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All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:15 pm

So, thoughts on this year's All-Star Weekend so far?

I'm quite underwhelmed to be honest. There was a bit of excitement with the overtime round in the Three-Point Shootout, but the Slam Dunk Contest definitely didn't live up to last year. That was going to be a tall order as last year did immediately become one of the most exciting contests in the history of the event, but this year didn't even come close. Most of the attempts were variations on the same idea, Gordon's drone was another corny gimmick (and rather shameless product placement), which wasn't helped by the multiple attempts. The final round was anti-climactic, with the only really noteworthy dunks coming in the first round.

If the All-Star game tomorrow turns into another impromptu three-point contest, I'll probably end up switching it off by the second quarter.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby big-shot-ROB on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:20 pm

Totally agree with you. It is true we didn't start with the right foot given the quality of last year's contests. The 3pt contest was raw, but the dunk contest was not better than underwhelming. The fact that I had to stay awake until 4:30 am might have conditioned me, but I really felt the contest had no climax. Too many missed dunks, no one was selling them, crowd was kind of bored.

I feel like the modern day era is wasting their possibilites. Why anyone uses the light effects anymore? Just go back to J-Rich 2005-2006 contests. Also, the players courtside seem to care less. They never get up, and they prefer to record the dunk with their mobiles rather than watching it and reacting to it. I guess I felt really in love with the 00' gangsta style, with the baggy pants, the hats, the shinny in-game jerseys and that old look 2000-2009 dunk contests have.

Quite disappointed.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby I Hate Mondays on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:40 pm

Very disappointed in the dunk contest. I had to stay up between 4:30 and 5 something am to catch the dunk contest live and it was a bummer. DJ showed up like he was made by a kid relative to show up. Aaron Gordon was so determined to win but those first bad drone dunks got under his skin and he never got it going. Even though the last two guys "saved" the contest so to speak, their dunks were very repetitive. Maybe I wasn't paying too much attention and I was tired, but it looked like they did the same "jump over people" dunk, eventually adding/taking away a person?
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:17 am

I Hate Mondays wrote:Maybe I wasn't paying too much attention and I was tired, but it looked like they did the same "jump over people" dunk, eventually adding/taking away a person?


I'd say you're absolutely right there. It was afternoon here in Australia when I was watching the contest, and my fresher eyes saw the exact same thing. It's already been done a lot in the contest to begin with, but then they kept doing the same thing.

To Gordon's credit, the dunk he was trying to do off the bounce from the drone was creative and spectacular in its own right, but not entirely original, and the drone felt like a corny gimmick to me. It was a letdown after he and LaVine were doing great stuff mostly just doing tricks with the ball last year.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Sauru on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:39 am

this dunk contest was total shit. mind numbing how boring it was. miss, miss, miss, miss, miss still get a 38. how the fuck can you get anything but a 0 if you dont actually complete a dunk? winner did the same dunk just jumping over different shit each time. the props are only ok if they make it the first time. once the wow factor is gone the dunk loses a lot. watching it 3 times gets boring. one thing i do agree with shaq on, if you need 3 times to do the dunk i am not scoring it a 10. i wish they would do the 3 on 3 again at the all star game. i enjoyed watching that. as it is now i only care about the use/world game and 3 point contest. well as far as the lead up events go, i still enjoy the actual game
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:34 am

Agreed. That said, I don't mind the idea of a maximum score of 25 on failed attempts, so that players can get some points for the idea and near-execution, but there's no way that judges should be able to award more than five in that scenario. Jumping over obstacles has become the new between-the-legs and free throw line dunk. Unless you can put a new twist on it, it's overdone, and it certainly shouldn't be the basis of all your attempts.

In all fairness, like I said, there are going to be years where the dunk contest isn't better than the last. It's like the Playoffs, the Finals, whatever: some years are going to better than others, and that's just the way it is. Unfortunately, this year was pretty bland to put it very nicely, and it didn't help that we came off one of the all-time great contests last year. Oh well.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Sauru on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:44 am

i know its not a popular opinion but i would rather see them set the dunk to be attempted and the player who did it the best gets the best score. the dunks are getting lost to the creative aspect of the event.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:49 am

Wouldn't that stifle creativity even more, though? The Wheel in 2002 kind of sucked.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:57 am

Set dunks are kind of the opposite of creativity. We just need people to start doing something different. Last year was something different and it's the best dunk contest of all time (this isn't an argument someone went between the leg from the free throw line and another guy sat on someone's head).

It's more the dunkers at fault. If players spent as much time practicing 720's or between the legs twice as they do jumping over people we would have already seen some great dunks.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Sauru on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:14 pm

the problem is there is no creativity. its just "watch me jump over this" and "lets use this product so i can cash in on an advertisement deal". the dunk contest is total shit. also there is the lack of star power but i think its a pretty safe bet to assume we wont see any big names clash in the dunk contest again. its a no win situation for these guys
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:27 pm

Not really true. Zach Lavine established himself through the contest. He did it by doing things we haven't seen. You can't bring out creativity by getting rid of creative freedom.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:22 pm

All-Star game has had a few fun moments so far - Durant lobbing to Westbrook for the dunk was unexpected, though I was kind of hoping they'd freeze each other out all game - but there's also been threes. Lots and lots of threes. Sequences where one player runs up, misses a three, rebound, another player runs up, misses a three, rebound, and so on and so forth for six or seven plays in a row. I'm thinking they just need to cancel the game, and expand the Three-Point Shootout to 32 players or something. And like I've said before, the game has always had a pickup atmosphere with more casual defense, but the last few years, it's been absolutely non-existent. The scoring records that they're setting these days ring a little hollow when both teams are going out there and actively letting each other put up points.

Yeah, I know, I know. That's what the game is now, and it is what it is. But for me, it's disappointing. This isn't a bitter "the 90s were all that" nostalgic rose-coloured rant, either. I was still really enjoying the game up until 2012, 2013. The last few years, though? For me, it's gone right down the toilet. Guess it's just something I'll have to accept, and either see if I can enjoy it for what it is, or just give it a miss in the future. It's a shame though, because I used to love the All-Star Weekend.

Sauru wrote:the problem is there is no creativity. its just "watch me jump over this" and "lets use this product so i can cash in on an advertisement deal". the dunk contest is total shit. also there is the lack of star power but i think its a pretty safe bet to assume we wont see any big names clash in the dunk contest again. its a no win situation for these guys


But again, we had a really great contest last year. A couple of others in recent years have been fun as well. This one was just a big disappointment, no need to blow it up or make drastic changes just because this year's field was subpar.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:29 pm

Curry chucks up a three from halfcourt with plenty of time remaining, because why not.

The All-Star Game used to be an incredible showcase of NBA basketball. Now it's two basketball gamers playing on Rookie, chucking threes. Ah well. Enough grumpy old 32 year old whinging. Guess it's my cue to go do something else. :lol:
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Leander on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:08 pm

Good thing: buying the game with Paypal worked (last year it didn't...only credit card). Bad thing: it's boring. The all star games in the 90s were fun with Ewing, Olajuwon, David Robinson. What is better than a star, a good player, another good player and two average players going up against a star, a good player, a very good player and two average players (= some random NBA game)? Right, 5 stars vs. 5 stars...with skill vs. skill, experience vs. experience...offense vs. defense. Top defenders vs. top scorers...but the last years have been horrible. I call it sell out. The commentators just said they like it...they want to see 200 points a team. Why? It is not about who is on the court but the skills he shows. If it is just dunk after dunk with no D at all why not watch some random dunkers play? Or college players? Where's the excitement and fun? Everybody has seen enough dunks all season long...why not watch the best of the best COMPETE? See who's better? Fight and try hard to win??? Normally, players should show why they are all stars...show their skills, their dedication. It does not even matter who has the best ball handling, who backs down like a tank, who is the best defender, who runs pick and rolls well...it's just a "hey, watch me dribble, I pass you the ball, then you throw me a pass and duuunk"....

The game does not make sense at all. It is a disgrace to basketball and competition in general. Last all star game I've cared for. (N)
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:15 pm

You all take this game way too serious. It's a showcase not a competition. Stop trying to make it game 7 and enjoy it.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Sauru on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:51 pm

this game was a joke. i get it needs to be laid back but playing no defense at all ruins this game. why even have refs out there? davis not even crossing half court so he can make sure he got 50. terrible all-star weekend
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:55 pm

zzcoolj21 wrote:You all take this game way too serious. It's a showcase not a competition. Stop trying to make it game 7 and enjoy it.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Sauru on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:00 pm

thats the problem. there is nothing to enjoy about them turning the all star gaming into a hybrid 3 point/slam dunk contest
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:02 pm

Given the 3pt contest and slam dunk contest are their biggest events, there is a lot to enjoy.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:04 pm

Sauru wrote:this game was a joke. i get it needs to be laid back but playing no defense at all ruins this game. why even have refs out there? davis not even crossing half court so he can make sure he got 50. terrible all-star weekend


Couldn't agree more. I think it'll be the last one I watch live.

zzcoolj21 wrote:You all take this game way too serious. It's a showcase not a competition. Stop trying to make it game 7 and enjoy it.


Yes, the All-Star Game has always been a showcase, where players are looking to strut their stuff and get fancy, and defense is a little more lax. That's great! Like I've said before, I've always enjoyed that aspect of it. But what we've been seeing the past few years hasn't resembled anything close to competitive basketball, or even entertaining basketball. Watching DeMarcus Cousins run up the floor and fire up 35 foot three-pointers on three consecutive plays is not a showcase of basketball. It's ugly, and a farce. The game turning into an impromptu three-point contest and a concerted effort for both teams to score 200 points is dull. Again, it's like watching a couple of people playing a basketball video game on Rookie, and chucking up threes with everyone because they don't really know anything about the sport.

No one is saying it should be like Game 7 of the NBA Finals. To suggest that the All-Star Game can only be played this way, or like a Game 7, is fallacious and a false dichotomy. Some of us would simply like to see a bit more defense, and a showcase of great basketball talent, rather than this current approach of standing around while everyone tries to pot as many threes as possible, or not even bothering with matador defense. The style of the All-Star Game has really changed drastically these past few years, and in my opinion, not for the better. There's a lot of sloppiness compared to the games of the past; it's no longer a good showcase of basketball. When players can easily waltz into the lane for a big dunk play after play, it becomes less special. When it's the tenth play in a row that a player has run up and taken a three from 30 feet out, it's rather dull and repetitive.

I do like to see spectacular dunks, crazy lobs, big threes, and sweet crossovers. I'm sure a lot of other people do, too. But the way the All-Star game is being played these days, they're actually finding a way to make all those cool highlights dull! With nothing being taken seriously, with absolutely no defense being played, those highlights come much easier, and they feel much less special as a result. When Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter suddenly broke out those lobs off the backboard all those years ago, it brought us out of our seats because it was so unexpected. Now, everyone stands back so that they can try it. That feels a little cheap, and manufactured. Same goes for the scoring records. They meant more when the games were more competitive.

But, that's the way it is. The highlights are still there, so for everyone who does still enjoy it, that's cool. By all means enjoy it and have fun, because that's a big part of what this exhibition is about. But it used to be different, and I and other fans miss it, and don't care for what the game has evolved into. Both sides are entitled to their point of view, though for those of us who are disappointed, I guess we basically have to accept it and find a way to enjoy it, or like I said, give the All-Star a miss from now on.

It's a shame, because I've always been a fan of the All-Star Weekend, and the All-Star Game. I've defended fan voting, and disagreed with assertions that the All-Star game is pointless or has no prestige. Now, I find myself beginning to agree with those opinions, and that's a shame. It's like when your favourite TV show jumps the shark, your favourite band hasn't released a good album in years, or something else you enjoy has lost its shine. I'm not saying other people can't or shouldn't enjoy what the All-Star Game has become, but personally, I find it difficult. It's a far cry from the event that wowed me all those years ago, and entertained me year after year, right up until a few seasons ago.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:12 pm

Sauru wrote:thats the problem. there is nothing to enjoy about them turning the all star gaming into a hybrid 3 point/slam dunk contest


Yep. When everything tries to be a highlight play, and there's absolutely no effort to try and stop it, what should be spectacular actually loses its shine. When the approach is to play as little defense as possible and let everyone score as much as possible, broken records don't feel as special.

It's like the money ball rack in the Three-Point Shootout. Over a couple of decades went by and no one had broken Craig Hodges' record, so they upped the amount of points that could be scored and lo and behold, the record is broken. It feels kind of cheap.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:13 pm

I guess I cant force you to like anything you don't, but saying this wasn't enjoyable to watch is astonishing to me. I would much rather watch this than a regular season game ending 81-88. How about we let the players show off their athletic talent and shooting abilities. You don't make TV revenue (especially in China, a large market they are tapping into) on solid shot contests.

Let the players do what they want to do instead of doing something they have to do every single day through the regular season. Defense is taxing. There's a reason James Harden doesn't play any (besides the fact he can't).
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:29 pm

When people say they enjoy the current style, that's kind of astonishing to people like Sauru and myself. ;)

Again, let's not get into a false dichotomy of it having to be the current style, or Game 7 lockdown defense (or even what we'd expect in a regular season game). The game used to have a bit more resistance, and a lot of the time, it just seems like really sloppy basketball now. The highlights are still fun - even if some of them feel like they come way too easily and are manufactured - but there's parts of the current approach that are definitely not entertaining to watch. Watching Cousins brick long three after long three isn't my idea of an entertaining basketball exhibition. Even when the better shooters stand around and try to pot threes...isn't that what the Shootout is for?

Personally, I'd prefer defense and competitiveness to be turned up a couple of notches (so to speak), with a bit more passing and snazzy plays, more like it was up until a few years ago. It doesn't look like that's going to happen, so like I said, I'm going to have to either find a way to enjoy it for what it is, or give it a miss in the future. Ultimately my call and my problem there, though I'm not alone in the point of view. I do maintain that as long as that's the approach however, the scoring records feel a bit cheap.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Sauru on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:35 pm

there is nothing fun about 2 teams letting each other score so they might hit 200. it was a glorified shoot around. i want to watch a basketball game. an 88-81 game is far better than the shit show that was just on tv.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:46 pm

I can only speak for myself, but I prefer the style that's somewhere between glorified shootaround and up-tempo regular season game. That's how I'd describe the game in years past, and that was fun for me.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:48 pm

You guys can spend time not enjoying things, but enjoying something is a lot more fun.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:00 pm

zzcoolj21 wrote:You guys can spend time not enjoying things, but enjoying something is a lot more fun.


Wow, man. Your original post was pretty damn condescending, but...wow.

The reason we're disappointed is because we want to enjoy the All-Star Game, but for the reasons we've discussed, we didn't.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Sauru on Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:11 pm

zzcoolj21 wrote:You guys can spend time not enjoying things, but enjoying something is a lot more fun.


maybe you have not followed the conversation? i have mentioned i would enjoy some defense so i enjoy most games all season long. i used to enjoy the all star game also when the players actually gave a damn. after all your posts i am starting to think you are just a kid and because of that we will probably not agree on most things
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

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If enjoying plays like this makes my comments condescending, I am perfectly fine with it. Enjoy these moments. We are in an era of these great athletes and this is their stage.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:55 pm

Of course enjoying those plays doesn't make your comments condescending, nor does expressing that view. On the other hand, essentially telling us that we should just shut up and enjoy them, and that our preferences are wrong and that we're stuffily trying not to enjoy anything...well, there's certainly some condescension in doing that.

Like I said, for you and anyone else who does enjoy the current style of All-Star Games, by all means enjoy it. I wouldn't condescend to insist that you don't, and I do understand your reasons for enjoying it. I honestly wish that I could enjoy it, because of how much I've loved All-Star Weekend in the past, and would like to be entertained by it in the future. However, there have been certain changes to the game, and personally, I'm not a fan of them. As such, I don't find myself enjoying the game as I did up until quite recently. It's disappointing and I wish it were otherwise, but ultimately it's OK that I feel that way. It's also OK that you don't share my opinion. It's something we'll ultimately have to agree to disagree upon. Sauru and I may be disappointed, but you and others certainly don't have to be if that's not how you feel. We're expressing our reactions and explaining why we feel that way, not telling people what they must think.

If people like Sauru and myself take the All-Star Game too seriously, it's because the league and the players used to take it more seriously, and that's what we've come to expect. It's the meaning it's always had for us, because that's how it was presented to us. Maybe that makes us out of touch dinosaurs, but that's the way it is. Once again, I draw comparisons to feeling that your favourite TV show has jumped the shark, or that the last few albums by your favourite band have been kind of lame compared to their first few. Just because you're a passionate fan doesn't mean you must enjoy everything without question or critical thought; when there's been some sort of noteworthy change, it may no longer have the same appeal, and you may find it difficult to get on board. That's OK...and again, it's OK if others don't feel the same way you do, and they still enjoy it just as much, or even more.

The thing is, if you do reach a point where something you used to enjoy isn't as enjoyable anymore, you have to decide whether you're going to try and accept it for what it's become and still try to find enjoyment in it, or just not partake of it anymore. After a few years of feeling this way about the All-Star game, I think I'm definitely at that crossroads now. Because I have been such a fan of the event, that does bum me out a little, but it's what I'll need to decide moving forward.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:45 pm

I apologize if it came of that way but that wasn't the intent. Ill try to word it better.

I realize it hasn't exactly been a defensive master class. It hasn't been very intense. It's probably not the easiest to sit through as its a longer version of all star weekend events. But calling it "shit" is a little bit disrespectful to these athletes who are doing these incredible things they wouldn't think of doing in a regular game. Watching Cavs games seeing LeBron yell at everyone and not really enjoy the moment isn't fun at all. In fact, I resent watching my favorite teams games because it looks like no one is enjoying getting paid millions of dollars to play a children's game.

Then the all-star game happens. Everyone's laughing, everyone's taking these crazy shots and throwing these crazy lobs. They actually seem like they realize it's all a game. It means nothing at the end of the day.

It's a nice break from the gloom and doom of the regular season and the extreme intensity of the playoffs. That's why I like it how its played currently.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:05 pm

I hear you, and totally understand how that's enjoyable. I don't entirely disagree, because that's long been a part of the All-Star Game, and it certainly made it fun. For me, it's just drifted a little too far from being competitive. Like I said, it used to be taken and treated more seriously. I found I enjoyed the highlights a little more when the defense was putting up a bit more of a fight; not Playoff levels or anything, just a few notches above matador.

It also seemed like they played more like a team of stars, where it's now a bunch of stars out there doing their individual thing, especially the quick trigger threes. Previous games used to show off some great basketball that was still very fancy, but did have some fun, lighthearted moments every now and again.

Anyway, things change, some people will like it, others won't. It may be that I'm better off checking out the highlight reels afterwards, rather than watching the game unfold in full. It's just disappointing that something I used to really enjoy doesn't resonate with me the way that it used to, but that's the way it goes sometimes. I do stand by the assertion that the scoring records aren't quite as impressive now that defense is really an afterthought, but I guess legacies are made in June, not February.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby debiler on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:57 pm

Andrew and Sauru, you are not alone. I guess it's really got something to do with the NBA we grew up with and that we learned to love and idolize. I think if back then somebody would have eased up on defense too much or even took a really dumb three-pointer, Jordan, Bird or Isiah would have eaten that guy alive. They still had fun, though. I remember Michael and Magic joking and talking all the time, but when the game was on, they competed. And they didn't try to force a highlight out of every single play. Really, what's more exciting? When somebody makes a highly contested, artistic layup with two bodies on him or when a guy throws down with nobody near him for the 10th time in a row? In 2001, we had one of the greatest allstar game finishes of all time, with an unbelievable comeback led by Iverson and Marbury. That's when it turned into a contest, because those guys were trying to win. In 2002, T-Mac pulled off the amazing off the backboard self-alley-oop (in traffic, by the way) and everybody was stunned. In 2003, nobody could remain in their seat when MJ hit the heavily contested go-ahead over one of the greatest defenders of that time, Shawn Marion.

We don't get stuff like that anymore, nothing is as memorable, because it doesn't matter. Because anybody is allowed to score whenever the hell they want. I can't understand the players. Is this what they want? It seems totally disrespectful to the game and to the fans. And to the legends who made the game popular all over the world.

Here are some 'stats':
There were 8 (!!!) free-throw attempts in a game that approached 400 total points scored.
There were two (!!!) blocks total.
And it had 122 (!!!!!!!!!!) three-point attempts.

I'm sorry, but that's not basketball anymore. If I wanna watch a shootaround, I'll go and watch a shootaround.

One more thing: If I had actually watched the game (and not just the 'highlights' which actually almost put me to sleep), I'd be royally pissed. Paying good money and staying up until 4.30 am for a farce like this is just unacceptable.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't or are wrong to enjoy it, because there seem to be some who do. But I can't find one single reason why.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby big-shot-ROB on Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:31 pm

Another waste of a "stay awake until 4.30 am" night.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby mp3 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:12 pm

Defence........... Defence........ Defence...........

I know the game doesn't mean anything but why for the love of god just play a little so we can Finally see who the better team is each year.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby I Hate Mondays on Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:58 am

My respects for the Greak Freak. He was the only one playing like this game is supposed to be played. Hustle and D all the way, while still making amazing offensive plays. That's what I want to see in an allstar game, the perfect combination of both.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Leander on Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:07 am

zzcoolj21 wrote:You all take this game way too serious. It's a showcase not a competition. Stop trying to make it game 7 and enjoy it.


A showcase of what? An all star event should represent a sport and show the best and most competitive players...and what's possible. Just imagine musicians of Queen, AC/DC, Rolling Stones...what would you love? A 2 hours concert with great songs...but not "let's watch them tune their instruments or every one plays a solo for 10 seconds, then stops and then they just chat and laugh".

Anthony Davis with 50 points, great. 39 shot attempts? Greeeeeat. All records of the past completely useless. No skill involved. Just let the home court player dunk all the time and nobody defends and there's your MVP.

Just have a soccer all stars match and the goalkeepers just relax on the sideline...then just shoot the ball from 50 meters and celebrate and the rest of the players just sits down and talks and laughs.

In the 90s basketball was not that popular in Europe...at least in some countries. The all star event was used to represent basketball and get new fans..."hey, let's watch the game" and people with no knowledge of basketball joined and started to like it...with the best of the best competing... but now the game is a joke and does not represent it the sport anymore.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby mp3 on Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:30 am

Totally agree.

The allstar games I watched in the 90's were far more competitive and I haven't really enjoyed watching one since A.I and Marbury lead the comeback victory.

I know Curry was mocking the "iam not getting dunked on again" but that to me pretty much sums up the allstar D
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby air gordon on Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:49 am

Sadly this is the best of the all star games of the big professional sports... at least in America

This all star game has turned into a corporate event since how long ago

So... how to fix the event then??? The NBA season is already too long. How can you get the players to give more effort?? Go the baseball route and give home court advantage for the NBA finals to the winner? Pay more $ to the players? Change the date of the game??

Shorten the game? Pay $ to the team with the higher score at the end of each quarter!?
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:22 am

Steve Kerr suggested donations to the charities of the individual players' choices, should they win. Financial incentive - either for the players or directly to a nominated charity - seems like the most logical option.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby air gordon on Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:50 pm

perhaps logical but i don't think that this is going to make the players give more effort.

and with so much money invested in the star players, i can't see the owners or the player union reforming the all start game to make them play hard.

guess we're just stuck with voicing our displeasure through social media and message boards
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Sauru on Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:46 pm

its just the player mentality we have in todays game. pride was enough in the 90's.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Lean on Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:12 pm

Last All-Star Game that I thought was competitive enough is the one in 2003, Jordan's last All-Star Game. I didn't bother watching the game, and just watched some of the highlights. Giannis seem to take the game seriously, and from what I heard, Kawhi as well. Curry going face down the court as Giannis goes for another dunk on him was too much for me. I know it's now an exhibition, but COME ON, make it feel like there's at least a hint of defense in there. Wasn't a fan of the final score either. As Andrew said, all the current All-Star Game records being broken is cheapened by the fact they just jack up threes and not play defense.

As for the Saturday Night events, man that was awful. The dunk contest was a snoozefest, and the crowd wasn't into it (and understandably so).
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:28 pm

Scott Van Pelt's take was awesome, and very well put.

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I know it's breaking it out twice in one week, but I have to do it. His summation was brilliant.

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Stephen A. Smith's take was actually pretty good too, and he echoed the charity suggestion.

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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Sauru on Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:20 pm

Lean wrote:Last All-Star Game that I thought was competitive enough is the one in 2003, Jordan's last All-Star Game. I didn't bother watching the game, and just watched some of the highlights. Giannis seem to take the game seriously, and from what I heard, Kawhi as well. Curry going face down the court as Giannis goes for another dunk on him was too much for me. I know it's now an exhibition, but COME ON, make it feel like there's at least a hint of defense in there. Wasn't a fan of the final score either. As Andrew said, all the current All-Star Game records being broken is cheapened by the fact they just jack up threes and not play defense.

As for the Saturday Night events, man that was awful. The dunk contest was a snoozefest, and the crowd wasn't into it (and understandably so).



you know the curry laying down thing i could have over looked if people played defense the rest of the game. i would have just laughed it off. however he played better D laying down than most people did all night standing up


honestly this all star weekend the celebrity game was the best part of it for me.................
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Dommy73 on Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:41 pm

Yup, pretty much no defence at all. Antetokounmpo was actually the bright exception there.

Some of the plays, yeah why not, they were nice and/or funny and if they happened once or twice in the game... Like I said, why not. Like the LeBron shot from the logo - I thought it was nice, just something you actually don't see him do ever. Steph going down on the floor would be very funny moment if the players were actually playing defence in that game. To be fair to him, he had no business trying to stop him, because I'm pretty sure that Antetokounmpo would simply dunk over him, probably jumping over him completely.

But remember when LeBron actually tried to chase down Kobe? Now tell me that wasn't fun to watch - Kobe actually dunked even through block attempt from behind, but if LeBron managed to actually block the shot it would be at least as good.

BTW, both team had 1 block. There was a lot of steals, but that was pretty expected due to attempts for flashy passes etc.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:50 pm

It goes back to what I said before. If everyone's standing back and letting highlights be manufactured, they feel less special and exciting. If no one's taking it seriously, the lighthearted moments don't really stand out as amusing, like they might normally do.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby mp3 on Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:12 pm

The allstar itself just looked like a bad game of 2k where both players are smashing the ally oop button.
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby air gordon on Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:24 am

Have any of those editorial types been said to any of the all Star players in an interview?

Id like to see that interview
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Re: All-Star Weekend 2017

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:05 am

I wish there was a way to put incentive on the all star game. Something that makes it important, something that makes the players compete. I don't even watch it anymore.

In regards to the dunk contest, I cringed through the whole thing. Nobody just does amazing dunks anymore, they use drones, mascots, cheerleaders, cupcake (G. Green), car (Blake Griffin), etc. It's a joke. Last year with Gordon and Lavine, there were some awesome dunks that didn't involve all that crap (and two of the dunks using the mascot were clean and still very good). They also made dunks on the first attempt. This one, two, three attempts before a dunk is made (and sometimes when it's made it BARELY rattles in) is horrible and not impressive.

We had some stupid stuff in the dunk contest YEARS back as well, like the blind fold dunk by Cedric Ceballos in 1992. I remember watching this, and even at my young age I thought it was really dumb.

I just want all star weekend to be entertaining. This year was horrible.

Also, somebody please give me a +1 for bringing back the Ceballos blindfold dunk. JK.

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