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Postby Jowe on Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:32 pm

He had two assists though (Y)

He's already surpassing the lofty stats of the Greatest Centre of all time.


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Postby J@3 on Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:14 pm

It's a dark day for basketball.
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Postby Amphatoast on Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:22 pm

well anther lost for the knicks, this time vs. the lonely hornets. The only positive things that came out of the game was the play of Jermone Williams and Treva Ariza.
I hope Williams stay in the startng line up when Tim Thomas comes back, he has earned his spot. Maybe Tim will do better off the bench. Williams is a excellent defender and rebounder- 2 things tim thomas doesn't provide.
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Postby Matthew on Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:56 pm

Jerome Williams isnt half the threat that thomas is though. You want to surround Marbury with shooters, like houston, crawford and tim thomas, so when he pentrate he can kick it once the defense has collapsed. I like Williams' energy off the bench.
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Postby air gordon on Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:19 am

TheCambyManVol3 wrote:Jerome Williams isnt half the threat that thomas is though. You want to surround Marbury with shooters, like houston, crawford and tim thomas, so when he pentrate he can kick it once the defense has collapsed. I like Williams' energy off the bench.

on offense, definitely yes. defense another story. NYk's defense is one of the worst in the L. i've seen a few stretches where their offense goes in a cold spell and since their defense can't stop anybody, opposing teams make these big runs on them. i thought Crawford'sftraa2qgfre defense was bad but now wilkens is openly complaining about allan houston's. at this point i think NYK needs the boost JYD gives them moreso then the inconsistent scoring TT provides

also- it's possible that NYK's offense can survive w/ JYD holding down the 3 spot for big minutes. look at kurt's game- great midrange shot- ideal for the pick n roll and the kickout. even nazr can step out & hit one. and there's already either houston or crawford out there spacing the floor out
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Postby cklitsie on Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:15 am

I saw this loss coming, it's just really something for the Knicks to lose to the Hornets (unfortunately) :(
Though, Ariza is the shiznit!
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Postby Jeffx on Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:59 am

air gordon wrote:
TheCambyManVol3 wrote:Jerome Williams isnt half the threat that thomas is though. You want to surround Marbury with shooters, like houston, crawford and tim thomas, so when he pentrate he can kick it once the defense has collapsed. I like Williams' energy off the bench.

on offense, definitely yes. defense another story. NYk's defense is one of the worst in the L. i've seen a few stretches where their offense goes in a cold spell and since their defense can't stop anybody, opposing teams make these big runs on them. i thought Crawford'sftraa2qgfre defense was bad but now wilkens is openly complaining about allan houston's. at this point i think NYK needs the boost JYD gives them moreso then the inconsistent scoring TT provides

also- it's possible that NYK's offense can survive w/ JYD holding down the 3 spot for big minutes. look at kurt's game- great midrange shot- ideal for the pick n roll and the kickout. even nazr can step out & hit one. and there's already either houston or crawford out there spacing the floor out


That's what kills me about this current group of Knicks. In the 90's, my boys would lock teams down in the fourth quarter. With a few exceptions, these Knicks are f-n soft. They just don't have that tough, nasty, defensive mentality. Isiah has to bring in players with that kind of attitude.
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Postby Amphatoast on Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:59 pm

knicks still playing like shit vs teams they should beat
latest lost was agains the Bucks at HOME.
I guess MSG isn't so hard to win in anymore..
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Postby cklitsie on Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:30 pm

I gave up on them already, let's just get a good draft pick (although this year's draft is kind of weak)
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Postby Amphatoast on Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:23 am

i have a strange feeling marbury is the one to blame..every team he has been on has kind of struggled..although the play of the other players haven't been good, but marbury is our star player. He needs to be like Iverson and not be a star, but be a superstar.
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Postby Amphatoast on Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:06 pm

Is Marbury a Loser?

eh i'm getting the feeling he is..he hasn't had much success other than statistics, similar to Oscar Roberson ( altho his stats owned)
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Postby Goldberg on Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:12 pm

Great article today on Yahoo! Sports from a Sports Illustrated writer. Its a two part series article. You can find it online on Yahoo and SI.com

The writer pinpoint all that is going wrong with the Knicks (most of it could be applied to the NY Mets and NY Rangers also). In essence, he says that management of the Knicks should stop lying to the fans that the team is only one or two move away from being a powerhouse in the league. There are major problems, the NBA is competitive, and the Knicks refuse to look in the mirror and accept that rebuilding is inevitable.

Instead management continue to lie to the fans (call it marketing or propaganda), and continue to acquire overpaid underperforming athlete, with the result of barely making the playoff and being wipe out in the first round EVERY YEAR rather than rebuilding for a couple of years with youth and using money to add depth to the team.

Oh and he calls "selfish boy" Jamal Crawford signing as a mistake and says Crawford should be bench player... somewhere else. A sixth player.

Oh and I.Thomas should stop coaching during practice when the coach did not invite him.

Anyway, you come out of it thinking, first: many problems, and second: too much money involved to make this writers plan feasable. The Knicks will have to figure out another way to make it happen.
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Postby cklitsie on Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:21 am

They need to get the next Charles Oakley, whoever that might be...
I'd really like to see some players in NY with less 'talent' and more 'effort'.
JYD is (Y), but other than that most players on the Knicks roster have been hyped way to early by the press, mostly when they just came into the league (Tim Thomas, Jamal Crawford, Allan Houston more or less).

The Knicks just need to rebuild, they always say how New Yorkers won't let the Knicks rebuild because they wan't to be in the playoffs every year? Well, I'm a Knicks fan and I know I won't mind seeing 2-3 big losing seasons to rebuild the franchise. At least they can really make the playoffs sometime again and not get the 8th seed because you'll be out in the first round 9 out of 10 times and you're not in the lottery either.

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Postby Jeffx on Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:15 am

Hardcore Knick fans like us know what needs to be done. The problem is Jim Dolan. As long as he's in charge, Knicks will continue to be stuck in mediocrity.
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:25 am

great loss by the knicks allowing 133 points to the suns :D

well from a fan that doesn't really like the knicks, i kind of want them to do well, but if they going to do well, i think isaiah should trade marbury for either a better passing PG or for a superstar thats a SG-SF because it looks like marbury hasn't really made anything happen in new york. i know 95% of the knicks fan like him because he is a native of new york and everything, but if he ain't that franchsie player, you need to trade him for someone who is or they need to change his attitude of the way he plays and just start dishing the ball more than shooting the ball. i know they need him to score at times, but if you look at the teams that actually do good in the league, you see that most of their pg's aren't scorers. nash, parker, bibby, jwill, sura (doesnt take ALOT of shots, but isn't the focal point of the offense), atkins, terry(shoots at times, but not as much as marbz) and ridnour. if marbury can pass the ball to people like crawford, thomas, nazr and all the other platyers on the knicks and if he averages around 14-15 and 8-10apg, you should see a different knicks team.
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Postby air gordon on Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:26 am

nyk wasn't that good to begin with before marbury got there, i don't see why they should be expected to that much better then what they're doing now

you could argue that his teammates are the problem. those other pg's you mentioned just so happen to have all star caliber players to pass to

starbury doesn't have that. he has career underachiever tim thomas @sf, damaged goods in houston and penny. now all 3 of these guys get paid like all stars but are nowhere near that level

kurt thomas of all people is their most consistent perimeter shooter.

nazr's play has been a pleasant surpise but nyk's post game is average at best.

crawford's a nice addition but he's not good enough yet to overcome the team's (and maybe his own) defencies

and to top things off nyk's defense is one of the league's worst

lol if marbs passed even more to his teammates, sure you'd see a different team, they'd be even worse
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Postby Colin on Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:14 pm

People are too quick to blame everything on Marbz. His years in New Jersey were seasons where team mates dropped like flies with injuries and he only had a young, underdeveloped K-Mart. When JKidd got there he had a further improved K-Mart, Richard Jefferson, a healthy Kittles, etc. On the other hand Phoenix blew up the team to get Marbury and it paid off the next season when a team he led provided the toughest challenge for the future champion Spurs over the whole playoffs. The Suns played better against the Spurs then JKidd's Nets did. Then in teh half season before he was traded Amare was injured for most of the time. If he had gotten to play the second half of the season with a healthy Amare their record would definitley not be fucking 29-53.

Had he stayed with KG in Minny that team would be winning championships right now.
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Postby Jeffx on Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:20 am

colin826 wrote:Had he stayed with KG in Minny that team would be winning championships right now.



Yep. If it wasn't for his immaturity(back then), he & KG could have been a dynamic duo.

As for my Knicks, I hope they keep losing so they'll get a nice lottery pick. F--- all that B.S. playoff talk from Isiah & Dolan. I'll suffer through 3-5 losing seasons while we slowly rebuild. Chicago did, now look where they are. They're stacked with young talent.
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Postby Amphatoast on Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:10 pm

Do they get lottery picks? I thought they traded all there good picks to pheniox in the marbury deal..
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Postby Jeffx on Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:10 am

Amp, I'm pretty sure they have a lottery pick this year. I'll check it out.

What do you think about the Larry Brown rumors? Considering Brown's history, I could see it happening. But Larry should think twice. Knicks are handcuffed by Houston's contract, and have one of the worst owners in the league. This team is light years away from being a serious contender.
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Postby John WB on Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:39 am

They have a draft pick this year, so like Jeffx I'm now pulling for the Knicks to lose so we can hopefully get a good draft pick and get some good talent on our team.
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Postby Amphatoast on Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:11 am

a little note-
The Knicks are 2-11 since point guard Stephon Marbury publicly declared himself the league's best point guard.
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Postby Drex on Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:17 am

We could expect a little more from the best PG in the league :shake:
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Postby The GOAT on Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:24 am

LMAO hopefully he will shut his mouth. Asnd when I tell my friend that (he thinks that Marbury actually is the best in the NBA, saying all Kidd does is pass and play defense. What a dipshit.) hopefully he will too.
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Postby Indy on Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:03 am

since hes said that he has moved out of the top 3 pgs in the league.

not because he said that but because of his awful play.
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Postby The GOAT on Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:07 am

Or is his awful play a result of him saying that :?:
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Postby Ataraxia on Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:42 am

Im sure Isiah must be making some phone calls now.....oh well looks like Marbury's cursed himself n his team.....the Knicks need to get focused again and start winning and forget this stupid comment Step's made recently.
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Postby Amphatoast on Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:31 am

anther lost this time vs the clippers leaves the knicks only .5 games behind the raptors for the Tiantic Division bottom. Forget the games, just time to listen to the news the next 20 days or so and see what major change is coming up.

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january 2005 was the worst month ever for the knicks in thir 59 year history finishing 2-13
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Postby Andrew on Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:57 pm

Isiah Thomas had an interesting take on the situation during the Cavs/Knicks game last week. His basic point was that the best players in the league are aware of how good they are and probably all rank themselves #1 at their position - Marbury just came out and voiced his opinion of himself.
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Postby John WB on Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:15 am

I'm a Knick fan and there's no way I could believe he's the best point guard in the league.

He's not even the best point guard in the area.

While Mabury runs his mouth, Jason Kidd prooves he is. Nets have won four straight.

I wouldn't even put him in the top ten at this point.
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Isiah to the Lakers a Possibility?

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Postby Amphatoast on Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:53 pm

lmao now thats f'ed up. isiah thomas ditching the knicks. What happened to his plans. He can't just leave the knicks like that. Then again it may not be a bad time since the knicks got cap space coming up and playing with it and possibly messing up things more might not be good..

but personally, i think it's just the media over hyping this open position

Pat Riley is NOT leaving Miami- his team basically to go to LA.

Larry Brown...didn't he recently state he doesn't have plans to leave
Detriot? I don't get all these Brown rumors of him wanting to leave Detriot to coach anther team. That's back stabbing, and it's a bad idea to backstab on a team that contains Rasheed Wallace..

Phil Jackson...well, i think his name is popping up because he is free..
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Postby cyanide on Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:21 pm

Isiah said he wouldn't leave NY because of his commitment to the team and fans.
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Postby J-Smoove on Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:34 pm

starburys a joke! best pg my ass, glad they were on a huge losing streak.

hahah fucking crawford! hope you like your team, because the bulls are BETTER WITHOUT YOU. bitch.

isiah thomas is just terrible. i don care what you say. he's an idiot. im glad his team is getting fucked up..

people these days are just too damn arrogant. had he not said anything about being the best pg, i wouldn't care and would root for him and the knicks. because of his arrogance, hes getting what he deserves
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Postby MC Hao on Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:43 pm

:cry: :wall: :cry: why? why? why?
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Postby Jeffx on Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:50 am

In today's papers, Isiah said he's here for the long haul. I know folks are giving him a hard time, but really, the Knics biggest problem can be summed up in two words:

JIM DOLAN

Like WFAN's Joe Beningo always said, Knicks are going nowhere with Dolan & Cablevision calling the shots. I think Isiah's realizing how bad upper management is at the Garden.
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Postby Amphatoast on Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:45 pm

very dishearten lost to the kings..but bibby point on a great performanceas him and his 40points helped beat the knicks with "the best point guard" scoring 37
they close to the bottom of the eastern conference, only bucks are beow them right now! ( hawks and bobcats aren't nba teams )
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Postby cklitsie on Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:06 pm

They better not win some more games an finish 9th in the East.
Right now all I want for them is to get a high pick and draft a good senior from college (at least no HS-er)
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Postby Matthew on Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:15 pm

philberttheduck wrote:people these days are just too damn arrogant.


Ditto...

The Knicks do need an overhaul, but i like the moves isiah has done. Give me Marbury, Houston, Crawford, Tim Thomas, Mohammed and Kurt Thomas over Houston, Ward, Eisley, Anderson, Kurt Thomas and KVH anyday. New York realistically needs one legitimate goto big man and they should be really ready to compete in the east. Maybe Thomas will strike gold in a tyson chandler or kwame brown like the pacers did with jermaine oneal.
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Postby Jeffx on Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:04 am

Matt, they also need guys who WANT to play consistent defense night after night(like the Holtzman & Riley/Van Gundy Knicks).
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Postby Ruff Ryder on Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:14 am

cklitsie wrote:They better not win some more games an finish 9th in the East.
Right now all I want for them is to get a high pick and draft a good senior from college (at least no HS-er)

How about a Chris Taft or Hakeem Warrick. I think they could do the job in the post. They just need a little more meat on them.

Stupid Knicks, shiiiit. 14-28 from the FT line, and outscored 9-1 in the last 48 seconds. :evil: :x
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Postby Matthew on Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:02 am

Jeffx wrote:Matt, they also need guys who WANT to play consistent defense night after night(like the Holtzman & Riley/Van Gundy Knicks).

Absolutely jeff, great point. But I dont think they need to bring in many players for that. A strong minded coach can preach that into them, like JVG and Pat Riley did. However a ron artest wouldnt hurt new york in the slightest... and to think grunfeild passed on ron ron and drafted weis :wall:
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:46 pm

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Postby Amphatoast on Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:54 pm

well, marbury continues his 30+pts a game streak but knicks lost a heart breaker tonight vs the 76ers after a lucky win vs. the bobcats.

I think it's officially time to call it a year for the knicks unless some major change happens
( example- spree for tim thomas would be nice..maybe dolan will see he made a mistake!)
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Postby Jeffx on Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:49 am

Amp, the more the Knicks lose, the better off they are in the long run. Let's get a high-end draft pick, and some young boys who can play.

And ship Tim Thomas' ass OUTTA here. Sucker will never fufill his potential.
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Postby Amphatoast on Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:08 pm

i guess you have a point. I have the YES network so I can watch some good ball going on in NJ in the mean time ;)
but this kinda sucks for marbury, he continues to be a "loser."
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Postby air gordon on Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:12 pm

man- some tough losses for the knicks. they've lost a lot of close ones. i read in the chicago trib that tim thomas's game winner against the bobs... tim thomas shrugged his shoulders after that shot, thinking he missed it when the ball the first hit the rim. this true??
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Postby Drex on Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:22 pm

Best PG of the League my ass :x
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Postby Jona on Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:36 pm

Drex wrote:Best PG of the League my ass :x


Oh, mine to. And everybody's ass. :D
Who does he think he is. If his statements were true, the Knicks wouldn't be in the position they are in right now. :?
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Postby Drex on Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:03 pm

No, bitch. My ass is better than yours :crazy:
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