X's Hypothetical Draft Do-overs *1984 Posted*

[Lamrock]

You didn't see that the topic title said *1987 posted*?

[bowdown]

You didn't see that the topic title said *1987 posted*?

stfu

[CKal]

I'd suggest that you should be polite to people, especially when you were wrong in the first place.

Anyway, I love these draft do-overs, X. Since I just started watching NBA this year, it helps me understand the backgrounds of these teams.

And I hope you get to MJ's draft A.S.A.P.

[bowdown]

MJ's draft lol. we skipped on him and got that retard bowie

[The X]

I don't think there's any question of Pip going at #2 over Reggie. I'm not sure about Reggie Lewis going at #7 though. I don't disagree in terms of talent but if a team could look into the future and see the health problems that he'd have leading to his untimely passing (after 92/93, not 02/03 ) perhaps they'd reconsider.

thanks, yeah, I knew it was in 1993, as Drazen Petrovic also sadly passed away as well that offseason....that was the year I started following the NBA & playing basketball in general....

That doesn't have anything to do with the 1987 Draft, but the way things have turned out I'd rather the Bulls kept Aldridge.

I just think Reggie Lewis gets them over the MJ hump in one of those season

I think blazers hit jackpot by getting aldrdige for tyrus thomas. aldridge was 3rd most improved this year, and thomas skips practices.. which one would u want?

yes, I said back then that the Bulls should've stuck with Aldridge & to date I have been right....but yep, Blazers lucked out with getting Aldridge & Roy in Draft Night trades....I'm curious to see what they do....if Bucks don't get Joe Alexander, I sure hope Blazers get him

I'd suggest that you should be polite to people, especially when you were wrong in the first place.

Anyway, I love these draft do-overs, X. Since I just started watching NBA this year, it helps me understand the backgrounds of these teams.

And I hope you get to MJ's draft A.S.A.P.

np, I originally started them as I really like doing them too, & I've always had a big interest in the NBA Draft (enough for me to take this Friday off work just before end of financial year to watch it live whilst having a few brews with mates )....

as for MJ Draft, that'll come eventually....maybe I'll get to the infamous 1986 Draft tomorrow....it might be a tough one....

[Andrew]

I just think Reggie Lewis gets them over the MJ hump in one of those season

Perhaps, after all they did push the Bulls to the limit a couple of times during that era. I don't think it would be a given though.

[The X]

I just think Reggie Lewis gets them over the MJ hump in one of those season

Perhaps, after all they did push the Bulls to the limit a couple of times during that era. I don't think it would be a given though.

nothing is a given against MJ & the Bulls though may as well roll the dice....

[Andrew]

To be honest, I can't suggest anyone I'd place over Reggie Lewis at the seventh pick so I can't really argue against it.

[The X]

that's true....if there was anybody else that stood out, he probably just misses out due to his untimely death....such is life I guess....

[Andrew]

I'm interested to see what you'll do with 1986. Not to steal your thunder, but these would be my picks:

1. Brad Daugherty (Cleveland) - picked 1st
2. Dennis Rodman (Boston) - picked 27th
3. Mark Price (Golden State) - picked 25th
4. Chuck Person (Indiana) - picked 4th
5. Ron Harper (New York) - picked 8th
6. Arvydas Sabonis (Phoenix) - picked 24th
7. Nate McMillan (Dallas) - picked 30th

Honourable mentions: John Salley (11th), Dell Curry (15th), Scott Skiles (22nd), Jeff Hornacek (46th). I think those guys would be amongst the next players selcted.

Biggest flops: Len Bias (2nd), Chris Washburn (3rd), Kenny Walker (5th), William Bedford (6th), Roy Tarpley (7th), Brad Sellers (9th). Not a strong Draft in the top ten, though who knows how good Len Bias truly would have been.

[Sauru]

Bias would have been the greatest player ever, well second greatest, he would have scored 82 at least once

[shadowgrin]

And the first greatest player for you Sauru would be..?

[Andrew]

Celtics legend Acie Earl.

[benji]

If Sabonis actually came over, there would be no contest for him topping the 1986 draft.

[[Q]]

I caught the 96 draft on NBA tV today. funny how they (Ernie Johnson & Rick Pitino) were raving about Fa-i mean Antoine Walker. All the teams seemed to make good picks that filled their needs. but then came New Jersey. They needed a shooting guard. badly. Peter Vescey called out John Calipari and the Nets and pretty much said that if they had any balls they should draft this kid named Kobe Bryant. but they needed help immediately so they got the 4-year player Kerry Kittles. amazing. also, they were talking about how Jerry West was "very high" on Kobe before he traded for him of course.

[Andrew]

I thought about that and I'd have to agree, if he made the jump to the NBA the year he was drafted he'd have to go number one in a do-over. Assuming history would play out as it did, I reckon the lottery teams would go for the players likely to make an impact in the near future.

[[Q]]

even the TNT analysts said that it would take him 2-3 years before making an impact, which was true. airballing 3s in Utah his rookie year wasn't great for the team. but if they did a redraft in 96 without knowing how these guys panned out, I would assume that it would still go pretty close to how it originally went. but if you redraft with that hindsight, then Todd Fuller wouldn't have even been drafted lol

[Matthew]

http://www.nba-live.com/features/draft1996redone.php

[Lamrock]

I love Nash, but he was not right to go at #2. He should have been 3 for sure.

[The X]

Celtics legend Acie Earl.

Based on his stellar NBL career, you're not too far off

[Andrew]

Todd Fuller was doing alright in the NBL too, averaging 18 and 9 before the debacle with Heal.

[Sauru]

And the first greatest player for you Sauru would be..?

wilt of course, is that not how we rank the best ever now? by thier best 1 game point total?

[The X]

1986 NBA DRAFT RE-DONE (per The X)

1. Cleveland: C- Brad Daugherty (picked #1)

I actually (for a few seconds) considered putting Mark Price here, but in the end, you always go big over small. Outside of the 1989-90 season, All-Star Daugherty had been relatively durable, although his career would be sadly cut short by injuries in 1994. Underrated Daugherty had career averages of 19.0ppg, 9.5rpg & 3.7apg on his way to 5 All-Star appearances in his 8 year career.

2. Boston: PG- Mark Price (picked #25)

The 1986 NBA Champion Boston Celtics were loaded in the frontcourt, so my pick would've been to deepen their backcourt. The starters were very good, Danny Ainge & Dennis Johnson, although they could've used a backup PG, and Mark Price would've been great. His addition could've helped Celtics' legacy endure that bit longer, although you can't fault them for taking the best available talent in Lens Bias. Mark Price was a 4-time All-Star during his 12 year career in which he averaged 15.2ppg & 6.7apg. He also had a career 3pt shooting average of 40.2% and an NBA history best FT shooting average of 90.4%.

3. Golden State: SF- Chuck Person (picked #4)

Although Dennis Rodman is probably best available, the high octane Warriors don't want a defensive minded player (as much as they might need one), so they'll look for the best offensive player available. For me it's a toss up between The Rifleman & Ron Harper. If it hadn't of been for knee injuries, I would've had to have gone with Ron Harper, who was a star in the making. Instead, I'm going with Chuck Person & his 18-20ppg over the next half decade. Seems like a crazy choice to have Rifleman here at 3, but for me, this is the way it seems to be falling.

4. Indiana: PF- Dennis Rodman (picked #27)

Pacers were quite well set up front with Wayman Tisdale, Herb Williams & Clark Kellogg (he does weekly updates on College Hoops 2k8 game ), & have a solid PG in Vern Fleming. I feel their biggest need is not Dennis Rodman, but a SG who can be the man. Although he would suffer some injuries along the way, Ron Harper seems to fit the bill. Pre-injury, this guy was a wonder. However, I can not seem to drop Rodman below this spot, so he goes here.

5. New York: SG- Ron Harper (picked #8)

I actually originally had Rodman falling here, but after re-consideration, he goes one higher, which is the shame for New York, as The Worm would've been a great fit for the Big Apple. Either way, they can't lose with Ron Harper, who would've made an immediate impact to their team.

6. Phoenix: SG- Jeff Hornacek (picked #46)

Although picked by the Suns originally at 46, his career suggests that he probably could've gone 40 spots earlier. A one-time All-Star who averaged 14.5ppg & 4.9apg, fell not far short of an immaculate career 50-40-90 average (49.6% FG, 40.3% 3pt, 87.7% FT). He would later net the Suns Charles Barkley in a trade with the 76ers, which is greater reason for them to select him at this spot.

7. Dallas: C- Arvydas Sabonis (picked #24)

It was hard for me to get Sabonis in here considering he would not join the NBA until 1995, but nobody else stood out at this spot, so he scrapes into the lottery. Sabonis was best talent in this draft. If he was playing today, he would be surefire number 1 pick in almost any NBA Draft. That's how good he was.


Toughest omissions: John Salley (#11), Dell Curry (#15), Scott Skiles (#22), Nate McMillan (#30), Drazen Petrovic (#60).

Biggest flops: Chris Washburn (#3), Kenny Walker (#5), William Bedford (#6), Brad Sellers (#9).


Without a doubt, if Sabonis gets over straight away, he's a lock for number 1. Even if he took 5 years instead of 10 years to come across, he'd be top 4 or even higher. That's how good Sabonis was & how bad the rest of the draft was. As for Len Bias, I can't bring myself to call someone who died a flop. The pick may be a flop in hindsight, but I still won't call it that. I'll just call it unfortunate, much like most of the 1986 draft.

1985 re-draft is next on the agenda, but should definitely be better quality than this one. Cheers.

[Andrew]

Interesting take, turns out I had six of your top seven. I see your point about Len Bias, "flop" and "bust" might not be a completely appropriate term to use here but it needn't be used disrespectfully if it's referring more to the pick. What happened to Bias was indeed sad and very, very unfortunate.

I'll do 1985 too as once again I'm interested to see how close I am to your take:

1. New York: Patrick Ewing (picked 1st)

For all his shortcomings, he remains one of the all-time greats and easily one of the best in this Draft. It's tough to put him ahead of Malone who has a much stronger argument as the greatest of all-time at his position but I think the Knicks would still go with the seven footer since the Mailman's career yielded just as many rings.

2. Indiana: Karl Malone (picked 13th)

I can't put the Mailman any lower than this. As I said, you could make a case for him to be first overall but I still think the Knicks would have gone with Ewing, if only because there's a bit of chicken and the egg when it comes to Stockton and Malone. Still, the player who is arguably the best power forward we've ever seen can't go any later than this.

3. LA Clippers: Joe Dumars (picked 18th)

The Clippers originally went for a big man (Benoit Benjamin) but I'm not sure they'd go the same route if they knew what kind of player Joe Dumars would turn out to be, so I'll slot Joe D in here at third.

4. Seattle: Chris Mullin (picked 7th)

Xavier McDaniel wasn't a flop but ultimately the sharpshooting Mullin had the better career. I think they'd go for Mullin's deadly shooting over the bruising play of the X-Man, especially since they ended up moving him for Eddie Johnson a few years later to make room for Shawn Kemp.

5. Atlanta: Charles Oakley (picked 9th)

He doesn't have the size of Jon Koncak but he would have been a defensive force inside and a tough player to compliment Dominique Wilkins in the frontcourt.

6. Sacramento: Terry Porter (picked 24th)

Arguably the best player still available, had some excellent years and memorable playoff performances in Portland and was a solid backup later in his career. Certainly a much better pick than Joe Kleine.

7. Golden State: Detlef Schrempf (picked 8th)

Again, he's probably the best player still available though you could perhaps also throw AC Green or Mario Elie in here. I think Schrempf would fit into Nellie's unorthodox approach to offense with his three point range.

Toughest omissions & Honourable Mentions: Xavier McDaniel (4th), AC Green (23rd), Manute Bol (31st), Tyrone Corbin (35th), Gerald Wilkins (47th), Michael Adams (66th), Spud Webb (87th), Mario Elie (160th)

Biggest flops: Wayman Tisdale (2nd), Benoit Benjamin (3rd), Joe Kleine (6th), Keith Lee (11th), Kenny Green (12th), Alfredrick Hughes (14th), Blair Rasmussen (15th), Uwe Blab (17th)

The Hawks could have also drafted Gerald Wilkins 41st overall pairing him up with brother Dominique, something that would eventually happen in 98/99 in Orlando.

[Drex]

160th! GTFO! Screw Arenas, now that's a guy with a chip on his shoulder.