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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:46 pm

So Garpax finally pushed the button and plans to rebuild. Losing Butler for what seems to be so little still sucks tho. Dunn is nobody, No-Body, his draft day value is like x9 bigger than his present day value. Will need a lot to go right. LaVine also is not that good. Has broken game that is not easily fixable. He's proved to be a productive guy on a losing team, meaning meaningless stats stuffer. There's no signs of him turning into a star yet.

But Markkanen imo is a nice potential pick. Hopely Wade can get him the ball and develop to his strength. Too bad Rondo doesn't like passing to spot up jump shooters. Anyways, this seems to be Garpax finally pushing 'rebuilding' button. With Wade coming off the book next year, the Bulls might have a neat little young core to go about.

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Jeffx on Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:18 pm

Valor wrote:
air gordon wrote:side note- can you believe it's garpax that has outlasted former COY Thibbs and now all Nba player Butler? hahaha

Sadly, I can. It's Reinsdorf after all...

At least there's the poetic justice in how Thibs just fleeced GarPax after they fired him for no reason in 2015. Karma is a bitch indeed.


Fleeced? More like an anal fisting.

At another site, a Bulls fan called Markkanen another McDermott.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:33 pm

"It was time": Sam Smith.

A very charitable and forgiving take for the guy who wrote "The Jordan Rules" back in the day. I know he's writing for the official website and he openly acknowledges it, but he still went really easy on GarPax.

That's not to say he doesn't have a point about biting the bullet and undergoing a painful rebuilding process rather than be mired in mediocrity. I get where he's coming from there. But the trade itself, what they received, what they sent away, how they ultimately decided to move on from Jimmy Butler...well, his spin seems far too positive for me to buy right now.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:36 am

Despite my respect for bball breakdown and coach nick, I cant pass judgement on Laurie based on a highlight film

There's some skill there. He seems to fluid enough where he's not a stiff that just stays outside the arc. We'll see

I can't help but think regardless of who the bulls picked, the draftee would get blasted due it being part of the butler trade. Plus it doesn't help , fair or not, bulls fans are weary of similarly skilled (?) recent busts Niko and McDermott

I can't think of a recent trade by garpax where you thought "man, this was a great move! Great job management. I'm excited to see these guys in a bulls uniform "

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What's the deal with them selling their 2nd round pick for cash!! We just saw McCaw give big minutes in the finals. This is so typical bulls. Fill their pockets wth cash instead of a taking a chance. Ugh
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Axel on Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:16 am

air gordon wrote:Despite my respect for bball breakdown and coach nick, I cant pass judgement on Laurie based on a highlight film

There's some skill there. He seems to fluid enough where he's not a stiff that just stays outside the arc. We'll see

I can't help but think regardless of who the bulls picked, the draftee would get blasted due it being part of the butler trade. Plus it doesn't help , fair or not, bulls fans are weary of similarly skilled (?) recent busts Niko and McDermott

I can't think of a recent trade by garpax where you thought "man, this was a great move! Great job management. I'm excited to see these guys in a bulls uniform "

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What's the deal with them selling their 2nd round pick for cash!! We just saw McCaw give big minutes in the finals. This is so typical bulls. Fill their pockets wth cash instead of a taking a chance. Ugh


Stop supporting them then. Its way better being a player fan these days anyway.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:22 am

Haven't paid for a Bulls ticket for 2yrs and cut my cable out

Doesnt stop me from bitching about them on a msg board ;)
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:03 am

Andrew wrote:"It was time": Sam Smith.

A very charitable and forgiving take for the guy who wrote "The Jordan Rules" back in the day. I know he's writing for the official website and he openly acknowledges it, but he still went really easy on GarPax.

That's not to say he doesn't have a point about biting the bullet and undergoing a painful rebuilding process rather than be mired in mediocrity. I get where he's coming from there. But the trade itself, what they received, what they sent away, how they ultimately decided to move on from Jimmy Butler...well, his spin seems far too positive for me to buy right now.

He has been really easy on them the past few years, it's a shame really. Management never gets held accountable.

air gordon wrote: I can't help but think regardless of who the bulls picked, the draftee would get blasted due it being part of the butler trade. Plus it doesn't help , fair or not, bulls fans are weary of similarly skilled (?) recent busts Niko and McDermott

I can only speak for myself but I don't blast the kid, it's the management we need to be going at because unless he turns out to be Dirk 2.0 instead of Mirotic 2.0 that was a shit trade.

air gordon wrote:I can't think of a recent trade by garpax where you thought "man, this was a great move! Great job management. I'm excited to see these guys in a bulls uniform "

Me neither, the last one that turned out "okay" in the end was 2009 trade for Salmons and Brad Miller. Salmons was big in our run to the playoffs that year and Brad Miller was a huge positive influence on Joakim Noah.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Jackal on Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:55 am

Reading lots of Clarkson/Deng to Chicago for Wade chatter. Thoughts?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:31 am

Both for Wade, or one or the other? I definitely wouldn't take Deng over Wade. In the worst case scenario, Wade's contract comes off the books next season, whereas Deng's signed for three more years at around $18 million per season. Clarkson's a more interesting option, but he's also signed for the next three seasons, and I'm not that sure about him. Both together, no way. Much worse than having Wade's contract expire at the end of the year.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:32 am

Jackal wrote:Reading lots of Clarkson/Deng to Chicago for Wade chatter. Thoughts?

Makes no sense (which is probably why it'll entertain GarPax), just buy him out. He's pissed and it'll effect the young guys in the locker room. Rondo should be gone too to make way for Dunn - which is why Clarkson makes no sense for us after we just traded the farm to get Dunn.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:03 am

At the expense of the Bulls, the Wolves might have just become a great fun team to watch. The team still lacks good 3pt shooting but Butler and KAT are gonna be a good duo to keep eyes on. If the Wolves resided in Eastern conference, might have instantly been a playoffs team.

air gordon wrote:I can't think of a recent trade by garpax where you thought "man, this was a great move! Great job management. I'm excited to see these guys in a bulls uniform

At least he's no Dolan or Phil. Not every team can have Ainge anyways, who's probably been the best in his field of work. Another easy way is to have a team in LA, the best place to live on this planet according to the Lakers fans.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:27 am

Valor wrote:That's exactly why they should've gotten up high enough to get someone like Fox. I like Dunn but he's turnover and injury prone. If you're giving up a franchise player you should at least get a future franchise player in return....Fox would've been it. (Still not enough for Butler though, he's worth the #1 overall.)

Stupid but typical GarPax move.

air gordon wrote:i agree with valor here. top 5 pick and asset or no trade. fox would have been this acceptable. Butler was all nba and still has 2yrs left on his contract.


Just to be clear, I'm against to the trade as well but I rather have this one than what Boston is offering (which is a straight up swap for the 3rd pick). Some speculate that the Cavs/Suns deal includes Kyrie Irving going to the Bulls but I don't buy it since it doesn't make sense. I reckon Butler lost some value on his involvement with the locker room drama last season. There's a report a few weeks ago that the young Reinsdorf is on GarPax' throat because there's no movement about the team's development and he wants a clear plan. Perhaps this is a panic move (or perhaps a sabotage because they know they're on their way out?) that will finally cost them their jobs.

air gordon wrote:I can't think of a recent trade by garpax where you thought "man, this was a great move! Great job management. I'm excited to see these guys in a bulls uniform


I thought you were delighted with the DRose trade?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:53 am

Moz The Boz wrote:Just to be clear, I'm against to the trade as well but I rather have this one than what Boston is offering (which is a straight up swap for the 3rd pick).

Boston was also offering 2018 first rounder that'll most likely be top 5 as well. I don't like either and I think they could've (should've) gotten at least what Boston was offering plus a few good players like Jaylen Brown. The 3rd + 16th + a top 5 next year and Brown I would be ok with.
Moz The Boz wrote:There's a report a few weeks ago that the young Reinsdorf is on GarPax' throat because there's no movement about the team's development and he wants a clear plan. Perhaps this is a panic move (or perhaps a sabotage because they know they're on their way out?) that will finally cost them their jobs.

When that day comes I'll celebrate as though we just won a title. Cause we sure aren't gonna fucking win one with GarPax at the helm.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:04 pm

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Moz The Boz wrote:Just to be clear, I'm against to the trade as well but I rather have this one than what Boston is offering (which is a straight up swap for the 3rd pick).

Boston was also offering 2018 first rounder that'll most likely be top 5 as well. I don't like either and I think they could've (should've) gotten at least what Boston was offering plus a few good players like Jaylen Brown. The 3rd + 16th + a top 5 next year and Brown I would be ok with.


No, that's what the Bulls are asking and they even asked for a straight up swap for the 3rd pick (so I'm wrong about the Celtics offering it. Wow, you can really tell that they badly wants to ship Butler) and Ainge still refused. He doesn't want to include any incentives even when they're trying to pry Butler last year so I reckon he will not entertain that kind of asking price.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:10 pm

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Moz The Boz wrote:Just to be clear, I'm against to the trade as well but I rather have this one than what Boston is offering (which is a straight up swap for the 3rd pick).

Boston was also offering 2018 first rounder that'll most likely be top 5 as well. I don't like either and I think they could've (should've) gotten at least what Boston was offering plus a few good players like Jaylen Brown. The 3rd + 16th + a top 5 next year and Brown I would be ok with.


No, that's what the Bulls are asking and they even asked for a straight up swap for the 3rd pick (so I'm wrong about the Celtics offering it. Wow, you can really tell that they badly need to ship Butler) and Ainge still refused. He doesn't want to include any incentives even when they're trying to pry Butler last year so I reckon he will not entertain that kind of asking price.

Yeah so in that case they should've just pulled out altogether. They have the leverage. Jimmy's under contract for a few more years on a team friendly deal. If Ainge wants to be cheap then tell him to fuck off. Why turn around and give Thibs and the Wolves Jimmy B and a pick for less than what the cheapskate Ainge offered?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:14 pm

Because
they badly need to ship Butler


probably because
There's a report a few weeks ago that the young Reinsdorf is on GarPax' throat because there's no movement about the team's development and he wants a clear plan.


hence...
Perhaps this is a panic move (or perhaps a sabotage because they know they're on their way out?) that will finally cost them their jobs.


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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:38 pm

Moz The Boz wrote:Because
they badly need to ship Butler


probably because
There's a report a few weeks ago that the young Reinsdorf is on GarPax' throat because there's no movement about the team's development and he wants a clear plan.


hence...
Perhaps this is a panic move (or perhaps a sabotage because they know they're on their way out?) that will finally cost them their jobs.


All rumors they could've just denied. They still had all the fucking leverage in negotiations, and what do they get out of it? A marginal starter coming off ACL, a prospect PG who couldn't edge out a guy Minny didn't want for minutes, and only the 7th pick which they probably screwed up, plus they had to swap picks instead of getting an additional one.

That's like giving somebody $10m to open a fish and chips shop and he still manages to run the shop into bankruptcy.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:08 pm

But valor, fish n chips are awful food.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:47 pm

NovU wrote:But valor, fish n chips are awful food.

They just don't make them right where you're at.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:36 pm

Valor wrote:All rumors they could've just denied. They still had all the fucking leverage in negotiations, and what do they get out of it? A marginal starter coming off ACL, a prospect PG who couldn't edge out a guy Minny didn't want for minutes, and only the 7th pick which they probably screwed up, plus they had to swap picks instead of getting an additional one.

That's like giving somebody $10m to open a fish and chips shop and he still manages to run the shop into bankruptcy.


You should've known GarPax by now after they dealt Deng and Gibson for raffle tickets and we all know that they have a massive hardon on Kris Dunn. It's also unfortunate that they have to share the attention with the likes of Paul George, Porzingis, and Aldridge being on the trading block. In hindsight, they should've dealt him last year and tanked for this year's draft.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:46 pm

Moz The Boz wrote:
Valor wrote:All rumors they could've just denied. They still had all the fucking leverage in negotiations, and what do they get out of it? A marginal starter coming off ACL, a prospect PG who couldn't edge out a guy Minny didn't want for minutes, and only the 7th pick which they probably screwed up, plus they had to swap picks instead of getting an additional one.

That's like giving somebody $10m to open a fish and chips shop and he still manages to run the shop into bankruptcy.


You should've known GarPax by now after they dealt Deng and Gibson for raffle tickets and we all know that they have a massive hardon on Kris Dunn. It's also unfortunate that they have to share the attention with the likes of Paul George, Porzingis, and Aldridge being on the trading block. In hindsight, they should've dealt him last year and tanked for this year's draft.

Of course, none of it is surprising. Doesn't mean it's not irritating though.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:57 am

Yeah moz I was happy about the Rose trade. Good call. More so getting him outta town but yes gotta give management their props for that trade

Don't want to beat a dead horse anymore regarding management and the butler trade anymore

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I will remain hopeful with Dunn. His draft express profile is rather impressive. Statistically he was one of the worst rotation players though. Fingers crossed it's due to him adjusting, thibs not being rookie friendly, and twolves roster makeup
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:13 pm

We gave MCW a chance. Let's see what Dunn can do.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:48 am

Butler making some choice words against management

Yet another disgruntled player leaving the organisation

I hope wade is cut/bought out soon. Also hope Niko is not retained. Get them out of here so the young guys can play

The often mentioned veteran presence should be Pete Myers and Randy brown. Screw giving big contacts like lala did

Maybe just Rondo would be the only vet left. He seems legit as a mentor for the roster and will only be on 1yr contract/ easily moveable if it doesn't work out

When the smoke clears of gutting the roster I wonder close they are from being above the minimum team salary requirement
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:08 am

Tough to rebuild when you've got the reputation the front office does.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:47 am

So management issues aside-

should the bulls buyout Wade? Bring back Rondo?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Its_asdf on Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:15 am

I'd say no. The narrative of Wade coming home to play for his home town team is still fresh in a lot of people's minds. The optics of booting a guy who specifically chose to sign with his home town team would scare any player from signing there for a long time... Not to say that they are not doing that right now as it is.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:34 am

Its_asdf wrote:I'd say no. The narrative of Wade coming home to play for his home town team is still fresh in a lot of people's minds. The optics of booting a guy who specifically chose to sign with his home town team would scare any player from signing there for a long time... Not to say that they are not doing that right now as it is.

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Let the young ins play so garpax can properly evaluate all while tanking completely.

Wade deserves a better fate anyway.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Its_asdf on Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:05 am

Thanks man, just killing some time by browsing the forums. Nice to see some familiar faces still posting here!

And yeah, I totally agree with you about letting him walk being the best thing for the team; the young guys need their reps. I am high on LaVine and think the Butler deal wasn't as bad as people made it out to be because the kid has the potential to be a great scorer in this league. However, I don't really see him in any other spot than at the 2 which is where Wade will play.

However, there is some value in attempting to salvage public perception around the league, especially if you want to retain/sign talent in the future. If they are going to buy Wade, he will look like another victim of the Bulls management. For the time being, I think you have to keep him or else you risk damaging your reputation further. Hopefully he is willing to take a back seat and give LaVine some mentorship.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:26 am

They're not the long-term solutions and the team seems to be full-on rebuilding, so buying them out wouldn't be the worst move. However, I'm inclined to agree that there's value in keeping them as far as saving face and not looking like a complete disaster. With LaVine and Dunn, it wouldn't hurt to have a couple of veteran mentors in the backcourt, either. At the end of the day, they come off the books at the end of the year, so it's not one of those situations where they need to explore a buyout because they're on the hook for years to come.

I think it also comes down to what those guys want to do. If Wade and Rondo are all in for playing out their contracts, mentoring the young guys, and doing what they can at this stage of their careers, see their contracts through to the end (which once again is the end of this upcoming season). If they do want to go elsewhere though, then sure, honour that request with a buyout. The Bulls have already lost face by trading away their best player after he said he wanted to be there, so again, do the right thing by a couple of decorated vets to try and restore some goodwill. All that cap room doesn't really matter if their reputation is in tatters; players are just going to say "thanks, but no thanks".
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:39 am

Andrew wrote:They're not the long-term solutions and the team seems to be full-on rebuilding, so buying them out wouldn't be the worst move. However, I'm inclined to agree that there's value in keeping them as far as saving face and not looking like a complete disaster. With LaVine and Dunn, it wouldn't hurt to have a couple of veteran mentors in the backcourt, either. At the end of the day, they come off the books at the end of the year, so it's not one of those situations where they need to explore a buyout because they're on the hook for years to come.

I think it also comes down to what those guys want to do. If Wade and Rondo are all in for playing out their contracts, mentoring the young guys, and doing what they can at this stage of their careers, see their contracts through to the end (which once again is the end of this upcoming season). If they do want to go elsewhere though, then sure, honour that request with a buyout. The Bulls have already lost face by trading away their best player after he said he wanted to be there, so again, do the right thing by a couple of decorated vets to try and restore some goodwill. All that cap room doesn't really matter if their reputation is in tatters; players are just going to say "thanks, but no thanks".


Do you mean the veteran presence Wade was providing IE calling out the young players for not working hard enough?

If Wade is taking away minutes from the young players and actually contributing to wins… the season would have been a waste. GarPax would still be figuring out if the young core can play and have less chances at a top pick

Let’s face it. Its rebuild/tank mode. The best way to rebuild is through the draft. it’s going to be a painful next 2 seasons at the least but you have to fully commit to it.

I could see understand picking up Rondo’s option so he can be a legit mentor. he was a positive impact on the young guys, even as to go as far to watch them play in the d-league.


Are you against the rebuild/trading Butler?!
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:07 pm

air gordon wrote:Do you mean the veteran presence Wade was providing IE calling out the young players for not working hard enough?

He wasn't wrong, Rondo's the toxic mentor that needs to go.

air gordon wrote:If Wade is taking away minutes from the young players and actually contributing to wins… the season would have been a waste.

I agree with this though.
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Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:20 pm

I'm with Valor re: Wade and Rondo's leadership/mentoring abilities.

I would've preferred they kept Butler, yes.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:14 pm

He wasn't wrong, Rondo's the toxic mentor that needs to go.

There were a lot of positive reports from the bulls beat guys this year in regards to Rondo’s positive impact on the young guys

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... story.html

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/you ... -teammate/

“Along with Pau (Gasol), he’s the best teammate I’ve ever had,” Mirotic said.
“I feel so comfortable with him and I think all the young guys do,” Mirotic said. “He’s very honest. He’s talking all the time, supporting before the game, after the game, during the practice. He’s always positive. Even if something is not going well, he’s trying to help young players. It’s been great to have him here.


And it was Rondo who came to the young players defense after Wade and Butler ripped them a new one to the press. What leadership/mentor abilities did Wade show? HIgh usage on inefficient shooting?

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Why did you want to keep butler? Wasn’t this season enough evidence to blow it up? You still wanted another near .500 finish and 1st round exit at best? Yet another pick in the late teen’s and this time Butler would be in a contract year (and possible Paul George situation) heading into the next offseason? SMH
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:04 pm

I thought that they could rebuild around him. As far as trading him, I felt they should've got more, or at least kept their pick, and drafted better. But we've already covered that, and what's done is done. The team moves on, we move on and hope for the best.

The problem with any rebuilding effort, as noted before, is that it's still GarPax calling the shots. You can blow it all up, but if they're going to make the same bewildering picks and trades, with a Yes Man as their coach, sooner or later we're back to the same situation. That's the frustrating thing. I can get behind the idea of bottoming out and starting over, but how likely is it that GarPax make the right moves, or improve their reputation? Their decisions aren't shrewd, the culture and atmosphere they cultivate has been described as toxic. To borrow from the 76ers' vernacular, I can't trust their process.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:05 pm

air gordon wrote:There were a lot of positive reports from the bulls beat guys this year in regards to Rondo’s positive impact on the young guys

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... story.html

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/you ... -teammate/

“Along with Pau (Gasol), he’s the best teammate I’ve ever had,” Mirotic said.
“I feel so comfortable with him and I think all the young guys do,” Mirotic said. “He’s very honest. He’s talking all the time, supporting before the game, after the game, during the practice. He’s always positive. Even if something is not going well, he’s trying to help young players. It’s been great to have him here.


And it was Rondo who came to the young players defense after Wade and Butler ripped them a new one to the press. What leadership/mentor abilities did Wade show? HIgh usage on inefficient shooting?

Holding the pom poms is always going to give you praise, doesn't mean he's doing the right things. He literally made that situation an us vs you thing and ripped the locker room into two factions. Again, nothing wrong with a proven winner in Wade and a guy who worked his way into stardom in Butler calling out some of the softer young kids on the team who didn't display as much desire to win as they do, that's called tough love. Rondo may win over the heart of scrubs like Mirotic and Grant by cuddling them, but it doesn't mean he's a good teammate in the sense that he's helping the team.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:47 pm

Its_asdf wrote:The optics of booting a guy who specifically chose to sign with his home town team would scare any player from signing there for a long time...

They already did when they traded both their franchise players in consecutive years.

If Paxson would make the call, he'll buyout Wade in a heartbeat but it seems the Reinsdorfs are not up to it and they would rather find a trade partner who will pay his salary. So by that, expect him to still be in the lineup this year. Meanwhile, they tried to trade Rondo after they shipped Butler but it seems no one's interested and he will be waived. Reports are saying that they will pick up Laverne's option, re-sign Canaan, and will sign Milos Teodosic even though they already have Dunn, Grant, and Payne or perhaps one of them will be traded/waived.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:52 pm

At least the second year of Rondo's deal is only partially guaranteed. Credit to GarPax for that foresight, I suppose.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:05 pm

Andrew wrote:At least the second year of Rondo's deal is only partially guaranteed. Credit to GarPax for that foresight, I suppose.

I wouldn't bet on it, apparently they might waive him only to resign him to a longer term deal.

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:17 pm

Well if that's the case you can't blame them. Say what you say about him being a locker room cancer but he did more mentoring to the young guys compared to Butler and Wade.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:39 pm

Valor,
You lost me on the Rondo thing. I guess it's agree to disagree ;)
We'll know his fate soon

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Last year was maybe the worst. I for one couldn't take another year of it. And I'll play the bad management card on your build around Butler sentiments. What leads you to believe they could rebuild around him given their history? ;)

I have my doubts also on this rebuild. If and when the attendance starts dipping we will see how committed GarPax is to tanking. Maybe that's why they sold there 2nd rounds pick LOL

Maybe just maybe someone's neck is on the line (forman) now that the rebuild is on. After Hoiberg, he has no more fall guys.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:42 pm

Wade had no right to rip on his teammates when he didn't even attend practices (per Rondo, Wade didn't even deny afaik).
Don't care if he has no more knees and need to rest to extend the mileage in his career, you want to act like a leader then be like one, attend practices even just do light workouts.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:52 pm

air gordon wrote:Andrew,
Last year was maybe the worst. I for one couldn't take another year of it. And I'll play the bad management card on your build around Butler sentiments. What leads you to believe they could rebuild around him given their history? ;


I guess there would've at least been an All-Star on the roster! But touche. :)

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:10 am

In all honesty, what was the likely best case scenario if they built around butler? Limited in the moves they can make due to low amount of available cap and no tradeable commodities on the roster

Paxson does have a history of drafting well, albeit 5 yes ago or so which coincidentally ended when forman arrived

I think forman gets canned if the rebuild is not going as planned. Last rebuild had the advantage of the UC being filled due to the MJ hangover and season tickets waiting list so reinsdorf was patient

If Hoiberg falters I believe its forman who follows him out the door
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:12 am

Only problem is, that's probably going to be at least a couple of years. So...what are the chances Forman has some terrible public indiscretion that leads to his firing?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:59 am

The rebuild around butler question? *clears throat
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:48 am

Well, Rondo is gone, along with sadly the wrong backup guard in Canaan. Good riddance. Doubt Dunn will lose his spot to Cameron fucking Payne so there we go, our new starting PG Kris Dunn.

Hope he lives up to his potential coming out of college soon, we need some excitement to keep us awake in this mess.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:08 am

Apparently no plans to for a buyout with Wade. Probably best to let him play out the year, or cut him loose late in the season if he wants to go play for a contender. With his contract, I imagine they'd end up taking on a couple of bad ones to get a deal done, so his eventual departure should be via free agency in 2018, or a buyout at some point. No trades. Sadly, GarPax just can't be trusted not to give away too much just in order to move a player.

I don't really have much else to say about the Butler situation, especially since it's all a moot point now, but best case scenario he would've been the only big contract left on the roster. With the continually escalating cap, that would've left plenty of room once the burdensome contracts were cleared out, and from there, they'd rebuild through the draft. As has been noted however, with GarPax calling the shots, there's no guarantee that would've gone any better. I guess I'd sum it up by saying I'm always reluctant about the idea to give up a player that could potentially be built around, but since they did go in that direction, they could've been smarter about the trade they made. I can understand the reasoning behind the current direction and get behind it, but again, the presence of GarPax does dull my optimism somewhat.

That's basically all I have to say about it. I've had my grumble, expressed my doubts. I don't want to be the guy who keeps bringing Butler up, bumming myself out and annoying everyone else with more grumbling and wondering what if, so I'll leave it at that. What's done is done. Now we wait for GarPax to surprise us with shrewd moves, or get shown the door. The latter would naturally be preferable.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:44 pm

K thanks for further elaborating. i don’t see that scenario very appealing for the reasons i mentioned earlier plus the history of the current regime not landing a big name FA.

but hey there's always the twovles thread if you want to talk Jimmy Buckets

Well, Rondo is gone, along with sadly the wrong backup guard in Canaan. Good riddance. Doubt Dunn will lose his spot to Cameron fucking Payne so there we go, our new starting PG Kris Dunn.

Hope he lives up to his potential coming out of college soon, we need some excitement to keep us awake in this mess.

Someone put a highlight reel of every shot dunn made last year on youtube. Worth a check. Be nice for a change to see a bulls PG go after it on defense

Since Wade is staying (for now), i sure hope he just sts back and collect his checks. Sit out back to back sets. Maybe play 15 if that minutes. just makes more sense to pair denzel and eventually lavine with Dunn.

I am curious to see how Wade is with his teammates now that Butler is out. A few of the beat guys were saying the young guys didn’t care much for Wade after the public spat.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:58 pm

I don't think the Bulls will have trouble tanking even with Wade. The Heat managed to only win 15 games before going onto draft Michael Beasley at #2. Ofc Wade wasn't healthy and only played 49 games but he was 10 years younger at the time.

Makes me wonder if his expiring contract will be a value of some sort come the mid season.
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