Chicago Bulls Thread

Another one that should be in consideration is Jordan Crawford. I don't know why teams doesn't want to sign this guy despite having a great tenure with the Celtics... By the way, Markieff Morris wants out of Phoenix. A swap with Gibson is perfectly matched with the salaries but Phoenix will need more for Morris perhaps adding a 1st rounder or 2 may persuade them to deal him to the Bulls?

Bulls got the opening night vs the Cavs. Great way to start a season.

Another one that should be in consideration is Jordan Crawford. I don't know why teams doesn't want to sign this guy despite having a great tenure with the Celtics... By the way, Markieff Morris wants out of Phoenix. A swap with Gibson is perfectly matched with the salaries but Phoenix will need more for Morris perhaps adding a 1st rounder or 2 may persuade them to deal him to the Bulls?

I think it's his attitude, mostly. He seems to believe that he's a much bigger deal than he is, which probably leads to him pricing himself out of what teams are willing to pay...not to mention questions about how well he'll fit into the role they'll need him to play, when he believes he's a superstar. Remember, this is someone who compared himself very favourably to Michael Jordan.

Gibson for Morris...maybe. Morris does seem to be healthier, if nothing else. Gibson's a bit more efficient and a better rebounder. Morris seems a bit more adept at putting up points (albeit slightly less efficiently) and is four years younger. It probably won't happen, but I could get on board with it if it did, sure.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/samsmith/jimmy ... on-success

“First off, I think I am a point guard,” Butler said without joking. “So I’ve done a heck of a lot of ball screen work, ball handling, getting into the paint and still handling, floaters, all that stuff point guards do. If I get a chance, high pick and roll more. I want some triple doubles. I’ve got to get my handle right so I can pass and get it to guys where they can make shots. I told Fred. You ask what position I play, I say point guard.”

Really?

Well, one thing's for sure. Rose isn't a shooting guard.

It's a good chance to buy low on him but If Morris can't play Sf, there's no sense in trading Gibson for a pf that doesn't particular rebound or defend well.

I think Crawford is hot garbage but I'm quite fine with it if he comes for the veteran minimum. Why not take a chance on a guy who can score points off the bench

Bulls need another ball handler with Rose so good for Butler.

Oh for sure, for the minimum I couldn't really object to them taking a chance on him. I can't see it happening though; he can make more money in China, and he seems to believe he's in the same class as Michael Jordan. I'd say that in his mind, there's no incentive to take a paycut to try and really make it in the NBA.

Hell, he'd probably insist they un-retire #23 so he could wear it.

I'd stay away from either of the Morris twins.

Guy needs to act his age.

Morris brothers are a headache. Don't they also have pending assault charges on them?

They do. Supposedly it's not expected to be a problem, but still kind of a concern.

I think it's his attitude, mostly. He seems to believe that he's a much bigger deal than he is, which probably leads to him pricing himself out of what teams are willing to pay...not to mention questions about how well he'll fit into the role they'll need him to play, when he believes he's a superstar. Remember, this is someone who compared himself very favourably to Michael Jordan.

Gibson for Morris...maybe. Morris does seem to be healthier, if nothing else. Gibson's a bit more efficient and a better rebounder. Morris seems a bit more adept at putting up points (albeit slightly less efficiently) and is four years younger. It probably won't happen, but I could get on board with it if it did, sure.

I see... I never knew about Crawford's Monta Ellis persona only the thing about teams rejecting him since he's over-pricing himself...

Morris' offensive arsenal is enticing, beside those factors you've said regarding age and health... I't's a no brainer for me. Nate Rob's a headcase so him being one will have no problem I reckon. Just don't bring in his twin if ever.

It's a good chance to buy low on him but If Morris can't play Sf, there's no sense in trading Gibson for a pf that doesn't particular rebound or defend well.

How bout bring Niko and PJ Tucker to the table since both match-up to their salaries also? It will fix the PF logjam and you'll have yourself a wingman.

I do like markief's offense as well. Gibsons age and health is a great point. Do you think he is a nba starter on another team? I'm not sure if my view of him is jaded due to the guy he primarily was fighting for minutes was boozer.

Tucker would be nice. What's the hypothetical deal now?

I'd probably class him as a borderline (or a bit past borderline, on the good side) or replaceable starter. When healthy, he's a very solid player and a worthy contender to start, but it's not like he's a Tim Duncan who even at the tail end of his career, is difficult to budge from a starting role. Or to put it another way...he's legitimately good enough to start in the NBA, but he's not a guaranteed starter.

Do you think he is a nba starter on another team? I'm not sure if my view of him is jaded due to the guy he primarily was fighting for minutes was boozer.

If Amir Johnson is considered as one why not him?

Tucker would be nice. What's the hypothetical deal now?

Russell Westbrook says Derrick Rose is back to his old self

Russell Westbrook said Derrick Rose looks like "the old Derrick Rose". Trainer Rob McClanaghan said Rose and RW are "neck and neck again"

I mean, we've heard it before, and even saw occasional flashes of it last season, but it's good to hear all the same. If nothing else, after all those injuries, it's nice to hear that he's still holding up alright after actually finishing the season last year.

Setting the bar low? Beating a dead horse? Maybe, but I still think the Bulls' only realistic option with Rose is to hope that he stays healthy and regains as much of his old form as possible. So any news like that is good news, in my book.

I think tucker and Gibson are a wash. Tucker's possible improvement in 3pt shooting equals Gibsons track record

So it comes down to Niko's mysterious potential vs Morris offensive arsenal

This Bulls management is scared of anyone with any kind of red flags. Personally I would strongly consider this deal. I remember seeing this Morris operating around the basket in college but he's added a perimeter game

As far as Rose... I'll just wait for the season to start with expectation he missed 8-10 games

So. Amidst the allegations against Rose...

What is your projection for the Bulls starting 5? Rose and Butler are the only locks.
My 2 cents of what it should be. Wishful thinking here as this is the assumption Noah is indeed healthy and Snell plays like Thibs was the one holding him back
Rose
Butler
Snell
Niko
Noah

Most likely to happen-
Rose
Butler
MJD
Taj
Gasol

Even if he's healthy, I like the idea of bringing Noah off the bench to be the energy guy and anchor the second unit. With his offense and rebounding, I like the idea of Gasol being in there as the starter.

I could see Snell taking over the starting role by the end of the season. As you said, it depends on whether it was Thibs holding him back, or whether what we've seen so far is truly where he's at right now. I'm not sure about him, but his play towards the end of last season has me thinking that there's more promise there than I thought. I'm not opposed to your "most likely" lineup to start out the season, but I think changes will (and should) be made as guys like Snell prove themselves. If nothing else, I could see Snell over MDJ by the end of the season.

It's good to have options. I like gasol off the bench for reasons you mention hehe. They will need a legit scorer for the 2nd unit. Mcbuckets still is a question mark.

Gasol and Niko down low could be adventure on defense!

Yeah there's definitely value in having that scorer off the bench, which Noah doesn't exactly provide. Offensively speaking, I do like the idea of coming out of the gate strong though, which is why I'd prefer Gasol to Noah in the starting five. As long as he's getting the minutes and putting up points, of course.

I expect it to be like:
Gasol
Taj
MDJ
Butler
DRose

Though there's this interview I read back then where Pau is somewhat hinting about him coming off the bench/readying himself for a different role so you'll probably put Noah replacing him on that line-up and Niko replacing Taj if ever he'll be relegated to the 2nd unit. The paint will be mushy indeed if they go with the Pau-Niko pairing (which is a possible scenario since Taj is rehabbing)...I reckon MDJ will still be the starting SF (unless Hoiberg surprise us putting Niko at the starting 3) since Mcbuckets is risky and Snell is Butler's lone reliever.

I could see Snell taking over the starting role by the end of the season. As you said, it depends on whether it was Thibs holding him back, or whether what we've seen so far is truly where he's at right now. I'm not sure about him, but his play towards the end of last season has me thinking that there's more promise there than I thought. I'm not opposed to your "most likely" lineup to start out the season, but I think changes will (and should) be made as guys like Snell prove themselves. If nothing else, I could see Snell over MDJ by the end of the season.

As I've said he's Butler's lone reliever so unless they acquire a dependable wing, who's capable to defend, (they listed Moore as an SG but I don't see him to be that guy and Kirk is too brittle to be in that role) he'll stick to the 2nd unit.

Yeah I definitely see Noah in a reserve role for the Bulls this year.

I think he's at the same stage of his career as the Cavs Anderson Varejao where he can be solid coming in and playing 15-20 off the bench.

Haha tough crowd. He's only one year removed from DPOY. I'll hold judgement until at the least preseason and see how he looks then

Gasol is coming off an all star season and Noah one year removed from a fine season. Neither of these guys are used to coming off the bench. In one of the more recent Gasol interviews he mentions he expects to earn his spot as a starter. Someone's feelings are going to hurt

I agree if Snell is starting there won't be that guy to relieve Jimmy Buckets as defensive wing off the bench. I see that as a good problem since that would mean Snell has stepped up his game to another level. GarPax better damn find guy haha

Now if we could get to the preseason already and see what this Hoiberg ball is all about...

Noah took a step back last season but my reduced minutes idea is to try and avoid injuries which is why he took such a big step back.

I think they should limit both Noah's and Gasol's minutes. I was impressed the spaniard made it through the season. I don't expect him to maintain his play with the same amount of minutes as last year

It will be a challenge for Hoiberg to incorporate his style of play and still limit the minutes of the bigs