The Knicks Thread....

[Ataraxia]

damn the knicks shut the jazz down to 62 points...
2 wins in a row, hopefully the turnaround has begun.

[John WB]

man toast , most of these knicks fans envy us , I think me , you , and Jeffx are the only 3 knicks fans on the forums that get to see the games on MSG .

A.. What?

I get MSG. I live bout 30 minutes from The Garden.

[Doobie]

didn't realize so many knicks fans here actually lived in or by NY . Sorry , eitherway , how many games do you usually watch a season?? Me , I watch anywhere between 60-70 . My goal this year is to watch 75+ . All 82 if I can , so far im 7 / 7 .

[John WB]

I watch most if not all of them.

Last year I missed some because of the problems with MSG and Time Warner with MSG being taken away.

[Jeffx]

damn the knicks shut the jazz down to 62 points...
2 wins in a row, hopefully the turnaround has begun.

But these cats are painful to watch....23 turnovers and 10 of 24 from the line?

I'm so glad the football Giants are doing well - anything to take my mind off NY hoops.

[air gordon]

imagine if the knicks lost to the injury depleted jazz....

[Amphatoast]

kobe 42points
marbury 4 points, 10 assist

i think that sums it up

the young team is looking good with nate robinson, treva ariza, david less, and channing frye.
i like seeing them because they hussle out there and don't just shoot jump shots- if they do they going for the rebound

[magius]

get the feeling marbury is trying to play more like a true point (either that or the larry brown effect... doubt its just larry brown, cuz it seems he's been trying right off the bat). hopefully it pays off eventually, the others have to get their act together and stop hoisting stupid shots. frye is looking good.

[Jeffx]

DUH!

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... 2070c.html

[Jackal]

The amount of shit that's being handed to Marbs, it's sad. The kid can play, he showed he can. The media just needs a punching bag.

[Amphatoast]

yeah and isiah thomas finally recoginizing that there are problems with the team finally. It's only 7 games though, I think we expecting too much this early. They need some time to gel and get this going. Marbury is use to the critism, that's a part of the job when you are a franchise player, or at least paid like one.

[Ruff Ryder]

I didn't get to see the 2nd half of the game, but i was pretty impressed with their play in the 1st half. After Marbury took a few bad shots, he started getting into the flow of the game and playing more like a team player. The young guys for the Knicks played great. Frye had 15 off the bench in the first half. I think the Knicks post players are significantly better than before, and they have a lot of depth at their various positions.

It's not like the Knicks are getting blown out every game, pretty much all of their losses have been by a few points. I hope Larry fixes this soon.

[Jeffx]

Excellent article. Simmons breaks down why this franchise has stumbled since their last championship. It's everything I've been ranting about.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ons/051116

[Amphatoast]

• He has three shoot-first point guards: Stephon Marbury (who legitimately doesn't enjoy making his teammates better); Jamal Crawford (an absolute gunner in every respect); and Nate Robinson (a 5-foot-7 ball hog). You can't play any of these guys together. Well, you could. You're just going to lose more than you win.

• He has two overpaid and undersized power forwards who can't rebound: Malik Rose and Maurice Taylor. In fact, there isn't a single guy on the team who can grab a big rebound in traffic other than rookie David Lee, whom Brown refuses to play because, well, he's a rookie, and Larry Brown doesn't play rookies. By the way, this team has three of them.

• He has two overpaid centers who can't rebound or block shots: Eddy Curry and Jerome James. Amazingly, the James Era is already over -- Brown is routinely DNP-ing him. There wasn't even a honeymoon period with this one, just straight to the divorce. Unprecedented. Meanwhile, Curry has a mysterious heart problem that scared the Bulls enough that they practically gave him away. Good times all around.

• He has two overpaid swingmen with back/knee problems who stink defensively and can't do anything other than shoot: Quentin Richardson and Penny Hardaway. In fact, other than Trevor Ariza, he doesn't have a single player on his roster at the one, two and three positions who can guard anyone.

that sums it up pretty much

[Jeffx]

Isiah paid big money for a bunch of anti-Larry Brown type players, then he went ahead and hired Larry Brown?

Does it get any dumber than this? Knicks need to clean house, from Dolan on down.

[Ruff Ryder]

yea, Knicks win!!!

Marbury 27 pts 8 asts
Telfair 27 pts 7 asts 6 rebs, he played great.

Frye had another big game off the bench with 20 and 6.

[maes]

It's so early to be saying they need to overhaul everything...you'd think this is February. November has always been as flaky as pre-season in the NBA.

My guess is Zeke will obtain a true PG somehow (I hear Earl Watson is riding the pine) and Marbury will move to 2 guard.

[Strike Freedom]

maybe Marbury is trying to proof that Knicks can't win without him.

[Ruff Ryder]

maybe Marbury is trying to proof that Knicks can't win without him.

Whatever it is Larry Brown isn't buying it. This is almost just like the AI situation he had when he first joined Philly.

[Amphatoast]

KG a KNICK?????????
If Isiah pulls this off Jeffx, you have to get cable then!! lol
Okay, it's just anther ESPN rumor but still... man if it does happen... in short it would be KG+Wally for Penny+Davis ( 2 expiring contracts)... it gives the wolves cap space as they see they can't win a championship with KG since he is at his prime and the competition is high. Plus there are "rumors" he wants to reunite with Marbury.

Pistons, Knicks shopping for KG?posted: Monday, November 21, 2005

Get ready for the Kevin Garnett trade rumors, the first of which was quickly shot down Sunday by Kevin McHale and Joe Dumars -- even as others maintained it was legit.
Both team executives denied there was any truth to talk that made its way around the league over the weekend that the Detroit Pistons were willing to ship a package including Rasheed Wallace and Darko Milicic to Minnesota for Garnett.

The future of the 29-year-old, eight-time All-Star came into question after Garnett's much-discussed interview Thursday night on TNT. Garnett criticized McHale for his handling of the Timberwolves during the troubled 2004-05 season in which Flip Saunders was fired and McHale took over as head coach.

Dumars insisted he had not been in contact with the Wolves regarding Garnett, and McHale also dismissed the rumor, which came as executives from others teams were trying to gauge whether the Timberwolves would seriously consider dealing the franchise player who has been with Minnesota throughout his entire 10-year NBA career. Team owner Glen Taylor told reporters in Minnesota that Garnett has "never, ever" sought a trade.

"We're not trading Garnett," McHale said Sunday night.

The prevailing opinion around the league is that Minnesota, barring a sustained nosedive prior to the All-Star break, would not consider trading Garnett before next summer. With a record of 5-4 following their victory over Charlotte on Saturday night, the Wolves are in first place in the Northwest Division.

Garnett is under contract for $18 million this season, then will make $21 million, $22 million and $23 million over the next three years. With Wally Szczerbiak under contract for an equal number of years ($10 million this season, $11 million, $12 million and $13 million the next three), the Timberwolves would have very little salary cap flexibility for the next half-decade unless they jettisoned their two highest-paid players. Minnesota already has a forward (Mark Madsen) and three guards (Marko Jaric, Troy Hudson and Trenton Hassell) signed at least through the 2009-10 season.

One source told ESPN.com that the New York Knicks had made Minnesota an offer that included the expiring contracts of Penny Hardaway ($15.7 million) and Antonio Davis ($13.9 million). But for such a trade to work under salary cap rules, the Knicks would also have to take back Sczcerbiak. While that deal would be stunningly lopsided talent-wise, it would relieve the Wolves of $102 million in salary obligations over the next three seasons, allowing them to enter the 2006 offseason with approximately $25 million of cap space.

One source close to several NBA players insisted that the viability of the Knicks' offer should not be dismissed, going so far as to say Garnett was making a private push through back channels to be dealt to New York and reunite with former teammate Stephon Marbury.

"I'd bet money he'll be wearing a Knicks uniform by the end of February," the source said.

Another source insisted Detroit's offer of Wallace and Milicic was real, adding that the offer was made through another Pistons official so that Dumars could maintain deniability in case the players came to him for an explanation.

The Nets have also been mentioned as a possible trade partner in a Garnett deal, but it is believed the Wolves would consider a deal with New Jersey only if they could get back Richard Jefferson, whose status as a base-year compensation player under salary cap rules makes him exceedingly difficult to deal. The best offer the Nets could make this season would include Vince Carter, another player (Nenad Krstic?, Mile Ilic?) and a pair of No. 1 picks (their own and the Clippers').

[Doobie]

I highly doubt KG is leaving Minny , but if a traade like that does happen ( I know millions of draft picks are going to invovled if it happens ) Then WOW!!!

[Amphatoast]

KG's comments about Kevin McHale could lead to a trade.

This season's first big NBA trade rumor? Chris Sheridan says Kevin Garnett could be a Knick by early '06. Both sides are denying any deal has been discussed. But ... Story

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I think this upped our chances of getting KG .00000001% lol

[Jackie Kong]

Curry-Garnett-Szerbiak(i don't know if i am spelling it right, lol)-Crawford-Marbury

Bench:
Frye
Richardson
Barnes
Robinson
Ariza
Taylor
Lee

+Larry Brown

On papers that team sounds amazing, lol.

[Amphatoast]

the +Larry brown sounds bad if no one can play defense lol

KG and Ariza sound like the only ones who can play D

[Jackie Kong]

well, brown can turn some non-defensive players into defensive players like for example when Glenn Robinson improve by 100 %, lol, his defense by going to the spurs last season. With the pistons there had been players like Billups that had really improved their defensive skills with Brown.