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2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby NovU on Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:37 am

As the title says, let's rant all we want here.



Embiid has slowly become one of my most disliked players in this league. When he first came into this league, I thought he was just a kid looking for attention with full of confidence. It turns out it's not about being confident or fun but he's just purely a dick. Seems a rivalry between Thunder and 76ers now exists. Their meetings this season were all intense. Sure, I welcome a good rivalry but it all started with Embiid being a dick and won't stop being one. Fuck him.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:05 am

Embiid's a great talent with a bright future as long as he stays healthy, but his attitude bugs me as well. Confidence is one thing, but you need to prove yourself a little more before you can big note yourself like that and not have it seem like hot air. Even then, I'm not a big fan of brashness, so he's probably not ever going to be one of my favourites. As long as he doesn't become the next Gilbert Arenas though, it's hard to argue with the results.

I find myself cringing every time a three-pointer goes up these days. I don't want to say that players falling in love with the three has totally ruined the game, but it does lead to some ugly basketball. Sure, it's worth an extra point so the chart says keep launching them, but when a team bricks five or six of them in a row while passing up good looks around the basket, that hardly seems like a winning strategy.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby NovU on Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:35 pm

Andrew wrote:I find myself cringing every time a three-pointer goes up these days. I don't want to say that players falling in love with the three has totally ruined the game, but it does lead to some ugly basketball. Sure, it's worth an extra point so the chart says keep launching them, but when a team bricks five or six of them in a row while passing up good looks around the basket, that hardly seems like a winning strategy.

Makes you wonder what specifically triggered this 3pt madness era.

Would you say, T-Mac/Carter/Iverson/Arenas era of 2000 decade was better or more entertaining? Afaik the league was suffering due to post-Jordan era boredom symptom so changed a scenery to a faster paced games with more possessions, so it resulted in ending hero ball era and brought us this one. Do understand heroes are still uber important but less halfcourt iso plays for those superstars. Another cause for this was teams turning to moneyball ofc.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby shadowgrin on Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:08 pm

Zone defense being allowed.
Over time the teams got adept at integrating it into their defensive system, zone clogged the inside. Teams had to adjust in breaking it down with screens, cuts, and shooting, which is now what we see today in abundance.


Also, death of isoball is a myth.
Iso plays increase in the 4th quarter even with teams like the Warriors and Spurs.

It's not the old iso we used to see where the ball is given to a player and rest of his teammates go to the nearest parking lot to give the ballhandler more space, now the teammates position themselves accordingly on the court where the ball handler can pass out to them for the three if needed or still be able to run another play.



This is the common isolation we've been used to seeing.
Ballhandler on the weak side, bigs near the post for the rebound, while the other two teammates position themselves to receive a pass or for a shot...not much off-ball activity...

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...especially when everyone else must get the hell out of the way and get them rebounds.

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Now, we get to have these.

Not much space compared to the ones above but there's off-ball activity happening or ready to happen while the ballhandler is isolated, like ongoing backdoor action or screens ready to be put up.

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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:22 am

Zone defense and complete elimination of handchecking have been factors. I think there's also an obsession with breaking the sport down to numbers, popularising concepts such as threes always being better because they're worth more than regular field goals. While that is mathematically true, they're also more difficult and lower percentage shots, which means they're not always going to be the best shots to take. Five threes are worth more than five twos, but if you give up open inside looks to brick every single one of those threes on ill-advised attempts, you've forfeited a good chance to score ten points in a failed gamble to score fifteen. It can lead to some ugly basketball at times.

I found the older style of basketball more entertaining, perhaps because there was more variation between teams and it was less of an impromptu three-point shootout. That's not to say there weren't ugly moments, of course, but it felt less like every team was trying for the same strategy. The thing is, the three-point revolution is still relatively new, so we're not even talking about a "way back in the day, blinded by nostalgia goggles" situation. I preferred the brand of basketball that was being played as recently as 2012/2013 to some of the games I watch these days.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby NovU on Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:53 pm

It's also true for me that I don't find today's basketball or players as much fun/entertaining to watch than before, especially compared to 90s. But perhaps being a nostalgia is a big factor. Listen to jeffx, his time goes way back and he would praise his times of older era basketball. I guess best era really depends on which era you watched growing up as a kid, as you could have more passion and interests invested following the games rather than as a fully mature person with busy life enjoying the game.

That said, I do not think 3 points era of today is a bad basketball just less entertaining. Perhaps it's a product of over-analysis and changes in rules to promote faster paced ball game.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:37 pm

Nostalgia is a factor, but as I said, for me it's a relatively recent waning in interest. The lack of variation bores me, and I do find tossing up threes indiscriminately to be ugly, but I'd agree that overall it isn't bad basketball. There are still games I enjoy watching, and moments that bring me out of my seat.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:19 am

I think a person can have a preference on players/playstyle without being nostalgic. I personally enjoy a lot about todays NBA, but I feel that the competition isn't what it once was. Watching the NBA when Nique was vs MJ in a regular season game, after every basket Nique is pumping his fist, his teammates are clearly taking the game personally and trying to take it to the Bulls. In return, MJ and company are feverishly competing. I just don't see that type of intensity in the NBA anymore, a lot of players seemingly just going through the motions. Maybe it's partially because the money is insane in the game now, below average NBA players are making salaries that have them set for life, which makes them not as hungry in my opinion. The part of the NBA now that bugs me the most is that entitled attitude, not as many hungry players.

That's not saying it's all of them, certain players have that fire. When I watch Lillard, he has that fire. The reluctance to use the post game/mid range game in favor of jacking up three's gives the game less variety. Now, most kids want to be like Curry. You see it when you watch kids in your town playing pickup or in leagues, everything for the most part is a 3. Everything is sizzle with the dribble, and jacking it up. That's the next generation of ball players coming up, so that makes me a little nervous. When it was Jordan/Nique/Drexler/Iverson etc, you had the upcoming players wanting to take shots in between, have more of a repertoire, players that wanted to be tough and wanted to attack.

Again, the NBA isn't all bad. In fact, I like Embiid's fire for the most part. Yes, he tries a little to hard sometimes to talk shit (Sometimes it's poorly done), but overall you can see his competitive nature when he's on the floor. I'd rather have a player like that than one who doesn't show that same emotion, that same hunger.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Sauru on Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:20 pm

Dee4Three wrote: I just don't see that type of intensity in the NBA anymore, a lot of players seemingly just going through the motions.



i think a lot of it also has to do with players mentality. most players in the nba right now know they have zero chance to win the title this season. then there is the fact that players today want an easier road. you see this attitude all the way down to the playground where people will sit our 2-3 games until they get a stacked team together. just a different era. this mindset is not exclusive to basketball either, its just how younger people act in todays world.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:57 am

Sauru wrote:
Dee4Three wrote: I just don't see that type of intensity in the NBA anymore, a lot of players seemingly just going through the motions.



i think a lot of it also has to do with players mentality. most players in the nba right now know they have zero chance to win the title this season. then there is the fact that players today want an easier road. you see this attitude all the way down to the playground where people will sit our 2-3 games until they get a stacked team together. just a different era. this mindset is not exclusive to basketball either, its just how younger people act in todays world.


Agreed, and the ridiculous contracts are just the icing on the cake.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:04 am

I feel like commentary and analysis in the NBA right now is about the worst it's ever been. I think it's a symptom of a bigger problem, though: the whole "hot take" culture that prefers outlandish statements and pig-headed opinions to more nuanced and well-reasoned thought, because the former is what gets clicks, views, and ratings. The big name writers and talking heads are laughably biased, egotistical, and needlessly provocative, instead of balanced, insightful, and credible. It's a shame more impressionable fans eat it up and treat them as an authority on matters, their words as gospel. Again though, a symptom of a bigger issue.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby NovU on Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:45 pm

I get that too. I think it's due to noise marketing. Whoever says more lucrative and outlandish statements, will draw more attention and fans, whether right or wrong. Big farce statements are common and people will follow as long as it sounds cool.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby air gordon on Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:14 am

NovU wrote:Embiid has slowly become one of my most disliked players in this league. When he first came into this league, I thought he was just a kid looking for attention with full of confidence. It turns out it's not about being confident or fun but he's just purely a dick. Seems a rivalry between Thunder and 76ers now exists. Their meetings this season were all intense. Sure, I welcome a good rivalry but it all started with Embiid being a dick and won't stop being one. Fuck him.

so what's this guy been doing? i had heard he had done some good natured trolling early in the season against Drummond backed up with a solid game. after that i haven't been following


Andrew wrote:Zone defense and complete elimination of handchecking have been factors. I think there's also an obsession with breaking the sport down to numbers, popularising concepts such as threes always being better because they're worth more than regular field goals. While that is mathematically true, they're also more difficult and lower percentage shots, which means they're not always going to be the best shots to take. Five threes are worth more than five twos, but if you give up open inside looks to brick every single one of those threes on ill-advised attempts, you've forfeited a good chance to score ten points in a failed gamble to score fifteen. It can lead to some ugly basketball at times.

yeah sure in a literal sense this rings true but really- how often are there open inside looks per game? when's the last game your scenario happened?

ugly b-ball? did anyone call last year's #1 East seeded boston offense ugly? boston was amongst the league leaders in 3pt attempts and made, points from 3pt scoring. and it's the same trend this year for this team


NovU wrote:I get that too. I think it's due to noise marketing. Whoever says more lucrative and outlandish statements, will draw more attention and fans, whether right or wrong. Big farce statements are common and people will follow as long as it sounds cool.

any reference to particularly who you are guys are talking about? tbh aside from Zach lowe's work and an occasional dunc'd on & sam amick podcast, i don't follow much of the national coverage so i'm not in the know

honestly was '98 bulls vs jazz "pretty" basketball?
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby NovU on Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:07 am

air gordon wrote:any reference to particularly who you are guys are talking about? tbh aside from Zach lowe's work and an occasional dunc'd on & sam amick podcast, i don't follow much of the national coverage so i'm not in the know

honestly was '98 bulls vs jazz "pretty" basketball?

Stephen A Smith, Skip Clueless, Nick Wright, Cris, heck even those NBA inside crew are passed as the messengers of today's bball intel/analysts that people blindly learn from. Subversively, this is what really influences today's crowd, greatly, and they'd imitate them and throw around big statements thinking they also sound cool and win the discussion.



98 bulls vs jazz was an entertaining series. pretty ball, can't say. Perhaps Duncan's Dynasty Spurs played pretty ball but people found it boring. I have a feeling people loved Kobe/Iverson's ugly ball so much that it made everyone root for ugly ball to beat pretty ball like the Spurs.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:14 am

You've pretty much covered it there, though I'd also throw in Colin Cowherd and Tom Haberstroh.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Lamrock on Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:26 pm

On modern coverage and analysis: I don't know anybody who actually takes what people like Stephen A, Cowherd, Bayless, etc. seriously. They're like the NBA equivalent of Tucker Carlson.

I follow the NBA subreddit, and it is a bit of a cesspool. The median user age is clearly in the teens, and it shows with memes and hot takes making up the vast majority of the content. It's gotten to the point where they have a separate daily thread for actual basketball discussion.. There's the drawback to the league's wise strategy of catering to a younger audience: kids are the core fan base now.

Some of you might remember when I was a teenager and had just discovered advanced stats. Despite being obsessed with the NBA, I had no understanding of the game's nuances, and got most of my opinions from hot takes, personal bias and win shares.. Hell, I even put money on the Bucks finishing ahead of Chicago in 2011 because the had just acquired Corey Maggette! :lol: I played 2K more than I watched real games. It seems like a lot of today's NBA fans fit that mold.

On TroEl Embiid: He does try a little too hard, and yes, the parallels to Gilbert Arenas are hard to ignore. But the league needs more dicks. There seems to be a big overlap in NBA and professional wrestling fans (not me saying the NBA fixed, which it isn't, like, 75% of the time), and Embiid is a lot like a wrestling figure.

On today's game being ugly due to the amount of threes:

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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:41 pm

In regards to Antoine Walker and three-pointers, there certainly were chuckers back in the day, but he was just one player; it's very much in vogue now. As I said, I think it's the lack of variation that I find boring, though a shootout can also be fun to watch. It does get ugly when both teams are ice cold though, and insist on forcing threes anyway because "threes are better than twos"...which is only true as long as they're going in. I find that part of today's game frustrating and sometimes dull, but I can also appreciate it, too.

I do see the opinions and talking points of those aforementioned "analysts" being regurgitated on social media fairly often, so I wouldn't say that absolutely no one takes them seriously. I think a lot of people do see them for what they are, but I've also seen them praised for making "very good points" (when in fact, they have not), and I do think younger, more impressionable fans tend to eat it up, which is unfortunate. Regardless of whether or not people believe it and agree with them, though, I'm still not a fan. It promotes the whole "hot take" culture, feeding into existing biases, and pig-headed close-mindedness, while devaluing nuanced analysis and discussion. Not to get too off-topic, but it's absolutely the same problem with political commentators as well. Like I said, it's a symptom of a bigger problem. I'm not a fan of the style and approach, at the end of the day. Harmful or harmless, it doesn't appeal to me, and I find it grating.

The problem with Joel Embiid and similar personalities, for me at least, is that it's class clown level antics. That type of act doesn't mature or evolve, it just gets more outlandish as long as the person is willing to behave that way, and the audience tends to outgrow it as well. I tend to prefer the class wit to the class clown when it comes to humour and personalities, and don't care much for brashness. At least it seems like he's going to back it up with skill and production though, so credit where it's due.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby NovU on Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:29 am

The way I see it, 3 point heavy league isn't really the core of the problem. But it's the lack of hero ball that bores and put off older gen fans. With zone D in complete effect with 5 second backing down rule, post up heroes are thing of past now. This forced defense to collapse on all penetration/postups which in result, leaves 3 point shooters more open than before. So the shot selections are forced to be largely different from before while shot selections are quite similar amongst almost every teams of today. Even looking at how the rosters are built, is amazingly different. Teams are actually putting 5 same skilled small forwards on the court these days. Back then we had variety all the time in sizes to styles of each players, and each played to their position whereas we call today's game position-less. I also do find today's ball game much more dull than previous era games. But it is what it is. I have to admit Modern COD games are stupid, Counter Strike Source was 100 times more fun.

Even if you think no one takes mainstream TV analysts/entertainers seriously, that is ultimately what molds everyone's perception and impacts how they make arguments. For a lot of people and especially young uns, TV and facebook memes are the core source of basketball intel. Influence can be direct or subversive over course of time. I'm also with Andrew on this one.

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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby shadowgrin on Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:56 am

Lamrock wrote:On today's game being ugly due to the amount of threes:

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Postby Sauru on Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:49 am

NovU wrote:The way I see it, 3 point heavy league isn't really the core of the problem. But it's the lack of hero ball that bores and put off older gen fans. :



i feel one of the biggest issues is players constantly jumping ship. the younger generation loves all the player movement while the older fans absolutely hate it

another issue and one thats possibly even bigger is social media. players today freely speak their mind and those opinions are heard by everyone with in minutes. in the past you read the paper and saw highlights on sports center and this shielded the players a lot. when they spoke out it would not reach everyone. i feel the players taking to social media all the time is a major turn off for most older fans.


also the players today are much less relatable to the players of the past. its very clear these guys are all multi millionaires. in the past most of the league came off as work horses with some superstars sprinkled in
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby [Q] on Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:01 pm

I dunno, even though I am like 10 years older than them, I can appreciate and relate to all the young Lakers insulting each other on Instagram. It's pretty hilarious. Good to see that they're all friends off the court.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:59 pm

Sauru wrote:i feel one of the biggest issues is players constantly jumping ship. the younger generation loves all the player movement while the older fans absolutely hate it


Definitely a disconnect there. I guess we remember a time when there were more stars who spent their entire career with one team, or at least a decade or more in one place. With players moving on and in particular forming super teams more often, it's become the norm if that's what you've grown up with.

Sauru wrote:another issue and one thats possibly even bigger is social media. players today freely speak their mind and those opinions are heard by everyone with in minutes. in the past you read the paper and saw highlights on sports center and this shielded the players a lot. when they spoke out it would not reach everyone. i feel the players taking to social media all the time is a major turn off for most older fans.


That's a fair point. A lot of people, famous or not, aren't at their best when they get on social media and start firing off hot takes. The notion that there's some innate wisdom in not having a filter doesn't help any of us, and anyone with a big following can get their message out to a lot of people very quickly.

[Q] wrote:I dunno, even though I am like 10 years older than them, I can appreciate and relate to all the young Lakers insulting each other on Instagram. It's pretty hilarious. Good to see that they're all friends off the court.


That's different, though. Banter that's clearly friendly definitely makes them more relateable, and can be fun to watch to unfold.
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Postby [Q] on Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:13 am

Would you prefer that they just "shut up and dribble"?
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:23 am

Definitely not. There is a risk in it though, because while an NBA player may say something intelligent and admirable - and they are of course entitled to use social media to express their opinions on any matter, if they so wish - they may also say something foolish, ignorant, or arrogant. Or get caught out using a burner account. Freedom of speech and the right to an opinion are not shields from criticism or dissenting thought, and there's nothing inherently wise or admirable in simply speaking your mind without a filter. That comes down to what you're saying, and the rationale behind it.

Players shouldn't shut up and dribble, but social media does grant them an opportunity to look bad. The same goes for any of us, of course; famous people just happen to have a bigger audience, and people interested in what they have to say. It's a risk they're taking, and a factor in how their public image is cultivated.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Sauru on Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:09 am

[Q] wrote:Would you prefer that they just "shut up and dribble"?


depends? who is dribbling? javale?
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:45 pm

Back on Embiid, he also has a tendency towards petty and childish stuff like this:

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Basketball is going to get chippy and testy from time to time, but Embiid seems to make something out of nothing.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby NovU on Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:35 pm

Speaking of the devil, Embiid also is notoriously known for trolling in social media. This began before he logged a minute in the NBA. Disrespectful and immature if you ask me, not sure why he acts this way unless he is a pure idiot hungry for attention. Being competitive is not it's all about, his acts are irrational both on and off the court. Not fun, it's just annoyance.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:14 pm

I guess he's a bit of a class clown. Hopefully, he outgrows it before his audience does. It's a bad look, the older you get.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby air gordon on Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:37 am

[Q] wrote:Would you prefer that they just "shut up and dribble"?

this. You sorta have to put up with or just ignore the shenanigans but the nba stars (and modern day athletes) voicing their opinions on today's issues is great. that's one thing lebron james has up on the great michael jordan. jordan would just say republicans buy sneakers too and keep his mouth shut. jordan could've been his generation's jim brown or bill russell.

my rant is nba tanking. while its great to have the close West race between 1 & 2 and then 9 teams vying for the other spots.... i dont even want to watch the bulls play. there probably isn't a set of rules silver can come up with to solve these half ass attempts of nba lineups.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Jeffx on Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:19 am

Andrew wrote:Embiid's a great talent with a bright future as long as he stays healthy, but his attitude bugs me as well. Confidence is one thing, but you need to prove yourself a little more before you can big note yourself like that and not have it seem like hot air. Even then, I'm not a big fan of brashness, so he's probably not ever going to be one of my favourites. As long as he doesn't become the next Gilbert Arenas though, it's hard to argue with the results.

I find myself cringing every time a three-pointer goes up these days. I don't want to say that players falling in love with the three has totally ruined the game, but it does lead to some ugly basketball. Sure, it's worth an extra point so the chart says keep launching them, but when a team bricks five or six of them in a row while passing up good looks around the basket, that hardly seems like a winning strategy.



Call me old-fashioned and out-of-touch old man, but I hate seeing big men take threes, Andrew. I want my big man doing damage in the paint, on BOTH sides of the ball. I'll always prefer basketball played inside-out (that's how I do it in 2K, lol).
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Jeffx on Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:35 am

Andrew wrote:Definitely not. There is a risk in it though, because while an NBA player may say something intelligent and admirable - and they are of course entitled to use social media to express their opinions on any matter, if they so wish - they may also say something foolish, ignorant, or arrogant. Or get caught out using a burner account. Freedom of speech and the right to an opinion are not shields from criticism or dissenting thought, and there's nothing inherently wise or admirable in simply speaking your mind without a filter. That comes down to what you're saying, and the rationale behind it.

Players shouldn't shut up and dribble, but social media does grant them an opportunity to look bad. The same goes for any of us, of course; famous people just happen to have a bigger audience, and people interested in what they have to say. It's a risk they're taking, and a factor in how their public image is cultivated.



No one should "shut up and dribble". We ALL have a right to be heard, whether we agree or not. So many Americans yap about free speech, as long as it's speech they agree with. They conveniently forget about the "right to dissent".

I wonder if the b!tch who told LeBron to "shut up and dribble" told Ted Nugent to "shut up and play" when Nugent said Obama can suck on his gun. I doubt it.

LeBron's following in the steps of Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Kareem, Arthur Ashe, Curt Flood and many others.....using your voice/platform as a force for positive change for the greater good (to make the country better). That's what a real man does. Unfortunately, too many Americans have a problem with black folks (whether or not they're athletes) showing backbone and speaking their minds.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:37 am

Definitely with you on that one, Jeffx.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Stress Fracture on Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:11 am

I still don't get it why people still have problems on athletes speaking out on social issues. So many still sided on Laura Ingraham when she said that idiotic "shut up and dribble" remark.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:47 am

As I already clarified, I don't have a problem with that. Indeed, it's admirable. It's the less admirable behaviour and interactions - like Kevin Durant's burner account - that end up making people look bad. There's wisdom in all of us taking a moment to think about what we're about to say before we put it out there on social media.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby [Q] on Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:56 pm

To me, if they want to give a voice to the voiceless, more power to them. Our country is run by a bunch of old rich white guys with a few women sprinkled in so we need some variety out there
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:19 pm

Again, no argument here about speaking out on important issues.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:39 pm

I've mentioned it in other threads, but I'm still not feeling the changes to jersey assignments/nomenclature. Part of it is frustration that it's such an unnecessary change while other issues that I believe are a bigger problem (officiating, tanking, competitive balance) haven't really been addressed, but I also liked the consistency of the old approach, the idea of having a league-wide standard. To draw the obvious video game comparison, it's like EA or 2K making a noticeable but ultimately inconsequential cosmetic change rather than addressing a troubling gameplay issue.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Stress Fracture on Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:16 am

My only problems with the jersey assignment is that the Lakers use their whites on the road and the Rockets not using it that much lol
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby NovU on Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:41 am

Interesting. Nick takes on our topic. "Should The NBA Shoot LESS Three's?"

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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:22 am

Stress Fracture wrote:My only problems with the jersey assignment is that the Lakers use their whites on the road and the Rockets not using it that much lol


It does seem out of place.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby [Q] on Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:50 am

Andrew wrote:I've mentioned it in other threads, but I'm still not feeling the changes to jersey assignments/nomenclature. Part of it is frustration that it's such an unnecessary change while other issues that I believe are a bigger problem (officiating, tanking, competitive balance) haven't really been addressed, but I also liked the consistency of the old approach, the idea of having a league-wide standard. To draw the obvious video game comparison, it's like EA or 2K making a noticeable but ultimately inconsequential cosmetic change rather than addressing a troubling gameplay issue.

I read that Nike has been overly controlling on which ones teams wear on most nights, as opposed to having teams or players choose. This has led to Lakers wearing their gold jerseys at home like they always have but also away since they're technically away jerseys. It was refreshing to see the purple ones last night. They should have made gold home, purple away and have the white as the statement like the Knicks did

Andrew have the bulls been wearing red both home and away all year?
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:07 am

I think it's mostly been the red Icon jerseys at home, unless there's been a conflict or it's a game where they've worn the white City Edition jersey.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:19 am

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Andrew wrote:They should have made gold home, purple away and have the white as the statement like the Knicks did


Isn't that kind of what they have been doing since like the year 2000 anyway? Home was yellow, with White as the home alternate. Purple was away. I think they split the white and gold like 50-50 for home games.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby [Q] on Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:54 am

Gold has always been home and purple away. They added white in the 2000s as their Sunday jerseys so they actually only wear them on sundays like teams used to do

But yes my point was gold is technically now away with white as home and purple alternate
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:57 am

[Q] wrote:Gold has always been home and purple away. They added white in the 2000s as their Sunday jerseys so they actually only wear them on sundays like teams used to do


Gotcha.

Still, I agree with the people who state they dislike the change of what they are doing with the uniforms. I think it looks sloppy to have two teams wearing away jerseys against eachother, I think it hurts tradition as well.

In regards to Nike taking control of who wears what on any given night, that doesn't surprise me at all. In fact, I expected that from them.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:59 am

Jeffx wrote:LeBron's following in the steps of Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Kareem, Arthur Ashe, Curt Flood and many others.....using your voice/platform as a force for positive change for the greater good (to make the country better). That's what a real man does.

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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:13 am

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[Q] wrote:Gold has always been home and purple away. They added white in the 2000s as their Sunday jerseys so they actually only wear them on sundays like teams used to do


Gotcha.

Still, I agree with the people who state they dislike the change of what they are doing with the uniforms. I think it looks sloppy to have two teams wearing away jerseys against eachother, I think it hurts tradition as well.

In regards to Nike taking control of who wears what on any given night, that doesn't surprise me at all. In fact, I expected that from them.


I can't shake the feeling the advertising patches are going to get worse, too.
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby [Q] on Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:08 am

I'm used to it now but it shouldn't become like WNBA or soccer jerseys
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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby Andrew on Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:29 am

I was personally picturing the jerseys we have in the NBL.

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Re: 2018 NBA Random Rant

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:23 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if the league allows the regular use of leg sleeves again for more space for sponsors.
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