasons.

Zipser was a nonfactor in Saturday's loss, going just 3-for-11 from the field, and hasn't played since spraining his ankle in the same game.

Valentine has played in all three of the Bulls' games but has really struggled to make an impact. He is a combined 12-for-44 from the field and has not shown the athleticism needed to separate himself at the professional level. Valentine expressed an interest in taking on more of a leadership role within the younger group of players during the upcoming rebuilding year, but it's tough to develop that kind of voice when a player isn't contributing at a high level during games.

Payne's inability to contribute much at all is a microcosm of the Bulls' entire summer league experience. Payne, acquired in a package from Oklahoma City at last February's trade deadline for Taj Gibson, Doug McDermott and a second-round pick, didn't just play poorly in his two-game stint in Vegas. He played like a prospect who has no long-term future in the NBA. Payne left the team on Tuesday to deal with a family issue and will not return. He looked lost on the floor, shooting a combined 9-for-26 from the field and turning the ball over seven times.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:00 pm

I'm just going to skip to the end and address the Payne quote...
Payne's inability to contribute much at all is a microcosm of the Bulls' entire summer league experience.

Yep, sounds about right, and GarPax is STILL trying to sell him as the future.

Again, the fact that we traded two better players AND a pick for him is indicative of just how incompetent GarPax are, I seriously don't understand why ownership and some portions of the fanbase think they could possibly do a decent job in this rebuilding process with their track record.

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We understand that it’s always hard when you have had a level of success, and then you’ve got to take a step back and go in a new direction as far as a rebuild is concerned.


Success? What success? You mean the 5 year winning run that Tom Thibodeau had us on before you fired his ass? The success that he created by developing Rose into a MVP, Noah into a DPOY and MVP candidate, Gibson into a do it all PF, and Butler into an All-NBA player? The success that he got despite you giving him Keith Bogans and washed up Richard Hamilton as Roses' backcourt mate?

Yeah, thought so. Who does he think he's fooling? This isn't taking a step back after "success", it's them fucking up the "success" every step of the way and now it's beyond reproach so they are doing anything to hold onto their undeserved jobs.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:39 am

I'm trying to give cp22 a chance here. So far he hasn't shown much. Still figuring out what garpax saw in him

He definitely makes himself an easy target. The payne puns are endless
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:25 am

Nice butler article from our friends at sb nation
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Looked up that Houston bulls game. Rose, butler, Noah, and gasol were all playing and contributing. Good times

Joe Cowley speculating Payne may be cut. Now that would be a lot shit pie to eat for garpax if It happens. Haislip was given a contract so maybe there's some legs to the story
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:41 am

Excellent tribute to Butler's Bulls career there.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:39 pm

Like the nwaba pickup. Even if he may not amount to anything he is young, athletic, good motor.

Plus he can't shoot so he fits right in with the rest of the backcourt ;)
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:04 pm

Definitely. At this point, it's all about picking up young players with potential and athleticism, and seeing who's good enough to invest in long-term. Even if the team stinks, they end up with a lottery pick, which aids in the rebuilding cause. Worth seeing what players like him can being to the table.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:49 pm

The Bulls are looking like a 15-20 win team. Well, free Wade Garpax.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:39 am

It's coming

https://out.reddit.com/t3_6o5j4f?url=ht ... ame=mweb2x

I hope 15-20 wins is enough for worst or 2nd worst. A lot of competitive tanking this year if that makes any sense lol

They'll be on full tank mode once Wade gets his buyout. Could be a challenge to get 90pts once that happens
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Sauru on Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:35 am

NovU wrote:The Bulls are looking like a 15-20 win team. Well, free Wade Garpax.



it was wades choice to stay so we dont need to feel bad for the guy
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:45 am

benji wrote:LeBron is such a choker. And people were talking about him as an all-time great. As having possibly surpassed Kobe. What a joke.

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:35 am

Nice design. (Y)
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:43 am

Sauru wrote:
NovU wrote:The Bulls are looking like a 15-20 win team. Well, free Wade Garpax.



it was wades choice to stay so we dont need to feel bad for the guy

I don't.

It's probably a matter of time, he'll either be traded or bought out. It'd be very nice to see him playing meaningful minutes next season. My wish is for the Warriors, lol.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:57 am

Wade leaving is inevitable IMO

Dallas can match but thoughts on offering a contract to Noel?! Some risk involved for sure but if he does start to realize his potential/stay healthy and to have him locked on a multi year contract would be just dandy

Add him to the core, dump Lopez, renounce Niko, and no more pressure to develop Portis.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:51 pm

We're talking about the Cheap Charlie that is Jerry Reinsdorf here. Wade will not be bought out... I have no idea how good offensively Noel is but I love to have a quick, versatile defender like him on the team. Speaking of Noel, Jahlil Okafor would like to be with the Bulls if he will be traded. I don't know who else on the roster can attract the Sixers though. If the Sixers are willing to take on Lopez' contract and such trade should come into fruition, Richaun Holmes is a must in the package.

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Per USA Today's Sam Amick, Rose's agent has had discussions with the Bulls about a potential reunion with the former NBA MVP.


If the Cavs rumors are true, he's contented to just sign even for the minimum. No one wants to deal with his asking price it seems.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:20 pm

I'm guessing the talks weren't very serious, and that he's more likely to go to Cleveland. I still wish him well, but it's no surprise that he doesn't have any leverage in terms of his asking price.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:40 pm

I hate Colangelo but I doubt he's stupid to allow himself to be bamboozled by GarPax.
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