well, the cavs are out, where will LeBron be in 2011?

[atlwarrior]

How much does a guy have to prove to you he sucks before you won't keep thinking "if only we play him enough in the right way he'll be good!" It's like the progressives' fallacy of "central planning will work this time, we finally got the right people in charge!"

To be honest I dont think any NBA player "sucks." Because their in the NBA. If they "sucked" they wouldnt be in the NBA in the first place. A person in my position wouldnt even fix their mouth to say that because it wouldnt be right because im not competing on that level and Idk what its like to be in the NBA. I dont do what they do. And when I said respect i meant you dont respect them as a player but you probably knew what i meant anyway of course i know dont know any of them as a person. And I said that because i knew it would lure somehow lure into saying something negative about the player.

[benji]

To be honest I dont think any NBA player "sucks." Because their in the NBA. If they "sucked" they wouldnt be in the NBA in the first place.

As should be obvious comparisons between NBA players are comparisons between NBA players. They are not comparisons of NBA players and the general population. In the context of the NBA, Telfair sucks, Olowokandi sucks, etc.

And when I said respect i meant you dont respect them as a player but you probably knew what i meant anyway

You're going to have to explain how you can "respect [someone] as a player."

[Andrew]

Not sure if it's a good thing to live your life using quotes from sneaker commercials.

I imagine "Just Do It" could lead to a lot of problems.

[Oznogrd]

Not sure if it's a good thing to live your life using quotes from sneaker commercials.

I imagine "Just Do It" could lead to a lot of problems.

It did for Tiger...


HI-O

Anyways on topic: i never understood the hype about telfair. I never thought he was any good and he ended up proving me right. Good coaches can maximize a players efficiency as compared to his potential: but the greatest coaches of all time can not turn a turd into bling. It doesnt work that way. After 6 years and journeymanning it basically..How could you honestly believe telfair is gonna be worth anything more than a 12th body if that?

As for back to Lebron: I personally would really like to see the Mavs situation happen. For some reason i've liked the Mavs (think because steve nash was there when i had a basketball rejuvenation in high school) and I'd like to see what they can do with a star in America. Dirk is great and all, but he's much bigger out of the states than he is in them.

[Rip32]

Anyways on topic: i never understood the hype about telfair. I never thought he was any good and he ended up proving me right. Good coaches can maximize a players efficiency as compared to his potential: but the greatest coaches of all time can not turn a turd into bling.

Eh, Rick Pitino probably could have made Telfair a beautiful college basketball turd. That's what his game was, driving and dishing, which is exactly what makes a PG look good in Louisville's three-point barrage of an offense.

He got hype because he's related to Marbury (when Marbury was legit) and he was a "street ball legend"... because those guys are always great players.

He's one of the guys that should have gone to college, maybe he would have realized how bad of a decision it was to have someone write that shitty book about his life.

[Alpha_]

he will still going to end up with the Cavs.. that's for sure!

[Dee.]

That's not for sure.

[Rip32]

This goes back to my normal bitching about fans, but if LeBron leaves Cleveland how many fans does he bring with him? I find it extremely hard to believe that the Cavs' national (and world-wide) following will still be giddy for the Mo Williams/JJ Hickson led Cavs.

Dee24 and any other Cavs fans, will you still be repping the crimson and gold next year or are you going to follow the LeBron train out east?

[Dee.]

Oh Bron will take a lot of fanboys with him,while the Cavs without bron probably won't even reach the Playoffs.

[Lamrock]

Cleveland will have about as many fans as they did in 2002-03. The Mo Williams-Antawn Jamison-Anderson Varejao big 3 era has begun!

[benji]

Oh Bron will take a lot of fanboys with him,while the Cavs without bron probably won't even reach the Playoffs.

Apparently eight teams from the East will make the playoffs, no matter how bad they are.

[Andrew]

Cuban fined $100,000 for comments on LeBron

The NBA won’t tolerate its teams talking about prospective free agents yet.

The league fined Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban $100,000 Saturday for comments made about free-agent-to-be LeBron James that violated the league’s anti-tampering rules.

Phoenix Suns president Steve Kerr also was fined $10,000 for comments he made in a radio interview.

Teams are not allowed to talk about another team’s players until July 1, when free agency opens. Commissioner David Stern said recently that his clubs had done well following the rules, even as fans and the media continue to speculate about what James and fellow free agents in summer’s class might do.

[cavs4872]

Cleveland will have about as many fans as they did in 2002-03.

And I'll be one of them. Living in Cleveland (well not in Cleveland, but about a half an hour away), I could really care less if LeBron leaves. We obviously need some type of change, and having the best basketball player in the world leave may just be that (no sarcasm intended). We surrounded him with every piece possible, and still couldn't get it done in the post season. I don't even know anymore.

[benji]

I could really care less if LeBron leaves.

But your economy is based on him.

[NovU]

With Lebron, it's likely that CLE will wing a ring in a few years though. If I were you, I'd be singing along with your folks from video above "We are Lebron".

[Oznogrd]

We surrounded him with every piece possible, and still couldn't get it done in the post season. I don't even know anymore.

Since when were Mo Williams, the Corpse of Shaq, and the remnants of Antawn Jamison every piece possible? even if you count all those as "good" pieces and lebron as a great piece you still need a 5th body that isnt shit to have a chance of getting past the Celtics, Lakers, or even the Magic (of which im not a particularly big fan of but alot of people were calling them the best team in the NBA this season despite records this year).

If the Cavs had any idea how to stop Rajon Rondo: they'd probably be beating up on the Magic right now instead of Boston but hey...I'm sure Lebron leaving couldnt possibly make the Cavs worse...oh...wait.. Scratch that.

[benji]

even the Magic (of which im not a particularly big fan of but alot of people were calling them the best team in the NBA this season despite records this year).

Statistically they were the best team, in point differential, pythag and SRS.

If the Cavs had any idea how to stop Rajon Rondo: they'd probably be beating up on the Magic right now

That is probably untrue. If there's one reasonable blog comment I've read, it was one on B-R that posited that Cleveland and Orlando specifically built around defeating each other and the Lakers, while ignoring the possibility of a healthy and contending Boston. (Which is constructed differently than those other teams as they're far more balanced in their distribution of talent across positions on the court.)

[Rip32]

I could really care less if LeBron leaves.

you must enjoy terrible basketball then.

I don't think the Cavs have surrounded him with "every piece possible". He played with a past his prime Shaq, past his prime Jamison, and a PG who can make threes during the regular season. He went from Darius Miles and Ricky Davis to that... and in between we saw washed up vets like Wally Szczerbiak and Eric Snow being KEY components to the Cavaliers.

He's never had a legit all-star companion, something every superstar needs to win a title. Cleveland has pieced together crap that other teams have looked to get rid of and most times LeBron has made that crap look really good, but he can only make it look so good. It doesn't matter if Cleveland had Kobe/Wade/Carmelo, any of those guys would have had equal, if not less, success with the make-shift cast of teammates LeBron James has had over the past 7 years.

[cavs4872]

Since when were Mo Williams, the Corpse of Shaq, and the remnants of Antawn Jamison every piece possible? even if you count all those as "good" pieces and lebron as a great piece you still need a 5th body that isnt shit to have a chance of getting past the Celtics, Lakers, or even the Magic (of which im not a particularly big fan of but alot of people were calling them the best team in the NBA this season despite records this year).

I don't think the Cavs have surrounded him with "every piece possible". He played with a past his prime Shaq, past his prime Jamison, and a PG who can make threes during the regular season. He went from Darius Miles and Ricky Davis to that... and in between we saw washed up vets like Wally Szczerbiak and Eric Snow being KEY components to the Cavaliers.

He's never had a legit all-star companion, something every superstar needs to win a title. Cleveland has pieced together crap that other teams have looked to get rid of and most times LeBron has made that crap look really good, but he can only make it look so good. It doesn't matter if Cleveland had Kobe/Wade/Carmelo, any of those guys would have had equal, if not less, success with the make-shift cast of teammates LeBron James has had over the past 7 years.

I get where you guys are coming from, but how much more can you do for a guy? We gave up some pretty bad players like Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, Sasha Pavlovic, and Damon Jones to get the team that we have now. And the starters on this team aren't as bad as you guys make them out to be. The corpse of Shaq and Mo Williams were both all-stars last season, the remnants of Antawn Jamison was a 20 PPG scorer earlier in the season (I understand that the Wizards weren't winning many games at the time though), and the fifth body that you claim to be shit was amongst the top three-point shooters this season (I personally wasn't satisfied with his play and don't want to give him too much credit either). But in the end though, I guess it just all comes from years of disappointment and frustration after falling short of the ultimate goal every season.

[NovU]

Lebron had good supporting casts. Swap the supporting casts with Kobe or Wade, the team still would have been favored to win it all. They were the best season team after all. And yeah, I agree with benji that the team wasn't built to play against healthy Celtics nor were they prepared mentally, underestimating them greatly. Lebron himself failed greatly in the series and he didn't have much room to blame the teammates. For fucks sake, Wade seemed to put up a better fight than Lebron did. If Lebron stays, it'll be an adjustment that will be needed rather than revamping the whole roster. It's unfortunate that they failed this year, but I thought they were closer than it seemed to be.

I am half & half on the rumour that West slept with James's mother that could have affected the chemistry of the whole team, let alone Lebron. The team and NBA themselves would love this kind of rumours kept quite since Lebron is a world NBA icon. And it was bit suspicious since Lebron denied the rumor after 4 or 5 days after this rumour were spread.

[shadowgrin]

For fucks sake, Wade seemed to put up a better fight than Lebron did.

That's why Wade has a ring and LeBron does not.

[Andrew]

I am half & half on the rumour that West slept with James's mother that could have affected the chemistry of the whole team, let alone Lebron. The team and NBA themselves would love this kind of rumours kept quite since Lebron is a world NBA icon. And it was bit suspicious since Lebron denied the rumor after 4 or 5 days after this rumour were spread.

I still have my doubts about that. I don't think it really matters when LeBron denied it, the denial is always going to be accepted by many as "proof".

[Andrew]

Obama: If LeBron is looking, Bulls have good core

If LeBron James isn’t sure he can win in Cleveland, President Barack Obama thinks there’s an opportunity with his hometown Chicago Bulls.

“You know, like I said, I don’t want to meddle,” Obama told TNT. “I will say this: (Derrick) Rose, Joakim Noah it’s a pretty good core. You know, you could see LeBron fitting in pretty well there.”

Obama was interviewed about a number of basketball subjects by broadcaster Marv Albert on the White House basketball court. The interview will be shown Tuesday night at 8 p.m. EDT.

Clearly an indication that there's a conspiracy between Stern and Obama to bring LeBron to Chicago.

[Rip32]

No, ESPN just loves having a president that has a very very distant outside interest in sports. He's apparently a White Sox fan and last month they asked him who his favorite player was on national TV. All he had to do was answer, say any baseball player for the Sox in the past 15 years, and he just bumbled around it.

I think it's stupid that he gets so much attention on ESPN.

[Dan's Brain]

Obama: If LeBron is looking, Bulls have good core

If LeBron James isn’t sure he can win in Cleveland, President Barack Obama thinks there’s an opportunity with his hometown Chicago Bulls.

“You know, like I said, I don’t want to meddle,” Obama told TNT. “I will say this: (Derrick) Rose, Joakim Noah it’s a pretty good core. You know, you could see LeBron fitting in pretty well there.”

Obama was interviewed about a number of basketball subjects by broadcaster Marv Albert on the White House basketball court. The interview will be shown Tuesday night at 8 p.m. EDT.

Clearly an indication that there's a conspiracy between Stern and Obama to bring LeBron to Chicago.

Fuck yeah! Nice to see the leader of the free world getting in on the action.