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Postby benji on Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:40 am

Turner and Sullinger were by most metrics key defenders and Olynyk dropped off after what was probably a fluke season, the team as a whole dropped off across the board shot blocking actually, and Horford is not a great defensive player really especially when he starts rebounding like Cliff Robinson and he hates having to man the back line, having someone like Amir or Josh Smith assisting him with clean up duty is different. Turner was especially strong in a Iguodala type way of being able to guard across positions.

I think the key is that we have two seasons on either side of that top five finish where they were mediocre at best, and it's not like they're adding better defenders with each season, they're moving sideways or getting clearly worse (Amir -> Morris) and yet nobody is talking about this from what I've seen.

NovU wrote:Isn't that why it's worrisome. Effective undersized players becoming sudden minus contributors in supposed prime and capable years(agewise) regardless of the issues, minor or major. In fact, Isaiah could be looking at to become a first undersized guy in a long time(since Stockton?) to play at high level entering the 30s. Or derailed as that's where the concern lies at the moment.

Stockton wouldn't be undersized. Neither is Lawson technically.

I wasn't pointing out undersized players "suddenly" becoming minus players I was saying there's never been a player like Thomas, period. Calvin Murphy 40 years ago is the only thing even close. And even he wasn't putting in buckets like Thomas has for multiple seasons. We simply don't have a comparable player. Really, of many sizes, let alone under six foot.

There are a number of sub six foot guards who played as well as they always did through 28 and into their 30s, but none of them were really All-Stars or had other issues like Damon Stoudamire or Nate Robinson. My use of Brandon cut out the years before Brandon had his career ending injury as before and after he never scored even close to Thomas and he was still not yet 30.

Guards hitting the wall at 30 is still a thing but it's been diminished since the rule changes and medical advances. Iverson actually arguably played better until he got to Detroit. Tim Hardaway had his best run after age 28. Chris Paul hasn't dropped off before 30, neither did Mookie Blaylock. Kevin Johnson had effectively a second career after 28. Darrel Armstrong's entire career was after 28. Mike Conley seems to be aging fine.

And Thomas isn't yet even there, him hitting 30 is still two years away, not this season which is the only season that matters for both the Cavs and Celtics because they're both going to be using him as a one year rental scorer for the most part.
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby NovU on Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:34 pm

You could be right. Their defense could decline while their offense keeps up, and thatz gotta be enuf to bring the Celtics down from #1 to #5. I was kinda expecting more balanced drop offs in both offense and defense ratings. I guess we both at least could agree they wont win 50 games again next season either way.


Isaiah indeed is uniquely stellar. I've not seen anyone of his caliber at such size. But that is also the why the concern is greater I guess besides being one year rental. Perhaps his drowned playoffs numbers also contributed.

That said, if he is gonna be hampered by injury, that means he will offer little to no value to the Cavs.
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby air gordon on Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:06 am

Is this really the case of koby Altman just trying to squeeze more assets out of Ainge?

Altman is a snake if this indeed is true. IMO I think this is unlikely. The Cavs are the ones who have more to lose on this one getting voided. The lux tax, disgruntled Irving, etc

I am curious to the exact nature of IT's injury. I remember bo jackson injuring his hip in his prime and it ultimately ended his NFL career but I think it was a different injury and he even played with the white sox
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby benji on Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:01 pm

Called it:
With a Thursday morning deadline looming, the Boston Celtics agreed to send the Cleveland Cavaliers a 2020 second-round draft pick via the Miami Heat to acquire four-time All-Star guard Kyrie Irving and complete the blockbuster trade, league sources said.
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby Bruce on Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:16 pm

All things considered, even if IT does not pan out in Cleveland. The Cavs still got the sweet end of the deal. Kyrie was sure he was leaving the team. Now they have acquired resources to rebuild in case Lebron walks away in the off-season.
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:45 pm

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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby Sauru on Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:28 pm

Bruce wrote:All things considered, even if IT does not pan out in Cleveland. The Cavs still got the sweet end of the deal. Kyrie was sure he was leaving the team. Now they have acquired resources to rebuild in case Lebron walks away in the off-season.



this is why all they were ever going to get was a worthless 2nd round pick. everyone who said the cavs had the upperhand here sounded stupid as hell. this was by far the best deal they were going to get for him. if i was the celtics i would not even have sent the pick but in the long run it wont matter anyway
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby air gordon on Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:53 am

I Like this koby altman

Thankfully the trade got done. Back to the off season/ hello nfl
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby NovU on Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:39 am

This is interesting. Melo should give the Cavs a 2nd look now that the Cavs have more assets to pull off the Knicks trade. Perhaps we could see Isaiah/Melo/LeBron/Love/Thompson line up.
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby Sauru on Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:11 pm

what would they trade to get melo. there is no way the cavs trade the brooklyn pick without lebron signing an extension so whats left that the knicks would actually want
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby NovU on Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:52 pm

Do you Celtics fans not think Butler would have been nicer addition to the team than Irving or 100% satisfied with the way things panned out this offseason.
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby air gordon on Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:23 am

is that a rhetorical question? ainge could crap on a waffle and a lot of celtic fans would eat it up and ask for seconds
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby [Q] on Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:35 am

air gordon wrote:is that a rhetorical question? ainge could crap on a waffle and a lot of celtic fans would eat it up and ask for seconds

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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby Sauru on Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:18 am

NovU wrote:Do you Celtics fans not think Butler would have been nicer addition to the team than Irving or 100% satisfied with the way things panned out this offseason.



is the choise between butler/thomas/bradley vs irving/hayward/tatum? if so i am happy. you can go back to my previous posts where i said i did not want them to trade for butler so for me this is an obvious question. how happy i am about this trade will depend on 2 things, how brooklyn plays this season and if irving signs long term. i am happy to have traded thomas which people should know by now since i have said it in as many threads as possible. i have wanted to trade him for a long time
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby air gordon on Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:57 am

IT saying he may never talk to Ainge again and that he should have sat out the playoffs due to his injured hip.

thoughts by Celtics fans? Novu, the new Cavs bandwagoner?
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:03 am

air gordon wrote:IT saying he may never talk to Ainge again and that he should have sat out the playoffs due to his injured hip.

thoughts by Celtics fans? Novu, the new Cavs bandwagoner?


I don't blame him for being bitter and pissed off. He felt his home was in Boston, he loved it. I don't think he had any idea he would be traded after the season he just had.

In regards to saying he should have sat out the playoffs, that's part of him still being pissed. He says that, but in the moment he has to much heart and fire to sit out, he pushes himself to the limit.
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby air gordon on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:07 am

and on the other side Kyrie Irving is saying it's nice finally be in a sports city. ba zing. see joakim noah had it right :lol:
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby Andrew on Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:28 am

IT's comments led to some interesting debate on ESPN. Paul Pierce, who of course was traded by the Celtics after fifteen seasons, basically found a diplomatic way of saying Thomas is entitled to that point of view, but should also suck it up. Chauncey Billups, who's been traded a lot more in his career (including by the Celtics halfway through his rookie season), had a rather terse reply, and referred to Pierce asking out of Boston. Pierce responded that he didn't want to be traded but knew he would be, and therefore gave preferences as to the destination. The whole conversation was a bit testy.

Thomas' feelings are understandable, and he's far from the first player to express those sentiments after being traded unexpectedly. At some point, the healthy thing to do when any personal or professional relationship breaks down is to move on and let it go, but that's not to say that reconciliation is always feasible, or for that matter, desirable. Thomas will have to figure that out himself, and in the meantime, he probably will feel a little bitter; again, understandably so. For his part, Ainge has to do what he has to do in terms of making tough decisions in building the roster, so I imagine from his point of view, it's a case of "so be it".
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby Sauru on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:05 pm

IT is over valuing himself as a franchise player and feels he deserves to be treated like one. he has every right to be mad but the idea that a busted up 5'9 pg is untouchable is obscured
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby benji on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:40 pm

Andrew wrote:IT's comments led to some interesting debate on ESPN. Paul Pierce, who of course was traded by the Celtics after fifteen seasons, basically found a diplomatic way of saying Thomas is entitled to that point of view, but should also suck it up. Chauncey Billups, who's been traded a lot more in his career (including by the Celtics halfway through his rookie season), had a rather terse reply, and referred to Pierce asking out of Boston. Pierce responded that he didn't want to be traded but knew he would be, and therefore gave preferences as to the destination. The whole conversation was a bit testy.

Pierce is having some favorable career recollections on what otherwise has probably been ESPN's best formation of a studio team since they got the NBA rights. Even if Billups and Jalen are carrying the load.

Worse was saying he'd always have taken Drummond over Anthony Davis. When I'm not sure that's even a defensible position now let alone in 2012.

But he wanted to be traded before the deal to the Nets, before they got Ray Allen, Pierce wanted out of Boston and said so often. He didn't want to wait on Al Jefferson, Rondo, etc.

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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby Andrew on Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:15 pm

I vaguely remember that; I guess he's glossing over it now. It's also possible by 2014, he did indeed want to retire a Celtic, and is being honest about giving his preferences despite not wanting to leave by that point.
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby air gordon on Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:46 pm

can't get on board with Jalen. kudos to his enthusiasm

poor IT. the guy just wants to get paid.
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Re: Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him

Postby NovU on Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:28 am

IT nearing 30, I doubt anyone will pay him anything near MAX. Too bad because he always showed big signs/potential, just never given proper chance to prove what he can do at early stage in his career. Finally the Celtics presented him the perfect opportunity, he does an amazing job, then dump him to wasteland called Cleveland. "Hurt", I am not too surprised IT feels that way. It's not just the Celtics. But this guy's been treated as shit by all teams he's been on. Perhaps more hurt with the Celtics because of success there.
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