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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:49 am

I'd miss him on ESPN broadcasts, but yeah, JVG is someone who deserves another shot on the sidelines and could be a good choice.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:48 pm

Ideally I'd poach someone from Popovich's staff, seems to have worked well for a number of teams in the past. Van Gundy will also be a good one, as will Lionel Hollins.

Dee4Three, Dunno about McHale, he certainly knows his stuff in terms of x and os but it does seem like he's a shit people manager. One reason why Pop is able to run a tight ship and have no controversies is because he treats everyone the same, McHale lets his stars get special treatment and throws everyone else under the bus. That stuff I think is ultimately what got him fired in Houston.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:48 pm

Valor wrote:Ideally I'd poach someone from Popovich's staff, seems to have worked well for a number of teams in the past.

If that's the case, they should just fire Hoiberg and let Boylen take the helm then. JVG would be awesome but I doubt he or the management will consider each other since we all know that he hates the Bulls organization... I reckon McHale and Hoiberg's coaching style are very similar. David Blatt have a nice resume. He's just ousted because of the politics within the Cavs organization.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:29 pm

I'd forgotten about that. In this scenario he'd have more power, but yeah, he's unfortunately an unlikely candidate.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:08 pm

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Valor wrote:Ideally I'd poach someone from Popovich's staff, seems to have worked well for a number of teams in the past.

If that's the case, they should just fire Hoiberg and let Boylen take the helm then. JVG would be awesome but I doubt he or the management will consider each other since we all know that he hates the Bulls organization... I reckon McHale and Hoiberg's coaching style are very similar. David Blatt have a nice resume. He's just ousted because of the politics within the Cavs organization.

I'd rather not have Boylen, no offense to him but a complete clean slate would be what's best for this organization right now. 1-2 years under Hoiberg and GarPax are 1-2 years too many. :scold:

Blatt would be interesting, but I don't think he'll leave Europe again.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:56 am

I'd be ok with Blatt hiring

One reinsdorf type of move i would be on board with is Doug Collins
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:27 am

Would you - given the power to do so - also give him Paxson's job?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:16 pm

No. does he have any experience in that field.. not counting studio analysis??

Lol not much of a coaching list that we came up there...

who would you guys hire as GM?? We bitch and moan about management. Who should be the replacement?!
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:47 pm

Former Spurs Director of Scouting and current Timberwolves Director of Player Personnel Brian Pauga catches my eye, relatively young guy who's been around learning the trait for the last ten years or so with the Spurs (GMed for the Spurs D-League team), reminds me a lot of current Chicago Bears GM Ryan Pace who worked his way up the ladder from scouting in the New Orleans Saints front office before getting hired two years ago as GM for the Bears.

Scouting background in a good organization is a good recipe for success if you are to rebuild a team i reckon. Young enough to be bold and ambitious, but experienced enough to not do dumb stuff. (Y)
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:04 pm

Sound logic. I like the idea of anyone who held a position like that with the Spurs, given their track record.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:23 pm

Donnie Walsh would be great but if you're looking for a younger one who once worked with the Spurs perhaps Danny Ferry. He's not banned in the league yet right?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:28 pm

I'm not sure the Bulls should hire someone who expresses concern that a potential free agent is "too African" (or whatever it was he said about Luol Deng). They've got enough dysfunction in the front office already.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:38 pm

Wikipedia wrote:The investigation, which included 19 witness interviews and reviewed the contents of more than 24,000 emails, made clear that the offensive language was not Ferry's and none of Ferry's remarks or behavior during the call were motivated by racial or ethnic animus, or by a person's country of origin. To the contrary, the investigation found Ferry shared his own opinion of Deng, recommended him both personally and professionally and ultimately tried to sign him to the team.

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:44 pm

Very well then, I stand corrected.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:53 pm

Ben Gordon signs D-League contract

It looks like Ben Gordon is making a comeback after all.

According to Adam Johnson of D-League Digest, the former Chicago Bulls guard has signed a D-League contract. Making matters more interesting is that the Windy City Bulls are the team that sits atop the waiver list:


Well, we wanted a solution to the team's problems, and here it comes!

Seriously though, it'll be interesting to see what happens there. Best of luck to him; he should hopefully still have a few productive years left in him, coming off the bench somewhere. With the Bulls lacking in three-point shooting, a D-League call-up might not be the worst move they've ever made. Might even work out better than the Rondo signing. :lol:
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:42 am

Ill never forget Ben Gordon going OFF against the Celtics in the playoffs. I always thought he was an underrated player, not sure what happened to him. Maybe he had a bad attitude behind the scenes. The guy was never afraid to take a big shot.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:30 am

His career just fizzled out after he went to the Pistons. He always seemed like he had good character, so it was a bit of a strange downfall.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:31 pm

Sounds Like a good list. TBH I don't know who is a hot GM prospect without doing a search on it lol

Whatever happened to the Portland guy tom penn? He seemed pretty knowledgeable Personnel guy

There's some video of Gordon getting some tips from Abdul rauf. Saw it posted at real GM over a year ago
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:00 am

Surprise surprise. Early speculation but why not pass this along

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/24 ... Chris-Bosh
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:23 am

I mean, great news as far as his skillset is concerned. However, considering his health issues sound like they'll prevent him from ever playing again, or at least finishing a season...what are they thinking here?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:29 am

cries of desperation. Forman may actually be in hot water if the bulls aren't making the playoffs for the second straight year. at the least we can fairly speculate that as Reinsdorf is always eyeing the profit margin.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:34 am

It's even more clueless than their other desperate moves, though. We can criticise the Rondo signing, but at least we're talking about a former All-Star who is cleared to play. In Bosh, they'd be pursuing someone who can't seem to get medical clearance by the standards set for an NBA team. Unless the Heat are trying to pull a fast one and rid themselves of Bosh, it seems unlikely anyone else will be able to get medical clearance for him to play either.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:08 am

No disagreements here. Getting young and athletic eh? :lol:

Actually went to the sacto game. That cousins guy is a big dude. Zipser was good!
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:14 am

#FreeZipser?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:03 pm

so... how are we doing for the season?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:34 pm

Well...hanging in there in the top eight. That's probably the best you can say about things so far.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:43 am

Andrew wrote:#FreeZipser?

I'm just glad he is not terrible. Nice for a change a 2nd round pick played some decent ball in meaningful minutes

I accept they are bad but I think the most frustrating thing this year is you just don't know when they will have a good game. I've missed some Jimmy buckets hero and vintage Wade games because I just couldn't stand to watch them because of the previous game
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:48 am

Yeah, I know what you mean. I was hoping/expecting they'd be a bit better than this; not dominating the league or looking like a championship team or anything, but more competitive and fun to watch. Even setting the bar fairly low, they've been disappointing.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:51 pm

Wade is a disappointment. While he shows up every now and then, I was hoping more from him. Perhaps it was a wishful thinking considering his age and knees.

Rondo though has turned out to be a major bummer. Sooner the Bulls manage to find permanent replacement piece in his place(or Jerian Grant's), better the season will go. I think somebody like Rio Chalmers could become a very good for these Bulls team especially late in the season.

But not all is lost. Jimmy Butler seems like a true superstar. The Bulls can go to him more if more desperate measures need taken.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:40 am

Rondo still sucks but the role he was thought he was going to have went out the door once the bulls got wade. chalmers skillset makes sense. someone that could shoot defend. is that too much to ask?

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"It’s tough in this league, as well because a lot of it also depends on how much money you’re willing to make. It depends on what city you’re willing to be in. So it’s a lot of variables to that. But no question about it, what happens throughout this year as I go into my summer, I’ll definitely take a look at it. I take my career seriously, and where I am, where I want to be, and I will do the same thing this summer."
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:51 am

In other words, "it was nice playing in my hometown for a year".
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:25 am

And the drama continues. Butler and Wade blast the team after a blowing a lead to ATL.... specifically citing lack of effort, not caring, and basically tearing Niko a new bunghole

Looks like things are reaching a tipping point. Trade deadline is feb 23
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:57 am

Rondo's instagram wrote:My vets would never go to the media. They would come to the team. My vets didn't pick and choose when they wanted to bring it. They brought it every time they stepped in the gym whether it was practice or a game. They didn't take days off. My vets didn't care about their numbers. My vets played for the team. When we lost, they wouldn't blame us. They took responsibility and got in the gym. They showed the young guys what it meant to work. Even in Boston when we had the best record in the league, if we lost a game, you could hear a pin drop on the bus. They showed us the seriousness of the game. My vets didn't have an influence on the coaching staff. They couldn't change the plan because it didn't work for them. I played under one of the greatest coaches, and he held everyone accountable. It takes 1-15 to win. When you isolate everyone, you can't win consistently. I may be a lot of things, but I'm not a bad teammate. My goal is to pass what I learned along. The young guys work. They show up. They don't deserve blame. If anything is questionable, it's the leadership.


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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:02 am

The lack of effort and caring seems to have been a theme since Hoiberg took the reins. Successful players should have their own drive and competitiveness, but as the person calling the shots, the coach has some responsibility for motivating players, holding them responsible and accountable, managing personalities, and so on. We've talked about whether Hoiball is effective or not, and whether it's just a case of Hoiberg not having the right players for it to work, but maybe there is an underlying problem of him not being an effective taskmaster. If so, that's going to be an issue no matter who the Bulls have on the roster. I believe Jimmy Butler has called him out a couple of times before about not being tough enough on them. The players need to take responsibility for their efforts (or lack thereof), but at the same time, the best coaches seem to know how to motivate and keep players in line. Perhaps that's something Hoiberg just can't do at the NBA level, for whatever reason.

As for the approaching trade deadline...on one hand I'd like to see them make a significant move, ideally reloading for the second half of the season, or at least setting themselves up to get better in the future. On the other hand, I don't really trust GarPax to make a great move. I can't help but think back to past deals that have yielded useless spare parts and protected picks. I'm all for them jettisoning Rondo, as long as they don't take a worse contract to do so. Might as well buy him out or take advantage of the second year of his deal not being guaranteed, if the offers are just going to put them in a worse position. I'd keep Butler, Wade, and probably Gibson too, but everyone else should be up for grabs...hopefully for more than a benchwarmer who's immediately cut, and picks they'll never get.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:58 am

Rondo makes a lot of sense. We're talking about the Bulls though. Not some first class organization ran my people that know what they're doing

I deducted wades and buckets comments were targeted at management. Sure the players suck but it was management that brought them in. How is Zipser getting minutes over Niko and McDermott?! Hoiberg has a hand at this also but not as significant as Andrew makes it. Wade spoke of players not caring when they lose- that's a result of the environment management created. Remove thibs, bring in a yes man, no one gets held accountable


Sidebar-I think Andrew had it right about Hoiberg a few posts back. Management has their guy who they just can walk all over and will keep quiet.

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:13 am

Seems Rondo disagrees with Butler and Wade.

My vets would never go to the media. They would come to the team. My vets didn't pick and choose when they wanted to bring it. They brought it every time they stepped in the gym whether it was practice or a game. They didn't take days off. My vets didn't care about their numbers. My vets played for the team. When we lost, they wouldn't blame us. They took responsibility and got in the gym. They showed the young guys what it meant to work. Even in Boston when we had the best record in the league, if we lost a game, you could hear a pin drop on the bus. They showed us the seriousness of the game. My vets didn't have an influence on the coaching staff. They couldn't change the plan because it didn't work for them. I played under one of the greatest coaches, and he held everyone accountable. It takes 1-15 to win. When you isolate everyone, you can't win consistently. I may be a lot of things, but I'm not a bad teammate. My goal is to pass what I learned along. The young guys work. They show up. They don't deserve blame. If anything is questionable, it's the leadership.


Of course, a stunt like that isn't much better.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:42 am

you miss Moz's post above? as i said earlier, Rondo makes sense but he was surrounded by 3 HOF'ers, a great coach, and a well run organization.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:05 pm

I did miss it, yes.

As much as I find Rondo to be hypocritical, both in criticising public criticism by making an equally public criticism, and the fact that he's got a history of being a headache, said hypocrisy doesn't automatically invalidate his point, and there is some sense to it. I don't think he's setting a good example as a veteran, or really helping anything with such a passive-aggressive post, but yeah, he does still have a point.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:51 am

That was one long fancy sentence there, kind sir

This is great now that the story went national media!

Thank you, Rondo for being Rondo. GarPax- you made your bed. Now go sleep in it

I cannot wait for managment's response. My feet will be up while I eat my popcorn
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:12 am

This is a bloody farce, absolutely disgraceful stuff (though I'm guessing we all expected it sooner or later). I literally started laughing when I read what Rondo said about him being a good teammate.

So here's whats been going on...Jimmy "likes controversy"; Gar spoke for 1 min-ish and took no questions; and apparently (and most alarmingly) Rondo has "great relationship" with the young guys

So our young guys are all heavily influenced by the little prick that is Rajon Rondo? Time to burn the farm and clean house I say. Roster spots 1-15, GarPax, Hoiberg. GET RID OF THEM :furious: :furious: :furious:

This has got to be the biggest disaster the franchise has had. Hoiberg is worse than Vinny Del Negro and just a tad better than Tim Floyd. Rondo is the worst signing since Ben fucking Wallace. Does he have a point in his little instagram post? Yeah maybe. Is he still a hypocritical little shit who destroys lockerrooms wherever he goes? Definitely.

Gosh it sucks being a Bulls fan :wall: :wall:
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:22 am

Amen

I guess we shouldn't be surprised grandpa Simpson didn't take questions

A competent owner would have cleaned house already. Let's just hope this now national embarrassment can push Reinsdorf to it. Sad to say but a losing streak is needed
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:35 am

Makes you wonder what dirt Paxson has on the Reinsdorf family. Perhaps his long tenure with the team has simply bought him...well, tenure? Then again, I suppose as long as the team is making money and the people who have established power within the franchise get to wield it, no changes are going to be made. A little disheartening, to say the least.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:27 am

Woj Report: The Unraveling of the Bulls

Also, more on the aforementioned continued fallout.

“Um, I won’t lose sleep at night,’’ Rondo said when asked if his future with the Bulls was further in doubt. “I’m going to continue to be Rajon Rondo, and that’s all I can be. I’m going to come in here and work, do what I can for this team while I’m here. However they use me, that’s what it’s going to be.’’


I suppose if they were feeling particularly petty, they could bench him, and then release him after March 1st, so he couldn't sign on with a Playoff team. It wouldn't totally surprise me if they did that, though it would mean paying him to do nothing.

Also, looks like Butler and Wade won't start the game against the Heat as a disciplinary measure. Rondo isn't facing any discipline, though he's already coming off the bench anyway. So much dysfunction.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:22 am

Andrew wrote:Then again, I suppose as long as the team is making money

That sums it up nicely. Reinsdorf is a business man and unfortunately he is a loyal guy to a fault.

The more national stories piling on the Bulls, the better. Bulls bumping sacto off as most embarrassing ran franchise in the league

Just get rid of Rondo already. I think its clear no team will give anything of value for him. Buyout and done

And keep on losing. Time to get on the philly bandwagon
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:49 am

If they can get someone like Embiid, then I can trust in that process.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:52 am

They would pick that type of player but turn around and trade for him $1million, the rights to tyrus Thomas, and victor krapper :lame:
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby mp3 on Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:09 am

I can understand why some Bulls players want Wade to practice more, sure he's a legend but it's his first year with a new team and things haven't being going great either.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:27 am

Bulls' young guys are just not that good. They are all expendable and ain't gonna get you much back. I am not surprised Butler's been yanking at them all year last season and now Wade joins him on it.

Isn't Wade the best trade asset Bulls have? I think that option should be explored. Perhaps a pick and another young player with better potential.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:26 am

air gordon wrote:They would pick that type of player but turn around and trade for him $1million, the rights to tyrus Thomas, and victor krapper :lame:


You think they'd get that much in that situation? You're more optimistic than I am. ;)

NovU wrote:Isn't Wade the best trade asset Bulls have? I think that option should be explored. Perhaps a pick and another young player with better potential.


In terms of what they could get in return, I imagine Butler is their best trade asset.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:43 am

mp3 wrote:I can understand why some Bulls players want Wade to practice more, sure he's a legend but it's his first year with a new team and things haven't being going great either.
wade's been mostly bad on back to backs. not sure if him practicing more is going to help that.. or make him get back on and play defense


NovU wrote:Bulls' young guys are just not that good. They are all expendable and ain't gonna get you much back.

correcto which is why i do not think it's worth trying to build around Butler (and Wade) for another year.

Isn't Wade the best trade asset Bulls have?

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