LeBron going to Miami

[Weiland]

Ethics? Really?

I remember adults telling to aspiring young athletes that "It's not whether you win or lose, giving the best you can is what matters".

And they were wrong apparently. Now it's about winning, alone, with no one to help you. Not having fun playing with friends, not winning by working with others, but doing it alone. (Unlike everyone else in all sports ever.)

Second, we will never see Lebron living up to his potential (though he is already very great) since there would be no sense for him to score 50 points to win a game. We will never see from him a Michael Jordan than will score 50 points and still lose to the Boston Celtics.

I have no clue how anyone can say this seriously. There were people saying LeBron will never live up to his potential (which is never defined) before he even left Cleveland because he was 25 years old and hadn't developed his scoring methods to the extent a 30+ year old had.

Third, it will also decrease Wade and Bosh' talent production

How can you decrease someones talent?

Fourth, Kobe is now on top of the world. I admit I am a Kobe hater, but remember after Shaq left them, they didn't make the playoffs for 2 consecutive years, Kobe was rumored to be demanding a trade but nevertheless stuck it out now what do we have. A more classy Kobe Bryant. And I'm starting to like him.

Kobe wasn't just rumored, he publicly demanded a trade. And he "stuck it out" because he didn't have the leverage to decide where he landed and he realized the Clippers were a terrible choice. Same reason KG rejected the trade to Boston initially until Pierce and Allen convinced him to join them.

And Kobe is hardly more classy today, he's still the same arrogant whining narcissist. Now he's just got this phony passive-aggressive "leader" facade going with his team for the cameras.

So you admit that you'd rather live up to Lebron basketball than proper decorum and NBA basketball as basketball?

Yes of course the league has imperfections but by principle it has to a certain degree tried to balance the power for its own good, for basketball and of course for the fans.

You know the problem with LeBron is not leaving Cleveland, but rather the way he left and the motive for choosing Miami Heat. He thinks he is being competitive by eliminating competition itself by joining forces with players almost the same his caliber but still are nevertheless below his level. The point is that he may win but he is not a winner. I am not criticizing his game but rather his attitude, as if his like creating an entire new standards on how to act. I don't criticize him if he wants a lesser role, if he wanted to be a Brian Scalabrine then fine. But what the fuck is "decision 2010"? Clearly this guy is playing his larger than life persona to the extremes. He acts as if he is a winner but will just bolt in with players that are so good? Honestly, when Bosh signed with the Heat, I thought, Man they would be the Eastern Champs. Then LeBron went along then I said. Fuck it's like the olympics. But don't get me wrong, playing for your country and being united because of is different. And if you can understand simple logic, I didn't say it will decrease they talent, but rather the talent production.

[benji]

So you admit that you'd rather live up to Lebron basketball than proper decorum and NBA basketball as basketball?

This question is pretty gibberish, but you're going to have to define "proper decorum" because I'm pretty sure we don't even agree on the definition.

He thinks he is being competitive by eliminating competition itself

More disagreement here, since I don't think the Heat will win every title for the next five years untouched by all the rest of the teams.

The point is that he may win but he is not a winner.

Again, we're going to disagree on the definition.

And if you can understand simple logic, I didn't say it will decrease they talent, but rather the talent production.

That's not "simple logic" if you aren't decreasing their talent how can you possible decrease "talent production" whatever the hell that means?

[NovU]

Weiland is probably a Cav fan.

[Weiland]

You wouldn't understand my arguments if you wouldn't believe that I'm a Lebron fan.

First, if there ain't no proper decorums regarding his decision 2010, it prepossesses that there is no such thing as wrong, and therefore you cannot wrong my posts. But if you want to reduce proper conduct to mere public opinions then I guess you are granting LeBron James to be the standard of not just playing basketball but also how to teat basketball and sports as such, then I understand how you are justifying LeBron's actions.

Second, Talent does not depend on output but rather output depends on talent. So I don’t know why you seem to have trouble understanding the distinction between talent and talent production.

[Weiland]

Weiland is probably a Cav fan.

I'm a die hard Portland fan, but I'm (was) a Lebron Fan. I love the sport.

[benji]

First, if there ain't no proper decorums regarding his decision 2010, it prepossesses that there is no such thing as wrong, and therefore you cannot wrong my posts.

English is not your first language, right?

But if you want to reduce proper conduct to mere public opinions then I guess you are granting LeBron James to be the standard of not just playing basketball but also how to teat basketball and sports as such, then I understand how you are justifying LeBron's actions.

I am "justifying" his action to sign with Miami because there is nothing wrong with this action. Same as there is nothing wrong with Amare going to New York, Boozer to Chicago, or Ben Wallace staying in Detroit.

Second, Talent does not depend on output but rather output depends on talent. So I don’t know why you seem to have trouble understanding the distinction between talent and talent production.

...because you have yet to define "talent production" which is a phrase that makes no sense in any context you have used it. Especially considering you differentiated it from their production on the court.

Please provide a definition and select examples of "proper decorum", "talent production" and "winner."

[NovU]

He basically hates the idea of one team becoming the goliath. Well... That happened so many times in the past. Lebron definitely isn't the first one to make it happen. Moreover, his claims of "motives to join the Heat were bad" I think is the sentiment that is shared by many these days, and some can be dismissed as haters imo. There's really nothing much to say to them. There'd been people like that even if he joined the Bulls or Knicks. As a fan of Heat, my defense is the ones you guys are already tired of hearing "friendship and sacrifice, while having great chance at the title." Were those motives that bad. It all differs from perspective I guess...

[Andrew]

The Decision, the program, was a mistake. The decision, itself, not at all.

Pretty much sums it up in two sentences.

[Weiland]

First, if there ain't no proper decorums regarding his decision 2010, it prepossesses that there is no such thing as wrong, and therefore you cannot wrong my posts.

English is not your first language, right?

But if you want to reduce proper conduct to mere public opinions then I guess you are granting LeBron James to be the standard of not just playing basketball but also how to teat basketball and sports as such, then I understand how you are justifying LeBron's actions.

I am "justifying" his action to sign with Miami because there is nothing wrong with this action. Same as there is nothing wrong with Amare going to New York, Boozer to Chicago, or Ben Wallace staying in Detroit.

Second, Talent does not depend on output but rather output depends on talent. So I don’t know why you seem to have trouble understanding the distinction between talent and talent production.

...because you have yet to define "talent production" which is a phrase that makes no sense in any context you have used it. Especially considering you differentiated it from their production on the court.

Please provide a definition and select examples of "proper decorum", "talent production" and "winner."

I understand where you are coming from and I can find sense with what you are saying but I just don't agree with it. What you are saying is that my terms are ambiguous but actually they aren't, what I said is just a case of "either you see it or you don't". But if you really want to push it further, the ambiguity of "proper decorum" can be justified by rigid philosophical arguments and have conclusion as to whether there are or there are none, so in that sense, i'm not strictly speaking in Basketball terms as I injected something about the moral rectitude of Lebron's conduct which of course not the topic debatable in itself, but rather the foundations by which we can discuss in a different forum.
and finally, I know you know i mean presupposes when i said prepossesses. Unfortunately I failed to check the spellchecker.

[benji]

That's not the problem with that sentence, nor why I asked the question I did.

What you are saying is that my terms are ambiguous but actually they aren't, what I said is just a case of "either you see it or you don't"

Uhhh...

I injected something about the moral rectitude of Lebron's conduct

So your argument is that it is immoral for players to choose which teams they want to play for? Or just when they take into account which other players are on those teams?

Or does it become immoral when you announce it on TV? So press conferences are immoral? Or only agreements between agencies and networks to broadcast a press conference?

[kevin02]

my prediction for Cleveland's record this year 44 and 38.

[The X]

The ripple effect of Lebanon's "Decision":

In an effort to cut costs, the Miami Heat terminated all of its staff dedicated to selling season-ticket packages for the team.

The Heat dominated this summer's NBA free agency by signing LeBron James and Chris Bosh, while retaining Dwyane Wade.

Soon thereafter, the team sold out all of its season-ticket inventory and now has a waiting list with approximately 6,000 names.

About 30 staff members were dismissed from their employment with the Heat.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... z0vD9NMU86

[air gordon]

Tiger woods is the biggest beneficiary here

[Andrew]

About 30 staff members were dismissed from their employment with the Heat.

Soon to be replaced by members of LeBron's entourage in new roles.

[NovU]

That'd be so annoying but if that's what it takes, oh well...

"They let us go because there was really nothing left to do anymore,'' the fired staffer said.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/31/1 ... -sold.html