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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:19 am

Melo for Love? Well, Phil is ambitious, gotta give him that.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:40 am

Derek Fisher says he got more from less talented Knicks team

As he nears the one-year anniversary of his firing, Derek Fisher said the New York Knicks were doing a better job with less talent when he was head coach than they are now under Jeff Hornacek.

Team president Phil Jackson fired Fisher on Feb. 8, 2016, after the Knicks started the season 23-31. This season's Knicks are 21-28 entering Tuesday's game in Washington, with a roster assembled to win now.

"We were able to take a team that wasn't as talented as the team they have now, and we were much better and much further along than this group is that they have now," Fisher told Bleacher Report. "Because the foundation was being laid.


Mind you, Fisher did make reference to the Knicks being able to win 60 games prior to the season in which he got fired.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby mp3 on Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:30 pm

He does have a point though, the Fisher lead knicks lost every game but the effort was there while the new knicks take too many plays off.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:26 pm

There were also fewer big names on the roster, gotta give him that as well.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:56 am

NBA Finds 14 Incorrect Calls in Knicks-Hawks 4OT Thriller

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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:06 pm

As usual, I kind of like the transparency, as it lets us know that the NBA does evaluate the officiating. At the same time, fat lot of good it does now.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby mp3 on Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:13 pm

Didn't they miss a call when the Greek hit the game winner were he had his back to the basket backing down for 6 seconds but they missed it.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:28 pm

Yeah there's been a few noteworthy errors acknowledged so far this season.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:57 am

Sickening, just sickening what I saw last night. Even KP has regressed (not surprising, considering it's the Knicks). It was so bad the crowd cheered for Artest. These clowns are stealing money, including Phil Jackson, who has proven to be just as incompetent as Isiah Thomas.

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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby mp3 on Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:12 pm

I'd keep the young core and Jennings and even O'Quinn has impressed at times but Melo, Rose, Noah, Lee have all being garbage.

Melo may put up numbers but he only gets his own and never buys into a system that isn't iso.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:27 am

Instead of arresting Oak, they should have arrested James Dolan for ripping off Knick fans the past 15 years.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1864 ... are-garden


UPDATE: The dude who filmed the whole thing (season ticket holder Ryan Berger) is on with Mike Francesca right now. According to him, Oak said nothing, and didn't become abusive until he was surrounded by security.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:14 am

Definitely an unfortunate situation. Meanwhile, Spike Lee has made his thoughts be known on the Melo-Jax conflict:

Legendary director and superfan Spike Lee didn't hesitate when asked if he would choose to keep team president Phil Jackson or star forward Carmelo Anthony with the franchise.

"I'll pack Phil's bags for him," Lee told Tencent-ESPN's Steve Zeng.

The latest Jackson-Anthony drama stems from Jackson's tweet Tuesday that referenced a column published on Bleacher Report that was critical of Anthony.

"I think I still believe in Carmelo, but Phil Jackson is making it very difficult for him," Lee told Tencent-ESPN on Wednesday.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Sauru on Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:42 pm

this is another situation where people seem to be taking sides without any information what so ever.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby mp3 on Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:23 pm

Who's the most disfunction team now Andrew??
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:00 pm

I reckon it's still a close race. The Bulls PR is terrible, and they're looking at retaining GarPax beyond this season.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:49 pm

Sauru wrote:this is another situation where people seem to be taking sides without any information what so ever.


Considering Dolan's history, I'm taking Oak's side. My opinion is, Oakley bought a ticket. Attended the game. Dolan didn't like that he was sitting next to someone he dislikes. He had someone ask Oakley why he's sitting there. Oakley told them he bought the ticket. But Oakley likely got sensitive to Dolan questioning him and got loud when he felt they were staring at him. Dolan demanded he leave. Oakley felt he didn't have to because he bought the ticket. Security comes. Oakley flips out. Knicks do what they do best and lie to the media. .

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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby air gordon on Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:53 am

This Oakley incident puts NYK in the lead as the most dysfunctional franchise

It would be great if Oakley said he longer is a fan and that fans should do the same as long as the owner/management remains
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby mp3 on Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:57 am

Oakley didn't like Dolan from day one and has always being publicly criteria of his moves with the team leading to words being said in the passed that got Jimmy thinking he needed a goon squad around him when Oakley was close.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:52 am

Oakley isn't in the wrong from what I gather. It sounds like Dolan wanted him stopped before he even got to his seat, even before technically doing anything wrong. And Oakley hasn't been wrong of his critiques of Dolan. Look how dysfunctional this team has been for such a long time? Bad move after bad move, not only do they make bad moves in the form of trades and signings (players/coaches), they also don't handle the players well at all. Dolan is horrible with handling conflict, and Jackson is also helping with a path of destruction since he joined the Knicks.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:43 am

Seems the security chief has been fired as well.

A nasty, petty power trip by an owner that makes Bulls brass look professional. Talking about safety and security is ridiculous, and I doubt anyone anywhere is buying it.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Sauru on Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:53 pm

Jeffx wrote:
Sauru wrote:this is another situation where people seem to be taking sides without any information what so ever.


Considering Dolan's history, I'm taking Oak's side. My opinion is, Oakley bought a ticket. Attended the game. Dolan didn't like that he was sitting next to someone he dislikes. He had someone ask Oakley why he's sitting there. Oakley told them he bought the ticket. But Oakley likely got sensitive to Dolan questioning him and got loud when he felt they were staring at him. Dolan demanded he leave. Oakley felt he didn't have to because he bought the ticket. Security comes. Oakley flips out. Knicks do what they do best and lie to the media. .

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i am not sure either dolan or oakley is in the right here. of course more people will back oakley as he has a celebrity status but the fact remains that he was the one getting physical. its funny to me how lebron based barkley and then supports oakley the next week. this story thus far has been nothing but people jumping on sides for 1 reason or another. the idea that he "was a legend" should have no bearing on this event. just because someone is a celebritry does not mean they can do whatever they want.

like i said i dont think either party is in the right here
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:54 am

I thought Barkley et al had a good take on it. Dolan's pettiness is on full display, and it seems highly likely that he was trying to provoke Oakley and make him look like the bad guy. It's probably fair to say that Oak took the bait, and he has to bear some responsibility for getting physical; no matter who you are, you can't do that and not expect some consequences. Again though, it seems like Dolan had an agenda, and the way Knicks PR is smearing Oakley is pretty low. As Barkley said, no one comes out of the situation looking particularly good, but it does seem like Dolan was trying to create a situation that makes Oakley out to be a villain.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:07 am

Andrew wrote:I thought Barkley et al had a good take on it. Dolan's pettiness is on full display, and it seems highly likely that he was trying to provoke Oakley and make him look like the bad guy. It's probably fair to say that Oak took the bait, and he has to bear some responsibility for getting physical; no matter who you are, you can't do that and not expect some consequences. Again though, it seems like Dolan had an agenda, and the way Knicks PR is smearing Oakley is pretty low. As Barkley said, no one comes out of the situation looking particularly good, but it does seem like Dolan was trying to create a situation that makes Oakley out to be a villain.



Andrew, I'd trade the Knicks dysfunction for the Bulls any day of the week. At least the Bulls had some success under Thibs. Right now, the Knicks are lower than they were under Isiah, and he has a better record than Phil. That says it all. And this negativity is not good for Porzingis' development.

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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:59 am

Yeah, I'm going have to go back on my previous suggestion of the Bulls being the more dysfunctional franchise, or at least in the running. The Knicks seem to lead that race comfortably, unfortunately for their long-suffering fans.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Sauru on Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:21 pm

after the shit show of bringing in all these former knicks i am not fully on the side of oakley in all of this. dolan is trying to damn hard to not be guilty of something
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:01 am

Sauru wrote:after the shit show of bringing in all these former knicks i am not fully on the side of oakley in all of this. dolan is trying to damn hard to not be guilty of something



It tells you what kind of a lowlife Dolan is.

Thank your lucky stars for Danny Ainge & Brad Stevens.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Murat on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:01 am

It's so fun to watch drama in New York

I really have no idea why I enjoy this. Seems like Gotham City has a basketball team and needs a Batman to get out of trouble
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Sauru on Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:26 am

Jeffx wrote:
Sauru wrote:after the shit show of bringing in all these former knicks i am not fully on the side of oakley in all of this. dolan is trying to damn hard to not be guilty of something



It tells you what kind of a lowlife Dolan is.

Thank your lucky stars for Danny Ainge & Brad Stevens.



yeah i must admit i am happy with these 2. i am also very happy with Mikhail Prokhorov and Billy King
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:54 am

Interesting take from Mike James, which differs from what a lot of other players have been saying.

Star players have come to Oakley’s defense, but James has a contrasting takeaway. In New Orleans to accept the Bobby Jones Award from the Christian organization Athletes in Action, James told The Post he thinks Oakley needs to grow up in retirement and not act like the “bully’’ he was as a player.

“When people allow who they were to get in the way who they’re trying to be today … it’s about growth,’’ said James, who retired in 2014 after 13 NBA seasons, including a title with the Pistons. “So why not try to figure out a new way — not feel like you’re losing your manhood — that you’re gaining?

“That’s the hardest thing for him,’’ James added. “You lived as a bully your whole life. At some point, even the bully has to realize bullying isn’t really that cool.”


“When you can be the baddest person and yet be the softest person, that’s just about growing up and presenting a different type of person in a different type of way,’’ James added.


It doesn't make Dolan right, of course, but maybe James has a point as well.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:41 am

So, Jennings has been waived, Noah will miss the rest of the season following surgery, and now the Knicks are considering cutting Rose as well.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:58 am

The latest from Phil Jackson's mouthpiece, Charley Rosen.

This is so disheartening.....Phil has lost it. If he's so adamant about running the triangle, why bring in two PnR point guards?

And of course the player who gets the most praise is Sasha.


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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:10 am

Jeez, you're right. That practically makes him out to be an All-Star snub.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:08 pm

Noah must look at his bank account and laugh that he stole Dolan's money courtesy of Phil Jackson. Jackson stole Dolan's money too. He has no clue on putting a roster together. Pat Riley shits on Jackson as an executive.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Stress Fracture on Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:31 am

Should the Knicks start to tank? They have their First Round Pick with them.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:51 am

I don't think they really need to actively tank. They're in enough disarray to lose a lot of games, even if they're trying to win them. To be fair though, I think the same could be said of a lot of teams who are allegedly tanking.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jackal on Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:10 am

Phil is low key tanking anyways. He's doing his best to rid the team of Melo and Rose this off season.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby air gordon on Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:38 am

Wont be hard with Rose. Hes on an expiring contract

Good luck with Melo. Phil shouldn't have given him the 15% trade kicker and power to veto a trade
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Sauru on Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:20 am

the knicks should not tank. i dont believe in tanking. i believe teams should always try to win however. i am behind trading away players for future assets knowing your current team is not good enough to win anyway. the knicks fucked up by not trading away anyone not named porzingis
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:54 pm

Sauru wrote:the knicks should not tank.


Knick fans disagree. We need a can't-miss player to pair with Porzingis and build around them.

Kudos to KP for expressing his frustrations with the team's "confusion". It's an indictment of Phil Jackson, especially when Phil undermines his coach with his triangle sessions during practice.

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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Sauru on Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:29 am

the knicks should have gutted the team before the trade deadline. when i say a team should not tank i mean they should never try to lose. trading away players for younger assets knowing it will cause you to lose more games is fine with me.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:08 pm

Congratulations to the New York Knicks for clinching another losing season, their 13th in the past 16 years and fourth straight under Phil Jackson. Who would have thought he'd be a worse GM than Isiah "Train-Wreck" Thomas?
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Postby air gordon on Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:14 am

Sauru wrote:the knicks should have gutted the team before the trade deadline. when i say a team should not tank i mean they should never try to lose. trading away players for younger assets knowing it will cause you to lose more games is fine with me.


Easier said than done when your assets are limited

Not every team is stacked like Utah or celts ;)
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:14 pm

During the Riley/Van Gundy era, the Knicks had an identity, a culture and consistency. Phil hasn't established that with the constant coaching changes, his insistence on forcing square pegs into round holes (while undermining his coach), questionable personnel moves and his passive/aggressive behavior toward his star player. He was supposed to end the usual Knick drama, but he's kept it going. And eventually, KP will get tired of this s*** - just watch.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:35 am

Jeff Hornacek Says Knicks Will Exclusively Run Triangle Offense Next Season

The problem with the New York Knicks this season has apparently been not enough triangle offense.

When asked Wednesday whether the squad as currently constructed could make the playoffs, head coach Jeff Hornacek explained that it depended on the system.

"Obviously, if we go into it like we did this year—no," Hornacek said, per ESPN.com. "If we turn around and have a different way we start, go right at however we're going to run it next year, if it's full triangle, it's possible. You never know how these things will fit. Maybe a second year is helpful for us."
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Andrew on Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:27 pm

Sources: NBA suspends Knicks center Joakim Noah 20 games for violating anti-drug program

The NBA is suspending New York Knicks center Joakim Noah 20 games for violating its anti-drug program, league sources told The Vertical.

The NBA plans to announce the suspension on Saturday, league sources said.

Noah tested positive for an over-the-counter supplement that is prohibited under the outgoing Collective Bargaining Agreement, league sources said.

Noah, 32, is expected to serve 10 games of the suspension to finish out the 2016-17 regular season and 10 games to start the 2017-18 season, league sources said.


Seems like a moment of carelessness or misunderstanding more than anything else, but still, yet something else going wrong for the team.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby mp3 on Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:53 pm

Was he eating Vaseline? Pretty sure that's what playing for the knicks does to you.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jeffx on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:41 pm

Andrew wrote:Jeff Hornacek Says Knicks Will Exclusively Run Triangle Offense Next Season

The problem with the New York Knicks this season has apparently been not enough triangle offense.

When asked Wednesday whether the squad as currently constructed could make the playoffs, head coach Jeff Hornacek explained that it depended on the system.

"Obviously, if we go into it like we did this year—no," Hornacek said, per ESPN.com. "If we turn around and have a different way we start, go right at however we're going to run it next year, if it's full triangle, it's possible. You never know how these things will fit. Maybe a second year is helpful for us."



Triangle, triangle, triangle.....the problem is D-E-F-E-N-S-E, Phil!! Damn, I'm so tired of this s**t. I actually wish Dolan would step in and fire Phil's ass.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby Jackal on Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:43 pm

I read an interesting comment the other day. Basically Phil pushing the triangle is his way of tanking.

Saying he's been as bad as Isiah Thomas is a laugh. The dude messed up with the Noah contract but he's kept the draft picks and at least tried to sign guys who were previous all stars in hopes of competing.

The triangle tank is helping them out with drafting good players. The scary thing with the Knicks if you fire P-Jax and then what? Dolan isn't going to higher anyone "better" than him. It'll be Alan Houston or some shit like that.
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Re: The Knicks Thread....

Postby mp3 on Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:23 pm

We are no better under Phil than we were with Isiah in terms of wins and handing out bad contracts the only advantage is we have our draft picks.
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