2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Like real basketball, as well as basketball video games? Talk about the NBA, NCAA, and other professional and amateur basketball leagues here.

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:31 pm

The ASG is gonna be a total wreck once Zaza gets in. Damn the NBA should return to the time it only had a list on who's allowed to be voted in.
benji wrote:LeBron is such a choker. And people were talking about him as an all-time great. As having possibly surpassed Kobe. What a joke.

velvet bliss wrote:Andrew, you the real MVP.

Andrew wrote:He who flops and flails to the Finals and a title, flops and flails best.
User avatar
Stress Fracture
In James I Trust
 
Posts: 2845
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:03 pm
Location: Yao's ankles, feet

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:07 am

Relevance and interest is subjective though.

Maybe free agency affected this generations long standing rivalries.

IIRC the west was 3 team top heavy during the Bulls run... Similar to how it is now

Obviously the Bulls vs Knicks were awesome back then. The kings vs Lakers vs spurs vs suns vs mavs in the early 2000's were awesome also.
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:09 am

air gordon wrote:Relevance and interest is subjective though.

Maybe free agency affected this generations long standing rivalries.

IIRC the west was 3 team top heavy during the Bulls run... Similar to how it is now

Obviously the Bulls vs Knicks were awesome back then. The kings vs Lakers vs spurs vs suns vs mavs in the early 2000's were awesome also.


Its not just about top heavy or not. It's about the flow of the game, the way the game was played, the players in those games and how offense and defense flowed. It was the caliber of the big men, the fundamentals.
User avatar
Dee4Three
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:34 pm
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:01 am

I can get on board with the big man comments

There were periods though in the 90's where the NBA stepped in to promote the free flow you speak of. Stern pretty much turned the NBA's back on the Detroit bad boys style of play. Riley's Knicks were slugfests, fratellos cavs specialized in slowing the game down, and the NBA instituted the 5 second back down rule when Jordan retired
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:09 am

air gordon wrote:I can get on board with the big man comments

There were periods though in the 90's where the NBA stepped in to promote the free flow you speak of. Stern pretty much turned the NBA's back on the Detroit bad boys style of play. Riley's Knicks were slugfests, fratellos cavs specialized in slowing the game down, and the NBA instituted the 5 second back down rule when Jordan retired


I feel like the points you make are part of the reason it was so amazing. You would watch a game, and the teams had defined styles, defined grit, defined confidence etc. The Bad Boys did well in there own right winning back to back championships, and even instituted the Jordan rules which worked in its own right. The Knicks were so tough, anybody going down the Lane on Mason/Oakley/Ewing knew they were gonna get hit, or just shut down. The Pacers were finness (Also tough with Dale and Antonio Davis), you know you couldn't let them shoot, and you knew you couldn't let them fast break. Just in general, it was a much more enjoyable time to watch basketball in my opinion.

Teams had in and out offenses that were just devastating, like Olajuwon having to be doubled almost every play, and him kicking it out to shooters like Horry/Smith/Maxwell and later Drexler and also finding Drexler cutting. Robinson kicking out to Sean Elliot or Del Negro (later Person), Ewing kicking out to Starks/Greg Anthony/Derek Harper, Malone kicking out to Stockton/Hornacek/Russell, Barkley kicking it out to KJ, Majerle, Dumas/Ceballos, Shaq kicking it out to Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, and later to Kobe, Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Mourning/LJ kicking it out to Kendall Gill, Dell Curry, Kemp kicking it out to Hersey Hawkins, Schrempf, etc etc etc. The game just flowed so much better, it was far more interesting watching off the ball, and just overall watching teams strategize against eachother.
User avatar
Dee4Three
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:34 pm
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:47 am

Posting up, wait for the double team to come, then kick out for 3... Is that really a nice game flow??

The year pippen, Charles, and dream were on the same team that's what happened and that was a bust and boring basketball to watch lol

The Sacto kings offense where the big men played pg had the best "game flow" IMO.

The D'antoni/Nash-led Phoenix Suns offense was impressive also

It's nice there are videos/podcasts available now of game strategies being illustrated/broken down. You get a better appreciation of the coaching involved and how some players are just terrible at certain skills

There sure was a lot of strategizing in the OKC vs spurs and Gsw vs cavs series last year. Who woulvehave known both pop and keep would be out coached
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:02 am

The 98-99 Rockets were not a bust, they were NOT supposed to do that much, Hakeem and Barkley were far passed primes (35 and 36 years old), and Pippen was 33. The double teams were not coming often at all at that time, trust me. They did have Michael Dickerson (exciting slasher) and Cuttino Mobley. Also, you pointed out one team in the 50 game lockout season... They also finished 31-19, which is better than I even thought they would finish. And I didn't say that's what happened all the time, clearly it did not. I was saying that it happened and it was awesome, the amount of post players, the amount of players with all around games, far surpasses todays NBA in my opinion. That was just an example of one element, I never said all the time.

Also you picked one team in 98-99 that was aging, and said that was boring to watch. First off, they were not boring to watch if you really know basketball and appreciate it. Just like the many that say Tim Duncan is "Boring" to watch, or has a "Boring" game. Duncan just played the game the right way. For those of you who were not around to follow the NBA close in the 90's, and appreciate those games live, and really only know youtube highlights and really only followed todays game, you won't possibly be able to grasp how great the league actually was. I have been fortunate enough to watch the NBA all through the 90's, 2000's and now. And right now, is the weakest the league has been in my opinion. I am not saying it's all bad, I am saying it's the weakest its been.

And yes, that Nash team was fun to watch. I never said that it wasn't enjoyable to watch basketball. I also never said the mid-early 2000's weren't solid. I really enjoyed watching basketball during those times.
Last edited by Dee4Three on Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:22 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Dee4Three
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:34 pm
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby [Q] on Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:14 am

Supposedly they've changed voting this year after zaza nearly got voted in this year to incorporate 25% of votes from players and media

I've felt they've always fudged the numbers to avoid embarrassing situations after they started accepting votes from Chinese fans so this is another way they can manipulate the vote with an excuse. Overall, I'm glad that they are starting to realize how fan voting isn't such a great idea
Image
User avatar
[Q]
NBA Live 15 Optimist
NLSC Team Member
 
Posts: 11324
Joined: Tue Oct 01, 2002 9:20 am
Location: CA all day

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:19 am

Also to point out, Phil Jackson took A LOT of heat last year for comparing Steph Curry to Abdul-Rauf. He was very accurate, and I remember being puzzled by how good Rauf was in the 90's. Look at his release, and how he gets his shots, and how fast he gets his shot off. Curry is a two time MVP with that style in the league now, Abdul-Rauf was a GOOD player with that style in the 90's. Watch the whole video.


phpBB [video]
User avatar
Dee4Three
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:34 pm
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:20 am

[Q] wrote:Supposedly they've changed voting this year after zaza nearly got voted in this year to incorporate 25% of votes from players and media

I've felt they've always fudged the numbers to avoid embarrassing situations after they started accepting votes from Chinese fans so this is another way they can manipulate the vote with an excuse. Overall, I'm glad that they are starting to realize how fan voting isn't such a great idea


Yeah I agree, 100%. The fact that they are doing something about it is nice. Zaza starting in the all-star game would seriously bug me to no end.
User avatar
Dee4Three
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:34 pm
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:20 am

i never said all the time.

You pretty much did
like Olajuwon having to be doubled almost every play

The Rockets were a bust. They gave Pip that huge contract and had high expectations heading into the season. Barkley was one of the big reasons the 5 second rule was instituted. Pippen even complained/hated the offense because he was being forced to be a spot up shooter with Barkley and the dream hogging the touches. A hall of famer, named In the 50 greatest players, played with Jordan... Calling the iso post offense crappy. Just saying haha

I've been following the NBA since the 90's also. What gives lol . This isn't a pissinG contest

I didn't say anything about TD ;)
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:24 am

air gordon wrote:
i never said all the time.

You pretty much did
like Olajuwon having to be doubled almost every play

The Rockets were a bust. They gave Pip that huge contract and had high expectations heading into the season. Barkley was one of the big reasons the 5 second rule was instituted. Pippen even complained/hated the offense because he was being forced to be a spot up shooter with Barkley and the dream hogging the touches. A hall of famer, named In the 50 greatest players, played with Jordan... Calling the iso post offense crappy. Just saying haha

I've been following the NBA since the 90's also. What gives lol . This isn't a pissinG contest

I didn't say anything about TD ;)


I said that team wasn't a good comparison. And I stand by that, High Expectations for a 35 and 36 year old who had been battling injuries, and another player signed on the wrong side of 30, going 31-19, is NOT a bust. Plain and simple. You are using the 98-99 over the hill Rockets as a comparison to my statements? That is what makes no sense. Nevertheless, in the lockout season.

And I never said you mentioned Duncan, so I am not sure what you were saying there. I brought him up to make a point.

Either way, lets drop it. Because it's not going anywhere.

And by the way, I never said that Olajuwon got double teamed his entire career. So no, I didn't "pretty much" say that. Be mature. I mentioned that he got double teamed almost every play and had options to kick it out to Horry/Smith and later Drexler. I never once mentioned the 98-99 over the hill Rockets.
User avatar
Dee4Three
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:34 pm
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:45 am

So are you backing off your hyperbole comments? Potato potata.

So you had to watch games live in the 90's to enjoy and appreciate them? Were you watching Karl Malone and Stockton run pick and roll? Or Stockton running back picks for Malone?! Should I have had less fun watching the tape delay of the Bulls beating the blazers in the finals??

Was Kemp even a traditional back to the basket player?!

How much strategy was there in drawing up an iso play for Jordan?!
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:51 am

Are you kidding me? Your questions are ignorant in themselves.

You are upset that I commented that the NBA nowadays is weaker, in my opinion (it's also my opinion about why you are lashing out, that opinion is based on the way you are lashing out). We went back and forth, and you had nothing to back up your points. You have your opinion, I have mine, and those will not deviate.

For the record, not once did I back off from my comments. Me saying that the 98-99 Rockets were over the hill, but not a bust, and still exciting for me to watch, is in NO WAY backing off from my comments. You look silly for even saying that. Anybody reading our back and forth who can think with a clear mind will say that I did not back off from my comments once. I have a deep appreciation for the way basketball was played at that time, the way the players approached the game, the talent in the post and on the wings, the talent at every position, the makeup of the teams, the mental game. I stand 100% by my comments.

I thought I was getting into a nice discussion about the NBA back in that time, and the NBA now. But it turned into something ridiculous. I feel like I'm talking about basketball with a brat. I'm sorry, but it's true.
User avatar
Dee4Three
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:34 pm
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:06 am

I am not upset actually and not sure why you would think that. I think today's game has its positives as well as it's flaws. Just like the 90's.

My questions are valid. Don't dodge them. You have this point of having to watch the games live to understand how great the game was then. That's just ridiculous

Ill give you the Rockets thing but they got their asses handed to them by the lakers. And that's coming from a pippen fan. It's hyperbolic to say Hakeem got doubled almost every time he got it. You may as well say all the time. Seriously

Did you watch him vs Ewing live and in the finals?! Would you say he was doubled almost every time?!

What about the rest of my questions?! Was Kemp a back to the basket post scorer?!

Specifically what great in game strategies from the 90's are you referring to?
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:13 am

Air Gordon, it's over. It's not worth it. You have missed the entire point.
User avatar
Dee4Three
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:34 pm
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:28 am

How does LeBron James stack up against the great players from the 90's?!
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Book_Gazette on Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:46 am

Let us remind ourselves the game is different and the same from the 90's in certain ways

Let me talk about Korver to the Cavs, the Cavs have gotten even stronger with a 3 point master coming in. After looking at the Cavs beat the heavily stacked Warriors team, we can conclude they have a stronger defense and efficient shooting rhythm than they have. Having Korver at the 2 would be an easy punch for Kyrie and LeBron for a relief in case they can't get a shot from the inside. It will interesting to see them on the 16th vs the Dubs
Book_Gazette
 
Posts: 294
Joined: Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:43 am

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:42 pm

Memphis outscored Golden State 49-21 in the fourth quarter and overtime to rally for the win. Impressive.
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby I Hate Mondays on Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:38 am

Calm down, whoever is afraid of Zaza being a part of the Allstar roster. Basically, even if he remains the 2nd most voted forward from now on, he'd still have to be a top 10-15 in the eyes of the media or the players to make the cut. Not gonna happen, sorry people from Georgia. But I totally understand the feeling. If the same voting system would've counted a bunch of years ago when Gheorge Muresan was part of the NBA (if anyone remembers him), he would've been exactly in the same situation as Zaza now. Literally, every romanian with some internet access would've voted.
Last edited by I Hate Mondays on Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:40 am, edited 1 time in total.
Image
User avatar
I Hate Mondays
 
Posts: 2171
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:41 am
Location: Romania

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Lamrock on Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:34 am

Zaza probably won't make it to the all-star game now for the reason I Hate Mondays and probably others have said. It doesn't really matter if he does though - people think it's going to be so crazy having a role player play in the all-star game, but the novelty wears off after five seconds. Kyle Korver isn't much better than Zaza and he actually played pretty well when he made it in 2015.

I used to think that the media/coaches should decide the starters, but the all-star game doesn't really matter. If people want to see their favorites play, even if they weren't necessarily top 12 player in the conference for the first half of the season, that's fine. Not the end of the world if Wade gets in over Kemba Walker.

Now the All-NBA teams are different. First world problems of course, but having a bone to pick about James Harden not making any of the all-NBA teams is understandable.
Image
User avatar
Lamrock
 
Posts: 10409
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:02 pm
Location: Pacific Northwets

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby big-shot-ROB on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:46 pm

The Boston Celtics are, rigt now from my point of view, the 2nd best team in the east, but they need a side kick next to Isaiah. Someone who can create his own offense. They had all the game undercontrol with hustle plays and defense, but when DeMar heated up in the 4th, they had nobody else with Thomas bad shooting (2-7).
Surely that needed player could have been Avery Bradley, but we will never know until Raptors and Cs face each other again.

If they can pack up their rebounding issues and another iso-star in one player (ex: Cousins) they could take it to the next level. Brown (which will be good, but I don't think his potential is better than a more athletic Crowder) and Amir Johnson are two players that could go, but I am not sure if it will be positive if they have to give up either Bradley, Crowder or Smart.
Image
User avatar
big-shot-ROB
Robert Horry is better than MJ, because everybody knows that 7>6.
 
Posts: 981
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:59 pm
Location: Manresa, Catalonia, Europe

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:15 am

How is Al Horford doing with the Celtics? Haven't really heard or read something about him in Boston.
benji wrote:LeBron is such a choker. And people were talking about him as an all-time great. As having possibly surpassed Kobe. What a joke.

velvet bliss wrote:Andrew, you the real MVP.

Andrew wrote:He who flops and flails to the Finals and a title, flops and flails best.
User avatar
Stress Fracture
In James I Trust
 
Posts: 2845
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:03 pm
Location: Yao's ankles, feet

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Phil89 on Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:38 pm

Image

Image

He didn't shoot that well against Memphis, but he helped OKC get an important win.
My Stories
Live 10 - Thunder I, Thunder II
2k13 - Wizards / 2k15 - Sixers / 2k16 - Sixers 2k17 - Suns
User avatar
Phil89
 
Posts: 5173
Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:27 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby big-shot-ROB on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:37 am

Stress Fracture wrote:How is Al Horford doing with the Celtics? Haven't really heard or read something about him in Boston.


Let's say he is been okay. He is a great piece, no doubt, his mobilty along with his ability to knock down mid ranges and threes gives a lot of defenses problems. He can't play powerforward despite he wants to play at the 4, his mobility is no enough to pair with modernday PFs but he suffers with Cs in the lenght department. Olynik is a great player to pair with him, his really mobile and is a smart player on the boards.

Some people still keep saying the Garden need s a top-10 player. Seeing how Thomas has been playing lately I would say we need a sidekick, dude is straight fire, and he is 5'9.
Image
User avatar
big-shot-ROB
Robert Horry is better than MJ, because everybody knows that 7>6.
 
Posts: 981
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:59 pm
Location: Manresa, Catalonia, Europe

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:26 am

So is Horford the unique tweener big man?! He hasn't been traditionally a good rim protector or rebounder. Has the Celts defensive numbers gotten worse since his arrival?!
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Sauru on Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:09 am

zaza being number 2 for frost court votes is amazing. it proves how shitty the fan voting system has always been. i have always said, if they plan to continue using all star games as a measure of greatness than than need to remove the fans from the voting process all together. either change the name to something else or remove the fan vote
User avatar
Sauru
 
Posts: 7220
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:01 pm

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:11 am

Sauru wrote:zaza being number 2 for frost court votes is amazing. it proves how shitty the fan voting system has always been. i have always said, if they plan to continue using all star games as a measure of greatness than than need to remove the fans from the voting process all together. either change the name to something else or remove the fan vote


As I said before, I used to defend fan voting because when it came down to it, there were at most a couple of questionable selections, and even then they were generally still up there in terms of being star players. A couple of years in the early 2000s, there were some iffy selections at centre, but that comes down to the talent in the league at the time, and the old G-G-F-F-C format for the ballot. The most popular players, or at least the players the fans cast their votes for, tended to be the top players anyway. To that end, I'd disagree that the system has always been broken and horrible. It worked pretty well for a long time, and it's not like the coaches haven't made lousy picks for the reserves, either.

However, something's definitely starting to go awry. I agree with the suggestion that the ballot needs to go back to a selection of top talent, second-tier stars and borderline stars, rather than everyone in the league. At this point, I'm also wondering if the Frontcourt-Backcourt format for the ballot is actually now the more problematic approach. If they just restrict the names on the ballot though, it cuts down on joke votes, and any grassroots campaigns to get undeserving players selected.
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Sauru on Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:27 am

the system allows for players to get in on past greatness though. many players have made it simply because of who they are not because they were having the best year. thats why i always said it needs to be named something us otherwise put the best players that season in the game
User avatar
Sauru
 
Posts: 7220
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:01 pm

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:30 am

That's always a possibility, but going back to the 80s and 90s, and even through to the mid 2000s, how many starters each year absolutely didn't deserve to be there? Maybe one or two out of ten at most, every now and again?
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby I Hate Mondays on Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:45 pm

Ironically, Paul George debuts new shoes, goes 2-12 FG.
Image
User avatar
I Hate Mondays
 
Posts: 2171
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:41 am
Location: Romania

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Axel. on Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:26 am

Andrew wrote:I agree with the suggestion that the ballot needs to go back to a selection of top talent, second-tier stars and borderline stars, rather than everyone in the league.

I do like this approach, but then that would raise a few questions. Like, what is considered a second-tier and borderline star? I think the top talent category is pretty much clear-cut, but it'd be hard to draw a line as to what borderline stars to put on the ballot. That can be highly subjective, and could cause some voters to be upset that a certain player they believe to be worthy of the ASG is not on the ballot. Also, what if a certain player starts to have a breakout season after the ballots are released? Is that too bad so sad, or does he get added to the ballot? If it's the latter, he would miss out on votes he could've had if the ballots weren't restricted.

Either way, this approach does seem to work better than the current system, because at least that would make sure that the most deserving players do play in the ASG. There will always be snubs, but at least the players who get selected in place of those snubs are also solid selections themselves.
Axel.
If I die, I'm a legend
 
Posts: 4697
Joined: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:06 pm
Location: City of Purple Drank

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:06 am

They seemed to have a good handle on it back in the day, so I assume they could work out some reasonable criteria.
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Phil89 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:47 pm

My Stories
Live 10 - Thunder I, Thunder II
2k13 - Wizards / 2k15 - Sixers / 2k16 - Sixers 2k17 - Suns
User avatar
Phil89
 
Posts: 5173
Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:27 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:16 pm

Huge block. Love it.
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Phil89 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:52 pm

Andrew wrote:Huge block. Love it.

As entertaining as he has been off the court, it is great to finally see him playing. And playing well, too.

He is averaging almost 20 points, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks per game, whilst still on a minutes restriction (Y)
My Stories
Live 10 - Thunder I, Thunder II
2k13 - Wizards / 2k15 - Sixers / 2k16 - Sixers 2k17 - Suns
User avatar
Phil89
 
Posts: 5173
Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:27 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:02 pm

Brighter days ahead for the 76ers. Trust The Process, indeed.
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby big-shot-ROB on Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:23 am

I was watching NYvsTORONTO. Do the Knicks even try to win? :shock:
Image
User avatar
big-shot-ROB
Robert Horry is better than MJ, because everybody knows that 7>6.
 
Posts: 981
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:59 pm
Location: Manresa, Catalonia, Europe

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby I Hate Mondays on Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:47 am

big-shot-ROB wrote:I was watching NYvsTORONTO. Do the Knicks even try to win? :shock:


So you face losing streaks constantly, your young core and arguably the best player on the team is out with some minor injury, you make some changes to your starting lineup days before the game, setting new strategies and you add Lance Thomas...aaaand he gets a head injury literally the first minute of the game. You add the backstage drama with Melo complaining about not getting the ball against the 76ers and already the boring subject about Rose going MIA, you spice it up with a matchup against the 2nd team in the East and a hell of a good team IMO, and you get one of the poorest performances by the Knicks in a long time.
It's a good thing Raptors were leading by as much as 37 points near the end of the 3rd quarter. They realised the game is over by the start of the 4th and they sent their benchwarmers in. At least Knicks lost by an "ok" 15 points deficit. Actually, 15 points is more than ok when you were trailing by 37.
Image
User avatar
I Hate Mondays
 
Posts: 2171
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:41 am
Location: Romania

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Phil89 on Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:30 pm

God I hate watching Warriors games. Refs are always garbage.

They literally stopped the game right before Sabonis made a three pointer just because Draymond was still up the other end of the court.

OKC weren't going to win, but it killed all the momentum and now the Warriors have blown out what was a good contest.
My Stories
Live 10 - Thunder I, Thunder II
2k13 - Wizards / 2k15 - Sixers / 2k16 - Sixers 2k17 - Suns
User avatar
Phil89
 
Posts: 5173
Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:27 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby I Hate Mondays on Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:14 pm

Feel bad for Rudy Gay. Not the best time for him to get a season ending injury.
Image
User avatar
I Hate Mondays
 
Posts: 2171
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:41 am
Location: Romania

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:34 pm

Seriously- when is it a good time for an athlete to have a season ending injury?

That jokic guy is good
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:32 pm

air gordon wrote:Seriously- when is it a good time for an athlete to have a season ending injury?


A minor ankle injury on the last day of the season that'll heal in a week or two, for a player on a lottery-bound team. Then again, it's probably not so much good timing as "doesn't really matter". ;)
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby big-shot-ROB on Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:07 pm

Is it crazy to start a debate how far or how close is Leonard from KD and LeBron? Watching Kawhi this season, I might be afraid Leonard is now two steps ahead than KD. LeBron is a though matchup, as you can not see his realself until the postseason comes.
Image
User avatar
big-shot-ROB
Robert Horry is better than MJ, because everybody knows that 7>6.
 
Posts: 981
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:59 pm
Location: Manresa, Catalonia, Europe

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:21 pm

It depends. I would still call LeBron the best player in the league, but in terms of this year's MVP race, I'd probably be inclined to rank The Claw ahead of him.
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Phil89 on Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:25 pm

Big night for Russ. He got his 22nd triple double of the season (38/10/10), 59th overall (ties Larry Bird for 5th most ever) and sank the game-winning shot.

phpBB [video]
My Stories
Live 10 - Thunder I, Thunder II
2k13 - Wizards / 2k15 - Sixers / 2k16 - Sixers 2k17 - Suns
User avatar
Phil89
 
Posts: 5173
Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:27 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:33 pm

His former teammate had quite a night, too.

phpBB [video]
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:07 am

Andrew wrote:It depends. I would still call LeBron the best player in the league, but in terms of this year's MVP race, I'd probably be inclined to rank The Claw ahead of him.

How about James Harden?!

And how about this- mike d'antoni as a favorite for coach of the year. He certainly gets drubbed around here.
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:51 am

Sure, and Westbrook as well. Westbrook, Harden, and Leonard would probably be top three in my MVP race, though like I said, I'd still actually call LeBron the best player in the league.

Gotta hand it to Mike D'Antoni. His methods have yet to yield a championship, but when he's got some decent players and a star playing some MVP-level basketball, he can at least have an impressive regular season.
NLSC Webmaster/Administrator
Image
Contact: Email | Twitter
Release Threads: NBA Live 08 | NBA Live 07 | NBA Live 06 | NBA Live 2005
Story Threads: NBA 2K13 | NBA Live 06 (Part 2) | NBA Live 06 (HOF) | NBA Live 2004 (HOF)
NLSC: Podcast | The Friday Five | Monday Tip-Off | Wayback Wednesday | 20th Anniversary of NBA Live | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube


Support The NLSC Hosting Fund: Patreon | GoFundMe

Image
Like my work? Want to help out with the NLSC Hosting Fund? Please consider leaving a tip!
User avatar
Andrew
Orange Juice, haha!
Administrator
 
Posts: 98803
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:51 pm
Location: Australia

Re: 2016/2017 Daily Discussion Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:20 am

id say those phoenix suns had postseason success. multiple trips to the Western Conference finals. involved in some pretty darn good series.. most memorably perhaps coming back from 3-1 deficit against the lakers.

no disagreement regarding James
Fire GarPax
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 6671
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: windy city

PreviousNext

Return to NBA & Basketball

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 2 guests