Chicago Bulls Thread

i'm a bulls fan, but even with Gordon, i think Chicago's going nowhere next season

i'm a bulls fan, but even with Gordon, i think Chicago's going nowhere next season

what about if we had kept Ben and traded Deng+ Thomas or something for Boozer? then we'd have a terrific team with Noah/Miller, Boozer, Salmons, Gordon, Rose and Captain Kirk as the 6th man! good enough to get to the second round at least, and perhaps get to the ECF! >.<

Reinsdorf's a baseball guy, he's a business man when it comes to basketball. he probably thinks luol deng is white...

i think its spin control by Reinsdorf. he didn't really answer some of the questions lol.

he's not going say he made a mistake with Gordon but he does make himself look like a fool when he said they withdrew the offer Gordon even after Gordon agreed to it.. citing it was too late

and it was silly to say there would be not be enough minutes for Gordon next year to keep him happy.

IMO- Reinsdorf didn't want Gordon around in the 1st place. who the hell makes up their own deadline when an offer is good or not? Gordon was probably upset over that and surprisingly stayed professional about it. i can't blame him for bolting at the 1st offer he got, to a team in the same division no less.


valor: no one will trade for deng right now. i'm convinced isiah thomas even wouldn't if he was still a gm

i think its spin control by Reinsdorf. he didn't really answer some of the questions lol.

Can't put it any better than that. Those answers contained so much rubbish and drivel you'd think he was running for office.

But "organisations win championships", right? Funny, there hasn't been any banners since Jordan and Pippen left the building.

i think its spin control by Reinsdorf. he didn't really answer some of the questions lol.

Can't put it any better than that. Those answers contained so much rubbish and drivel you'd think he was running for office.

But "organisations win championships", right? Funny, there hasn't been any banners since Jordan and Pippen left the building.

maybe he is!

Doesn't look like much is happening on the Boozer front, but apparently David Lee's name has entered the mix with a possible sign-and-trade to the Bulls.

But one well-placed insider volunteered this tip when it comes to Lee's situation: "Keep your eye on Chicago."

I like the idea. He's a legit double-double player, last year he averaged 16 ppg while attempting just 11 shots per game and he's only 26. But it seems unlikely, so at this point I'm not getting my hopes up.

Honestly if the Bulls get Lee, they become very likeable for a fan like me that isn't aligned to any one team. I'd probably keep Tyrus Thomas as I'd like to see both of them on court together. If they did get Lee, get rid of pothead guy Noah.

i'd be happy with Lee if it doesn't take Rose, Hinrich, Salmons or Miller to get him in that sign-and-trade

Doesn't look like much is happening on the Boozer front, but apparently David Lee's name has entered the mix with a possible sign-and-trade to the Bulls..

lol, Boozer looks like a happy fangirl having a pic with Wade in that article

Valor, Hinrich is mediocre, and was about to be traded for Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Brad Miller is old, and while good, is worse than Lee in nearly every area except passing and overrated intangibles. John Salmons is pretty good, but is one of those guys that has been called underrated so many times that he has inadvertently become overrated. And David Lee is younger and far better. Obviously Derrick Rose wouldn't be put into such a trade, though Lee was more valuable this year.

lamrock,
Miller's biggest value aside from being a perimeter shooting big man is his expiring contract. lee is nice and all but i don't see the bulls at this point using their future cap space on that type of player

regardless of Salmons being overrated/underrated, the Bulls shouldn't include him in a deal for Lee. they can't go into the season with a guard dept chart of rose, hinrich, hunter, pargo

btw what "value" stat are you using w/rose &lee?

the x i'd choose Noah over Thomas should the bulls ever acquire a post scoring threat. his versatility to guard both pf/c would be a better fit

PER and win shares, both of which overwhelmingly favor Lee.

Valor, Hinrich is mediocre, and was about to be traded for Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Brad Miller is old, and while good, is worse than Lee in nearly every area except passing and overrated intangibles. John Salmons is pretty good, but is one of those guys that has been called underrated so many times that he has inadvertently become overrated. And David Lee is younger and far better. Obviously Derrick Rose wouldn't be put into such a trade, though Lee was more valuable this year.

Hinrich mediocre but Salmons pretty good?
Overrated intangibles is too beautiful a phrase to contest.

If it's a straight up S & T with NY they'd never take Hinrich back right? Too expensive non-expiring.

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Honestly if the Bulls get Lee, they become very likeable for a fan like me that isn't aligned to any one team. I'd probably keep Tyrus Thomas as I'd like to see both of them on court together. If they did get Lee, get rid of pothead guy Noah.

Every franchise needs a pothead. Except maybe Utah. I never figured Noah was one though.

Seriously, Noah shouldn't be traded and won't I expect. He's high energy, good defender, versatile as air gordon said, fan favorite great for the entourage of the game especially at home and he is cheap. On top of that he strikes me as a loyal guy who would be great from the bench too if things would change. Like Kirk Hinrich, disappointed but swallowing his ego and contributing to the team in another role without complaint or lack of effort.

Noah was probably the teams most important player. A front court of him and Lee would easily keep the Bulls in the playoffs.

Send them Hinrich and Thomas for Lee and Robinson.

i'd be happy with Lee if it doesn't take Rose, Hinrich, Salmons or Miller to get him in that sign-and-trade

If it's Lee or Boozer coming the other way, I'd cut that list down to Rose, Salmons and Noah. Rose for obvious reasons, Salmons for depth and an outside scoring threat and Noah for his defense, as air gordon said.

Lee and Noah would be ace as a frontcourt pairing. They would probably lead all NBA duos in rebounding. I'm not prepared to give up on Noah yet. I don't want to give up on Thomas either, but it would be worth it if David Lee was coming the other way. I'd probably prefer him to Carlos Boozer as well.

Between Boozer and Lee, they really have to pick their poison. If Boozer doesn't pan out, he's gone at the end of the year while Lee would be signed longterm, and of course if Lee doesn't pan out then they're stuck with him longterm. On the other hand, if Lee pans out then he won't be going anywhere anytime soon while Boozer could do well, give the team hope and then bolt. I guess it's worse to be stuck with what turns out to be a bad contract than to lose someone but gain the cap room, but it'd suck to see another talented frontcourt player slip through their grasp.

Toss up for me. If I had to pick one I'd probably go with Lee and hope there's no marquee free agents who would've wanted to go to Chicago this coming offseason.

David Lee just seems like the kind of player who would pan out wherever he went. He's a workhorse, a great energy guy, a great team guy. Those are traits that are transferable to any situation. He may not be a 20-10 player like Boozer, but he'd be extremely consistent and work hard in practice and in games. Which is why it's ridiculous that the Knicks have made no moves to get him to stay, but have instead been going after guys like Ramon Sessions and Von Wafer (who are quality players, don't get me wrong), but they should be extending Lee the same kind of courtesy that he's been showing them.

That's the thing though, I think he could be a 20-10 player, or at least near enough. He averaged 16-11 last season, give him a few more touches and I think he could be around 18-11. If you've got Salmons as the perimeter scorer, Rose chipping in a consistent 16 ppg or so and running the club along with Lee getting around 18 ppg that could work. Hopefully you'd also be getting respectable contributions from Deng and/or Hinrich depending on who's around.

Then again, that's 16-11 on the Knicks who don't really have any other go-to players. The Bulls, on the other hand, actually have other players with talent and so the onus of the team's gameplay schemes isn't going to be on David Lee.

I do agree though that Lee is a solid contributor, but I don't really know if I'd place him as a 20-10 player.

That's true, but take out Gordon's shot attempts from this year's Bulls and you have enough to cover the attempts that Lee was getting with the Knicks last year.

PER and win shares, both of which overwhelmingly favor Lee.

ahh... win shares.. that's it. thanks for pointing that out

could Lee really be a 20ppg.. on the bulls?

Deng certainly will be demanding a lot of shots. Salmons taking a lot of the iso-type shots Gordon was known for. and as mentioned, Rose will be asserting himself in his soph yr

there's a lot of talk on sports radio of the bulls trying to trade Tyrus Thomas and Luol Deng playing some PF. the latter sounds pretty interesting. it should open up easier scoring opportunities for him. maybe we'll see a lot of small ball with a lineup of:
noah
deng
salmons
hinrich
rose
.. especially late in games

could Lee really be a 20ppg.. on the bulls?

I think he could be. If nothing else I think he could match his 16-11 from last year which wouldn't be too shabby if Deng is healthy, Salmons takes care of business at shooting guard and Rose is more assertive. Deng at power forward is interesting though, a small ball lineup has proven to be a bit of a spark plug for them at times.

I would love it if the Bulls got Lee. I don't want to give up on Thomas either, but I just don't see it happening. If they could get Lee, Thomas can go.

The lineup I'd like to see is Rose, Salmons, Deng, Lee, Noah
Heinrich and Miller off the bench. Don't forget Pargo who can come in and shoot the lights out at times. But, my view is different than a lot of others because I think Deng will be pretty good this year. And, I think we're better off without Gordon.