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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:43 pm

Andrew wrote:I'm guessing the talks weren't very serious, and that he's more likely to go to Cleveland

If he's really willing to just sign for the minimum, why not just go to the TWolves then if he'll just be a backup PG... At least in there he might be already familiar with the system since Thibs is at the helm.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:40 am

Easy road to the Finals, though.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:26 am

shadowgrin wrote:I hate Colangelo but I doubt he's stupid to allow himself to be bamboozled by GarPax.
Most likely scenario of Okafor being traded to the Bulls involves a three-team trade or the Bulls giving up 1st round picks.

i agree with this. player wise maybe Niko would mildly interest them... along with a 1st round pick

okafor would be a decent buy low candidate though

Andrew wrote:I'm guessing the talks weren't very serious, and that he's more likely to go to Cleveland. I still wish him well, but it's no surprise that he doesn't have any leverage in terms of his asking price.

agreed again. what is his alleged asking price?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:26 am

I haven't heard any specifics, but I dare say it was considerably more than settling for the minimum. Of course, tough to get anything like that when your skillset hasn't adapted to the new three-point heavy NBA game, and you're coming off yet another knee injury.

It'd be great if they could pick up Noel with what they've got left to offer. It doesn't seem like the Mavericks, or anyone for that matter, is rushing to sign him. With that in mind his leverage is slipping away as well, though the Mavs would be able to match any offer as he's an RFA.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:27 am

i dont think noel had/has any leverage... similar to the Niko situation. if there was another team willing to offer what they (or agent?) is asking for, a deal would be done

how much would you be willing to offer per yer to Noel and how many years??
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:02 am

Probably something in the $8-10 million range, for a couple of years.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:05 am

interesting. thats a similar amount to what felecio got
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:58 am

Sign Nerlens at 10+ per year for 4 years. He's only 22, suits right in for Bulls youth movement. I'd much rather have Noel than Mirotic. Unload Lopez and Mirotic, and we'd have nice Markkenen, Nerlens, Portis rotation with balance in shooting, offense, defense, and length. Ofc tho, I don't count on Garpax neither to make anything positive like this to happen. The Bulls have been the biggest losers in the summer league with Payne, Dunn, Markkenen, and Valentine all under-achieving. The Bulls also are playing out to be the losers in offseason movement(or non). Dayuum...
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:01 pm

air gordon wrote:interesting. thats a similar amount to what felecio got


I'd say Noel's a better investment at that price. It could be a decent rotation in the middle, if it comes to pass.

NovU wrote:Sign Nerlens at 10+ per year for 4 years. He's only 22, suits right in for Bulls youth movement. I'd much rather have Noel than Mirotic. Unload Lopez and Mirotic, and we'd have nice Markkenen, Nerlens, Portis rotation with balance in shooting, offense, defense, and length. Ofc tho, I don't count on Garpax neither to make anything positive like this to happen. The Bulls have been the biggest losers in the summer league with Payne, Dunn, Markkenen, and Valentine all under-achieving. The Bulls also are playing out to be the losers in offseason movement(or non). Dayuum...


No question, I'd take Noel over Mirotic as well.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:46 pm

IMO Dallas would match a $10 mil per year contract. Given his status as a 22yr old with untapped potential (and risk) and RFA, my guess is the contact offer Has to be an overpay in order for Dallas not too match

Of course the bulls are losers though don't mistake non movement for mediocrity. The cavs are having a worse off season
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Sauru on Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:53 am

NovU wrote:
Sauru wrote:
NovU wrote:The Bulls are looking like a 15-20 win team. Well, free Wade Garpax.



it was wades choice to stay so we dont need to feel bad for the guy

I don't.

It's probably a matter of time, he'll either be traded or bought out. It'd be very nice to see him playing meaningful minutes next season. My wish is for the Warriors, lol.



i agreed with everything and then you said the warriors and i broke my monitor. damn it all
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:20 pm

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:14 am

Lol that was random. Wonder how long it took for him to get traded after that interview

Good ol Eddie "e-robbery" Robinson still has an axe to grind with Pax. He has some choice comments in an interview on the Chicago trib. Lol still has a beef about the headband rule

Still a punk in my book. Should be grateful he got that fat contact from the bulls
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:56 am

That was coming up to the trade deadline in 1984. He was then traded to the Kansas City Kings for Steve Johnson at the deadline.

The Bulls continued to flounder and finished the season 27-55, which landed them the third pick of the Draft. That in turned landed them Michael Jordan, which obviously turned out pretty well. Unfortunately, the dysfunction never went away.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:32 am

Oh cmon lol. That dysfunction lead to a happy ending. Who doesn't like happy endings?

And Reggie ended up with his own show
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:49 am

Hey, it makes me appreciate those teams even more, hearing about the kind of dysfunction they rose above! Even dysfunctional organisations win championships.

Reggie Theus also ended up doing the commentary for NBA Live 2000 back in the day, though as Lutz put it at the time, he must've had a plane to catch when he was recording his part.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:03 pm

I will always remember Reggie Theus who supposedly banged so many Bulls groupies, one of them ended up as Michael Jordan's ex-wife. Theus is still no match for Magic Johnson's mansion orgies tho.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:51 am

Dropping the knowledge there. You think AC green and magic hung out?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:15 am

Sure, Green just went home early.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:40 pm

I'd imagine AC going room to room preaching before the orgies start then leave for home after he's done the good Lord's work.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:47 am

Looks like no major changes to the jerseys with the new Nike designs. Relieved to see it.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:54 am

Lost amongst the off season F grades the bulls are receiving, they still maintain their leverage over Niko

Again id very much would like them to get Noel but Cuban would easily match anything under $15mil per. Bulls would have to offer a hard away type overpay to land him IMO. Not worth it

Too bad Dallas wouldnt be interested in Niko

And just to make Moz happy I think the bulls should low ball offer for okafor. Why not? He may not even be the backup for embeast
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:30 am

Credit where it's due for not overpaying Niko, I really thought that they would. Still time I guess, but it does seem like they understand the situation, and that they don't have to bid against themselves.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:32 pm

I am guessing Niko's deluded and asking too much. Market's crazy but market demand for Niko should be fairly low considering how he inconsistently performed since coming into league and how little development window has left considering his age of 26.

Only reason the Bulls really want him is probably because he's hit most the 3s last year? Tanking team wouldn't need that imho and he's not much of asset unless re-signed at bargain deal.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:37 am

NovU wrote:I am guessing Niko's deluded and asking too much. Market's crazy but market demand for Niko should be fairly low considering how he inconsistently performed since coming into league and how little development window has left considering his age of 26.

Only reason the Bulls really want him is probably because he's hit most the 3s last year? Tanking team wouldn't need that imho and he's not much of asset unless re-signed at bargain deal.

Possibly his agent wants more $ though I do think him being a free agent this year instead of last year is playing a part

The reports of him still working out at the bulls camp and skipping to play for his national team (1st time to do this)...sounds like he wants to resign

I don't think management cares either way as he doesn't move the tanking needle significantly

My guess they'll be content on giving him the QO
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:51 am

I'd be OK with that, if they do. Gotta fill out the roster, it's only a season and not for very much, and as you said, he's unlikely to have a big impact either way, given his inconsistent play. I have my doubts that he'll turn in a spectacular year, bolt, and leave them feeling like they should've taken a chance on him with a big contract, so it doesn't feel like a risk.

At the same time, if he does go elsewhere, I have absolutely no problem with that either. As long as they're not giving him a big, long-term contract, I don't think they can really go too wrong here, especially with the way they've handled the situation so far.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:10 am

question- who is going to score for this team? especially when wade sits out and then eventually bought out? Lavine's return date is a mystery too

maybe resign niko after all
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:16 am

Topping 80 points is going to be cause for celebration. Not a lot of free food giveaways this year, I imagine.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:47 am

Who cares. Mirotic won't get you anymore than 3-5 wins.

Bigger issue is at the backcourt unit. Nobody's an above average shooter neither above average playmaker. Spacing and playmaking abilities are absent from backcourt unit. Jerian Grant is your best bet will need to play heavy role but guaranteed Lavine, Dunn, Wade are gonna be favored.

Prediction for the best Bulls rotation(+/- wise) as of now?

Grant at PG
Lavine at SG
Zipser at SF
Portis at PF (or Mirotic if he stays)
Lopez at C

Ofc that's with Markkanen being the x-factor depending how good of a rookie he is. But still looks more like a 2nd unit line up on a mediocre team. Thinking this is the best Bulls rotation with highest chance at winning the game, is just, nice.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:07 am

Yeah you are right. They do need someone out there to create shots which is why I partly am in favor of keeping Niko. That lineup you have there is junk and reminiscent of Ron Mercer bulls. This will be a painful year indeed.

think grant is ok. Had some good performances down the stretch but Lost coach Fred's trust in the playoffs. I'd rather see what Dunn can do. Thanks

I am very interested to see the hoiberg offense in full effect. Maybe Dunn can succeed as he develops his outside game if he's in a lineup with shooters.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:27 am

The fact there is an era that could be referred to as the Ron Mercer Bulls is indeed a depressing memory. My apologies to Fitzy, wherever he might be.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:18 pm

just for shits and giggles. butler who said he wanted to stay with bulls was traded for lavine, dunn, 8th pick (but had to trade their own 1st) while Irving who said he wanted out netted IT, crowder, brooklyn pick, and the big euro.

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:21 pm

And yet, Pip says the fans need to give GarPax a chance. :roll:
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:40 am

Pip knows who is signing his checks ;)
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:01 am

This is true. Of course, the same can't be said of ESPN's "expert analysts", and they're saying the same thing. I think we Bulls fans have been plenty patient already. It makes you wonder how much of a (further) chance they think GarPax should be given.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:48 am

fans donating money to a sign "fire garpax" in the city sounds like no more chances for the duo

but since its a rebuild, how much longer of a leash should they get? keep in mind most total rebuild teams take a few years just to get back to the playoffs.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:23 am

I mean, I don't trust them to formulate a good rebuilding plan, so I would say no more chances and fire them right now. That's not happening though, so I'll say this season. Let's see how well Markkanen turns out, and how much promise he has. If that turns out to be a shrewd pick, let's see what else they can do. If he shapes up to be a bust, show them the door. Rebuilding relies on them drafting well, so if they can't even do that on top of all their other blunders, it's not going to get any better.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:57 am

Yeah I agree and would add Dunn also factoring in on garpax's fate

I think The Boston Cleveland blockbuster indirectly puts pressure on those 2 to succeed.

Wade buyout situation is somewhat amusing. A few blurbs on Wade's kids enrolling in FL school this year and Haslem consoling wade.

Wade prolly wants to go on the banana boat. Too bad he won't walk away from the $20 million. Looks like garpax have the leverage
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Jackal on Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:13 pm

They should just let Wade rot away at home. It's such a messed up situation. He signed a big contract Chicago gave him, that's good on him. Chicago fucked that up. Then he calls the young Bulls out and is now hated by the team. His only friend in Butler is traded. You're given the chance to opt out and seek greener pastures. You don't. You take the money. Well then be a professional about it and stick it out (for what you chose) instead of hoping for a buyout in which you get your money and greener pastures.

Fuck that. Don't wanna play? Go sit at home and collect paychecks. You're not joining your buddies on our dime. Should have opted out for that then.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:10 am

Haha well said. I hope I don't hear the chatter "another disgruntled mistreated veteran by the bulls management"

No coincidence Rondo was voted as favorite teammate. Too bad the vote wasn't published
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:29 pm

I thought Wade's being hated by teammates was more of invented story by some writer that likes to sell big stories. With likely divorce coming, might as well make it grande and make it more interesting. It'd be nice and fun to hear inside story by people involved though.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:52 am

cowley is legit haha

bulls beat writer Nick friedell was on espn earlier this week more or less corroborating the "invented" story. the link is on the bulls reddit page

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:53 am

"Garred" is a verb, now.

“We knew the second practice [after he was acquired] that he couldn’t play at [an NBA] level,” the source said. “The only reason it took two practices was because we thought maybe it was nerves in the first one.
“Any [Bulls] coach who says differently is lying. … We got ‘Garred’ on that one.”


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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:41 am

Buhaha. Story is by Cowley? Venture a guess who his source is? Haha. Adios to Payne and his all too easy puns

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz The Boz on Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:46 am

air gordon wrote:question- who is going to score for this team?

If Niko will not return, I guess Dunn since he can make his own shots. It would be hilarious if Robin Lopez ends up as the top scorer of this team :lol: . Dark horse will be Blakeney. We all know of Grant's capabilities and if Dunn never pans out, he's the next guy up. He reminds me of Will Barton I don't know perhaps because of his motor.

NovU wrote:Prediction for the best Bulls rotation(+/- wise) as of now?

Grant at PG
Lavine at SG
Zipser at SF
Portis at PF (or Mirotic if he stays)
Lopez at C

I reckon Dunn got the starting job. Grant was already tested and it's not a good sign if your team prefers MCW over you...

NovU wrote:I thought Wade's being hated by teammates was more of invented story by some writer that likes to sell big stories. With likely divorce coming, might as well make it grande and make it more interesting. It'd be nice and fun to hear inside story by people involved though.

He's part of the Butler baggage so that's expected although there are locker room reports that he tends to skip practices. Rondo being vocal about him being with the young guys' side doesn't help that matter also...

Andrew wrote:"Garred" is a verb, now.

“We knew the second practice [after he was acquired] that he couldn’t play at [an NBA] level,” the source said. “The only reason it took two practices was because we thought maybe it was nerves in the first one.
“Any [Bulls] coach who says differently is lying. … We got ‘Garred’ on that one.”


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Still shaking my head of what have become of Gary Harris and Nurkic especially the former. He would've been a perfect wing combo with Butler... Also, what happened to that Kings pick was like the finale of How I Met Your Mother. We all know what they would end up and yet the front office made it more anti climactic...

air gordon wrote:At least the Finn rook dropped 22 in Euro play the other day

Please don't be a McDermott sequel...
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:40 pm

And now Markkanen is injured. Wonderful.

For this week's Friday Five, I picked five teams that'd be fun to play with in the franchise modes of this year's video games. In doing so, I noted that I'm usually inclined to pick the Bulls, being my favourite team and all, but right now that prospect is about as appealing as controlling the Ron Mercer Bulls back in the day. I actually went ahead and fired up NBA Live 2001 to get a screenshot of that roster...

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...and you know what? That's a better roster than they currently have, all things considered.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:22 am

haha andrew busting out the 2001 live roster. benjamin and his awesome dunk rating. fizer would turn out to be a stud in franchise mode. ah good times
Still shaking my head of what have become of Gary Harris and Nurkic especially the former. He would've been a perfect wing combo with Butler... Also, what happened to that Kings pick was like the finale of How I Met Your Mother. We all know what they would end up and yet the front office made it more anti climactic...
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Garred indeed

Please don't be a McDermott sequel..

ay please no. i am encouraged by his play. so far dude looks good. even coach nick gave him some love on bball breakdown
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:13 am

On a brighter note, it seems Markkanen's injury wasn't serious. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but he has played well. I'd like to think there's a chance he'll pan out.

I'll always say this of Fizer. I was somehow able to package him with Jalen Rose and Roger Mason Jr. to get KG in NBA Live 2004's Dynasty Mode, so if nothing else, he accounted for at least one very enjoyable video gaming experience for me! In real life...yeah, not one of Krause's better moments. Too bad Crawford end up flourishing elsewhere, too. A steal getting him on Draft day for Chris Mihm, though.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:13 am

I'm enjoying it. This is the best comp he's faced yet and he's doing well. Once he starts facing NBA players it will get dicey...

It's been a nightmare of a season and off season. Nice for a change something positive happening
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:53 am

Happy Doug Collins is back with the organization even if it's in a mysterious front office role
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