Phil Jackson wrote:The triangle of course is a different matter. How do you teach a system that requires so many fundamental skills to players that really haven't been taught some of that basic stuff (footwork, passing, and all those rudiment type of skills that are learned) that have been changed over the years. It's a different game so I solicited Jeff because Jeff came from a system, Utah had a nice system, and yet he wanted to accelerate the game and play at a pace that present ballplayers like to play at. And yet find a way to try and incorporate it. It's got to be done in a way that doesn't slow the game down but tries to accentuate the things they are trying to do.
New Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek said that team president Phil Jackson has been "hands off" and "helpful" during the preseason as Hornacek installs a new offense in New York. Hornacek's new approach employs less of the triangle offense, which Jackson used to win 11 NBA titles as a head coach.
"Phil's been great. He's not trying to take over and make us do anything. He's given us the leeway," Hornacek said after practice Sunday. "There are some things that we do that aren't the triangle stuff [such as] our early [offense]. Quite honestly, we thought he would say, 'Let's not do that.' Or, 'Let's not do that option.' But he hasn't said that at all."
mp3 wrote:So it looks like Noah has picked up his second injury of the preseason (ankle) and isn't practicing again, may miss sat game vs Boston.
That's two new signings (Rose & Noah) who can't get on court and that's also two key starters. I have a feeling that both players are going to miss way more time than I optimistically thought.
mp3 wrote:Yeah I read on a knicks board that Noah said he was playing regardless but at what level? If he wasn't a 70 million dollar signing I would be to bothered by this. I also think we gave up RoLo in the Rose trade knowing that the knicks and Noah had mutual interest.
Jeffx wrote:Derrick Rose is already bitchin' about the triangle, and he's right......when will Phil wake the f--- up????????? I'm fed up with his stubborness with this stupid triangle. That's why Pat Riley sh*ts on him when it comes to coaching. Pat adjusted his system to the talent he had, but not Phil. He's going to fit square pegs into round holes just to prove to everyone how smart he is.
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Andrew wrote:There's only so many times Jax can fall back on "I won 11 titles with it", especially when the last one was six years ago, and given the players he had on the roster. Put it aside, or find a way to update it so that it can still be effective. If it's not playing to the strengths and style of the players, then surely it can't be considered the best option.
then surely it can't be considered the best option.
Jeffx wrote:The bottom line is, the front office should not be dictating what offense the coach should run. That's ridiculous......where do you see that in the NBA or any other other league?
Jeffx wrote:Quote from Courtney Lee:
"We run the triangle, we practice against it a lot. I think we need to practice against pick and rolls, practice against other looks and whatnot and get comfortable with that because that's what other teams are running."
That's a serious indictment of Phil Jackson. And what the hell is Jackson doing instructing players during practice? He's not the coach.
Typical Knicks circus. Another year of being a joke. This franchise is a f-n waste.
Valor wrote:Jeffx wrote:Quote from Courtney Lee:
"We run the triangle, we practice against it a lot. I think we need to practice against pick and rolls, practice against other looks and whatnot and get comfortable with that because that's what other teams are running."
That's a serious indictment of Phil Jackson. And what the hell is Jackson doing instructing players during practice? He's not the coach.
Typical Knicks circus. Another year of being a joke. This franchise is a f-n waste.
Watching the Knicks-Bulls game right now. They aren't even running triangle. Maybe a shade of it here and there with post entry and cut concepts but it's just a bloody mess mostly and they go back to pick and roll anyways. (And when they do run some of it and move the ball around properly they got wide open jumpshots) Maybe that's the problem? Players not knowing what they are doing because they don't understand it? No offense but if this is the case why can't Jackson come down from his office and giving tips? He IS the most knowledgeable man alive outside of Tex Winter when we are talking about the triangle offense...
Honestly, if he was so adamant about running a pure triangle, he wouldn't have hired Hornacek. Give the guy some slack mate, you are sounding like Stephen A Smith here. Just sayin
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Jeffx wrote:Valor wrote:Jeffx wrote:Quote from Courtney Lee:
"We run the triangle, we practice against it a lot. I think we need to practice against pick and rolls, practice against other looks and whatnot and get comfortable with that because that's what other teams are running."
That's a serious indictment of Phil Jackson. And what the hell is Jackson doing instructing players during practice? He's not the coach.
Typical Knicks circus. Another year of being a joke. This franchise is a f-n waste.
Watching the Knicks-Bulls game right now. They aren't even running triangle. Maybe a shade of it here and there with post entry and cut concepts but it's just a bloody mess mostly and they go back to pick and roll anyways. (And when they do run some of it and move the ball around properly they got wide open jumpshots) Maybe that's the problem? Players not knowing what they are doing because they don't understand it? No offense but if this is the case why can't Jackson come down from his office and giving tips? He IS the most knowledgeable man alive outside of Tex Winter when we are talking about the triangle offense...
Honestly, if he was so adamant about running a pure triangle, he wouldn't have hired Hornacek. Give the guy some slack mate, you are sounding like Stephen A Smith here. Just sayin
Phil is not the coach, he's the president/GM. He should do his job and let Jeff coach his way. But Big Chief Triangle wants to have his cake and eat it too, and show us all how smart he is. Trying to fit square pegs into round holes isn't smart IMO.
And hardcore fans like myself have every right to be ticked. I was 12 the last time this franchise won anything, and they're been an NBA joke for the past 15 years.
mp3 wrote:I thought we were doing it for the season record?
Andrew wrote:With all due respect to Phil and the triangle, it does seem like he wants to have his cake and eat it too. He wants the team coached a certain way, but also wants to maintain the distance of an executive so it doesn't seem like he's directly responsible for what happens out on the court, and he also doesn't have to put in the leg work of a head coach. "Hey, I got you some good players, and handed you an offense that won 11 championships. Not my fault!"
Andrew wrote:Soon to be a two-time interim coach of the Knicks, maybe?
mp3 wrote:He can pass and he can run the break off a rebound but the knicks (Jackson) want us to slow things down and set up the good old slow half court offence once used by Jedi Knights called the Triangle...
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