Camby to Clippers

[el badman]

btw, 16 mil for camby isn't bad when u consider 2 years of quality service from legit 7 footer defensive force. 8mil / 7.65mil. in fact, he's even cheaper than kaman and a lot of other big mens.

Only problem is he'll only play 40-50 games as usual...

[benji]

First of all, let's get rid of the nitpicking and note that Camby is 6-11. Hardly a "legit 7 footer" whatever value that adds.

efficient 7 footer

Wut. How is a guy who shoots well under 50% efficient? Especially since he's not a great offensive rebounder for his position, merely good.

as u hear everywhere, defense wins the game in the end and clippers improved in D fo sure.

I might hear it everywhere, but just because people say things often and loudly doesn't make them true. Defense doesn't "win the game in the end" anymore and likely less than offense. The Clippers may have improved in defense, but that is completely irrelevant. They're still horrible on offense. You can hold another team to 0 points, but if you can't score, you can't win. Look at the 2002-03 Nuggets for an example of this.

btw, 16 mil for camby isn't bad when u consider 2 years of quality service from legit 7 footer defensive force.

Yes, it is when you consider that he's not going to change the fact this is no better than a 30 win team and that you can be a 30 win team without adding $21+ million in new spending a year.

Without adding Camby they'd have $11 million in cap space remaining. They could have looked for players who will actually improve the team long term. They could have punted the cash and still won 30 games. As I said. It was a panic band-aid on a gaping flesh wound. And now they have to punt any rebuilding project two years down the road instead of working on putting the pieces in place for Mobley and Thomas' obscene contracts to end and needing just one piece from 2010 to put them over.

[NovU]

whether camby's 7 feet or should it be 6-11, tell me if it makes any difference just like ppl saying tim duncan is 7 footer when he's actually 6-11. u living way 2 tight i tell ya

and if 7 footer of nba's first defensive team(07-08) isn't efficient, i dunno who can be said efficient especially when u consider his salary compared to other big mens'. he's one rare affordable big man in the league atm.

and addition of baron solved bit of scoring problem and rest is up to development of players like thorton and kaman. yes, i admit it's quite a downgrade in offense.

and u keep saying 30 games, yet they only managed to win 23(59losses). i dunno where ur getting there. it almost seems as if ur saying addition of baron & camby doesn't really improve the team that is already without maggette & brand.

imo, u can't expect teams to always save up for the future like u claim. if teams see chances like this, teams seize it and land players like camby. teams need to make profits out of players & performance. and clippers is already one of the lowest teams in payrolls. so why not land camby for second round pick? if u don't think it's a winner for clippers, i dunno what is. lol

[B-BaLL_KiLLer]

Yo people i fucking love the trade for LA man my boy Baron and Thorton gonna be better with Camby. Center-DeAndre Jordan is gonna be very glad with Camby cause he'll be his "Mentor". LA got a lot of young talent which requires Veteran Leadership and some D.

For Denver.....Back to lottery bitches lol.

[benji]

u living way 2 tight i tell ya

Okay...don't read my posts or anything...

and if 7 footer of nba's first defensive team(07-08) isn't efficient, i dunno who can be said efficient

Well, there are players who actually (i.e. ones who don't shoot under 40% on shots that aren't dunks) are efficient. Media awards notwithstanding.

and u keep saying 30 games, yet they only managed to win 23(59losses). i dunno where ur getting there

So they'll be a 40 plus win team? Baron Davis and Marcus Camby are worth 20+ wins? Really? I don't know how you're coming to that conclusion. Will the Warriors and Nuggets be low 40 win teams this year after losing these two Hall of Famers?

it almost seems as if ur saying addition of baron & camby doesn't really improve the team that is already without maggette & brand.

It shouldn't seem that, because I have directly said that.

mo, u can't expect teams to always save up for the future like u claim. if teams see chances like this, teams seize it and land players like camby.

Chances to not improve and lose $16 million over two years on a player who does nothing for them?

so why not land camby for second round pick?

As I keep saying. Because you lose money for someone who does not make the team better long term. You can win 30 games without dropping $21+ million in new spending. I feel like a broken record now.

teams need to make profits out of players & performance.

And again, how do you do this by wasting $21+ million a year?

if u don't think it's a winner for clippers, i dunno what is. lol

How about not wasting money on a player who will not make the team better long term?

For Denver.....Back to lottery bitches lol.

What? If Nene recovers to his 2006-07 performance and they hold onto J.R. Smith they won't miss a beat.

[GoHornets]

Well, there are players who actually are efficient. Media awards notwithstanding.

You're right. Diop is a good example.

[B-BaLL_KiLLer]

Yo benji, i didn't think of Nene or JR ,bro my bad if I got you mad.

[benji]

my bad if I got you mad

Good darko, what is wrong with this place right now...

[B-BaLL_KiLLer]

lol Wow, anyway the trade is so-and-so with me.

[NovU]

u living way 2 tight i tell ya

Okay...don't read my posts or anything...

and if 7 footer of nba's first defensive team(07-08) isn't efficient, i dunno who can be said efficient

Well, there are players who actually (i.e. ones who don't shoot under 40% on shots that aren't dunks) are efficient. Media awards notwithstanding.

and u keep saying 30 games, yet they only managed to win 23(59losses). i dunno where ur getting there

So they'll be a 40 plus win team? Baron Davis and Marcus Camby are worth 20+ wins? Really? I don't know how you're coming to that conclusion. Will the Warriors and Nuggets be low 40 win teams this year after losing these two Hall of Famers?

it almost seems as if ur saying addition of baron & camby doesn't really improve the team that is already without maggette & brand.

It shouldn't seem that, because I have directly said that.

mo, u can't expect teams to always save up for the future like u claim. if teams see chances like this, teams seize it and land players like camby.

Chances to not improve and lose $16 million over two years on a player who does nothing for them?

so why not land camby for second round pick?

As I keep saying. Because you lose money for someone who does not make the team better long term. You can win 30 games without dropping $21+ million in new spending. I feel like a broken record now.

teams need to make profits out of players & performance.

And again, how do you do this by wasting $21+ million a year?

if u don't think it's a winner for clippers, i dunno what is. lol

How about not wasting money on a player who will not make the team better long term?

For Denver.....Back to lottery bitches lol.

What? If Nene recovers to his 2006-07 performance and they hold onto J.R. Smith they won't miss a beat.

$20 mil for players like camby and baron is just about right considering the market value so clippers did nothing wrong getting those 2. and ur defense of long term plan don't always work out. even for knicks (team with more attractiveness & history) would have hard time landing a jackpot thru free agent market. most of times, ends up overpaying a player that limits team to grow further. in this case clippers didn't take risk letting baron and camby slip away. in fact it'd have been stupid for clippers to not to.

and clippers would have lost more money if it hadn't been for baron and camby. owners invest money to make money. it's all about business. saving up for the future would rather turn out to be a risk for the clippers owners. on top of that, 40+ wins would be awesome in terms of business again.

as for GSW, imo, i don't think they will be a strong contender for playoff spot this year. their starting line up looks ok, but something seems to be missing and bench doesn't look too good either. for denver, i wish ai & k-mart come back to previous motivated self since i'm a big fan of AI.

[Andrew]

Only problem is he'll only play 40-50 games as usual...

He hasn't been too bad injury-wise in Denver, playing 70 or more games three years out of six including the last two, reaching a career high 79 games played this past season. By his standards, that's pretty durable.

[benji]

$20 mil for players like camby and baron is just about right considering the market value so clippers did nothing wrong getting those 2.

Yes, they did. They wasted money on players who don't make the team better.

nd ur defense of long term plan don't always work out.

True, not all plans work out. (Obvious! Not on this forum!) But building cheaply for a long term plan is always better than spending a ton of money to lose.

most of times, ends up overpaying a player that limits team to grow further.

Right, exactly like the Clippers have.

in this case clippers didn't take risk letting baron and camby slip away. in fact it'd have been stupid for clippers to not to.

No, it would have been smart for the Clippers not to throw money away in a panic.

and clippers would have lost more money if it hadn't been for baron and camby.

They would've lost more than $21 million to accomplish the same thing?

owners invest money to make money. it's all about business.

Really? Tell me more.

on top of that, 40+ wins would be awesome in terms of business again.

It would. But spending $21+ million to win 30 games wouldn't. And that's what they did.

for denver, i wish ... since i'm a big fan of AI.

Hmm...what was it I said about emotions and feelings...

[Brave Sir Rubin]

How often does Benji argue with 12 year olds these days?

[NovU]

$20 mil for players like camby and baron is just about right considering the market value so clippers did nothing wrong getting those 2.

Yes, they did. They wasted money on players who don't make the team better.

nd ur defense of long term plan don't always work out.

True, not all plans work out. (Obvious! Not on this forum!) But building cheaply for a long term plan is always better than spending a ton of money to lose.

most of times, ends up overpaying a player that limits team to grow further.

Right, exactly like the Clippers have.

in this case clippers didn't take risk letting baron and camby slip away. in fact it'd have been stupid for clippers to not to.

No, it would have been smart for the Clippers not to throw money away in a panic.

and clippers would have lost more money if it hadn't been for baron and camby.

They would've lost more than $21 million to accomplish the same thing?

owners invest money to make money. it's all about business.

Really? Tell me more.

on top of that, 40+ wins would be awesome in terms of business again.

It would. But spending $21+ million to win 30 games wouldn't. And that's what they did.

for denver, i wish ... since i'm a big fan of AI.

Hmm...what was it I said about emotions and feelings...

i c ur point but we r on totally different page. my opinion is that baron & camby are well worth the money. i wouldn't say same thing about maggette & elton in terms of money that they're getting now. if they were to stay clippers with same amount salary, clippers would possibly in same shoes or worse since more money's invested. winning wise, it wouldn't have made much difference.

[Cartar]

Apparently Nets offered Josh Boone, Sean Williams, Marcus Williams and expirings for Camby but Denver wanted to just dump the salary and get nothing to return. I would´ve taken that deal any day over what deal they made, even if prefering dumping salary.

[wazee]

Apparently Nets offered Josh Boone, Sean Williams, Marcus Williams and expirings for Camby but Denver wanted to just dump the salary and get nothing to return. I would´ve taken that deal any day over what deal they made, even if prefering dumping salary.

yup.. but i think the cap for the nets wasn't enough to absorb the contract of Camby without giving up any players, that's why they didn't execute the deal.. the whole point of the team was for cap relief, so the idea of getting developing players wasn't on their mind.. but all of us would really think that it wasn't really a good move, giving up a quality player for nothing.. if they want to contend this season, they could have traded camby for someone in return..

FYI.. Camby was blindsided by the trade that brought him to the Clippers..

[NovU]

FYI.. Camby was blindsided by the trade that brought him to the Clippers..

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2 ... ted-trade/

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"Blindsided, distraught, disrespected. All those adjectives. I definitely feel insulted," he said in a telephone interview with the Rocky Mountain News.

poor camby. seems like he has reasons & motivations to play at high lvl now.

[Andrew]

I'm sure his remarks are going to lead to him being labelled a crybaby but I can understand where he's coming from. The NBA is certainly a business and Camby is getting paid a lot of money but that doesn't mean he or any other player should happily accept whatever happens to them no matter what the circumstances. He's free to feel however he wants even if it is "just business" and speak his mind, just as if he were welcoming of the deal or demanded it himself.

[NovU]

I'm sure his remarks are going to lead to him being labelled a crybaby but I can understand where he's coming from.

i sure hope not. he's shown the most heart both on and off the court for 6 years in denver, even tho wasn't most talented or healthy. he was the only one who did every job that was asked to do on denver roster, selflessly. but still denver's owners embarrassed camby by dumping him. now it'll be tougher for denver to convince player w/ heart to come to play for denver.

[[Q]]

well i think the trade obviously helped the Clippers since they weren't getting Brand back but the West will be as tough as last year so the increase in wins from last year won't be as big as people think.

[rdelizo35]

QBaller,

You are probably right because the Suns and Lakers also play in the Pacific Division along with the Clippers. Golden State and Sacramento also, I think.

[Dramacydal]

How often does Benji argue with 12 year olds these days?

Way too often since most of them are hopeless cases that probably can't even comprehend what he's saying or refuse to read entire posts...

[Andrew]

I'm sure his remarks are going to lead to him being labelled a crybaby but I can understand where he's coming from.

i sure hope not. he's shown the most heart both on and off the court for 6 years in denver, even tho wasn't most talented or healthy. he was the only one who did every job that was asked to do on denver roster, selflessly. but still denver's owners embarrassed camby by dumping him. now it'll be tougher for denver to convince player w/ heart to come to play for denver.

Not everyone sees it that way though, taking the whole "NBA is a business" mantra to the extreme. It may be business but it also affects players on a personal level, they're not always going to be happy with the situation nor should they be. Obviously they're expected to handle the situation professionally but that doesn't mean there can't be hard feelings or disappointment if they're traded somewhere they don't want to go or feel their former teams didn't extend them any professional courtesy when making the deal.

[hova-]

I think that a lot depends on how Al Thornton can improve his game. Camby is not there to provide any scoring, it would even be better if he does not get the ball as often as he did in Denver. His job is to play defense and to crash the boards.
I think Kaman is a better scorer than Camby. (although I cannot statistically proove it, benji !) Actually Im too tired now.

If Thornton pushes his game to another level and the Clippers will be succesfull with the mixture they try to reach now everyone will be on the bandwagon for sure.

Furthermore benji, everythin can happen. I see your point but statistics do not really influence the future. Maybe Thornton explodes and B-Diddy starts to be a playmaker, you never know whats gonna happen in completely newly created team.

[benji]

Maybe, but maybe they're both mauled to death by feral cats.

I think Kaman is a better scorer than Camby. (although I cannot statistically proove it, benji !)

You can't? I don't even have to look to expect that Kaman scored more points and shot a higher percentage. (But if I did: 15 p/36 vs 9, 54% TS vs 50%.)

I see your point but statistics do not really influence the future.

True, inanimate objects often can't do many things.