The Knicks Thread....

[shadowgrin]

Amar'e doing his best LeBron impression.

[thor16]

Amar'e doing his best LeBron impression.

Come to think of it, Amar'e has been doing a lot of traveling as well lately.

Where's Pringles in all of this? He should be telling Carmelo to be less selfish and Amar'e more assertive.

I think it's two things, obviously I'm not an expert but.. First off, Amar'e has always been kind of laid back guy in my opinion, easy to coach, hard worker and not looking for all that self glory (Mind you, Amar'e was the leader in trying to get CP3 to Knicks, alongside himself and Melo).

Carmelo is a scorer in his prime, who is probably still looking and dreaming of a MVP title( ), so when D'Antoni, a coach who has no experience in dealing with superstars(Nash and Amar'e, okay, but Nash is a veteran and probably bought into D'Antoni on the first day), comes in and tells him to stop being a selfish cawk, he just laughs him off.

The two need to resolve their own problems as far as I'm concerned, and to add on Pringles - He needs to go, obviously it's not a run'n'gun team anymore and his style don't fit the current core. I mean, seriously, we can't get any worse than this, can we? Something as easy as fighting over screens isn't still fixed by him(or Woodson), that's one of the most simple drills in defensive training.

D'Antoni is supposed to be an expert in offense and we suck at that right now and Woodson is supposed to be a defensive mastermind, we suck at that as well. (Even though in my opinion, we have gotten slightly better at it)


TL;DR VERSION: BRING BACK JEFF VAN GUNDY!!!!

[Jeffx]

That will NEVER happen. There's no love lost between Van Gundy and Brain-Dead Dolan.

[Andrew]

Watch Gallo have a career game.

You called it.

[Jeffx]

Watch Gallo have a career game.

You called it.

It's a Knick tradition. Many players have career nights against us, going back to Wilt.

[shadowgrin]

Sixers are planning some kind of tribute for it on its 50th anniversary.

[NovU]

http://www.nba.com/POLLSERVER/results/57993.html

Melo's tonight's stats
1 point on 0-7 shooting

T-Chan: 9/10 for 20 points plus the 17 rebounds
Chan is just crazy. I think he's been the best center so far in this season, at least efficiency wise he has been. And yes, some of his numbers are comparable to the guy above. Just nuts.

[Andrew]

His 11 rebounds and 4 assists aside, that's probably about the worst game a player like Melo could have playing 30 minutes or more (well, 29:38, close enough). Great game by Chandler though, he was definitely a great acquisition but it's a shame it came at the expense of leadership and stability in the backcourt.

[Jeffx]

Much better ball movement last night. That's what we need more of, not Carmelo going 1-on-5.

I keep hearing Davis is coming back real soon.

[thor16]

Much better ball movement last night. That's what we need more of, not Carmelo going 1-on-5.

I keep hearing Davis is coming back real soon.

That + rebounding was key.

[Jeffx]

Much better ball movement last night. That's what we need more of, not Carmelo going 1-on-5.

I keep hearing Davis is coming back real soon.

That + rebounding was key.

...and the Knicks take three steps back with the loss to Cleveland. 23 turnovers - unreal

Miami and Houston back-to-back - yikes.

[thor16]

Much better ball movement last night. That's what we need more of, not Carmelo going 1-on-5.

I keep hearing Davis is coming back real soon.

That + rebounding was key.

...and the Knicks take three steps back with the loss to Cleveland. 23 turnovers - unreal

Miami and Houston back-to-back - yikes.

I think we seriously fucked up amnestying Billups, I like Chandler and all but in D'Antonis system, a full paced PG > Defensive Center

[Lamrock]

Tyson Chandler is the only thing that's working for the Knicks this season. When's the last time you saw a D'Antoni team 7th in defense?

[thor16]

Tyson Chandler is the only thing that's working for the Knicks this season. When's the last time you saw a D'Antoni team 7th in defense?

When's the last time you saw D'Antonis team pretty much in the bottom of the league in offense?

[Lamrock]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2004.html

[thor16]

Injured Amar'e and Marbury for most of the season was the cause of that. (You see the resemblance between that team and current Knicks?) We have 2 of the leagues better scorers in the team and they're doing horrible.


meanwhile:
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/01/27/heat ... index.html

[Lamrock]

It's also worth noting that the Knicks had a losing record with Chauncey Billups last year. It's more likely that Melo is the problem. Before that ridiculous trade last year, the Knicks were a few games above .500 and Stoudemire was an (albeit undeserving) MVP candidate. They're a bad fit together, Stoudemire is at the end of his prime and Carmelo is overrated.

Keeping Billups and not signing Chandler would have been a good move, but not for the reasons you stated. Chandler is quite injury prone, and not signing him could have set them up for both a top 5 pick and a big free agent in 2012. They wouldn't be winning games, but as long as they finish with a bottom two record, they'd be in a good position going forward.

Wait, you wanted a championship right?

[kibaxx7]

Keeping Billups and not signing Chandler would have been a good move

Yeah, IMO Billups was a keeper. But the Knicks gave away Turiaf for Chandler and know there's no real backup center here (Jordan? Harrellson? come on). With Baron coming back the team will get a couple of wins... but we all know that Nash will end up signing here in June. The team wants him and Steve loves the city.

"Next stop, Splitsville? For the Knicks to contend, their best move might be to admit their mistakes and break up the team" (which I gotta disagree).

[shadowgrin]

we all know that Nash will end up signing here in June. The team wants him and Steve loves the city.

Unless Nash wants to win a ring. Heat it is then.

[thor16]

It's also worth noting that the Knicks had a losing record with Chauncey Billups last year.

Actually Knicks were 13-10 with Billups in the lineup as far as I remember. (Not including playoffs)

It's more likely that Melo is the problem. Before that ridiculous trade last year, the Knicks were a few games above .500 and Stoudemire was an (albeit undeserving) MVP candidate. They're a bad fit together, Stoudemire is at the end of his prime and Carmelo is overrated.

I agree, Felton and Stat were a prime fit together.

Keeping Billups and not signing Chandler would have been a good move, but not for the reasons you stated. Chandler is quite injury prone, and not signing him could have set them up for both a top 5 pick and a big free agent in 2012.

...Right.

They wouldn't be winning games, but as long as they finish with a bottom two record, they'd be in a good position going forward.

*nevermind this line, don't wanna start an internet fight over this lol.

Wait, you wanted a championship right?

Yes and clearly, we weren't on the path of doing it before Melo or after Melo trade. Which brings us to the conclusion that it's not the roster that needs fixing, it's the game style.

[shadowgrin]

Game style you say? So the Knicks need a new coach...



He can also be a GM. Talented! What a steal!

[rise]

They definitely shouldn't break up the team just yet. They've been dealing with injuries, chemistry issues, and other stuff early on. Remember when everyone was saying the Heat won't get anywhere when they started off 9-8? They got their shit together and went on to be the second-best team in the NBA last season. The Knicks are still a work in progress, as they've had next to no training camp. I can see why Amar'e's had issues early on, with Tyson dominating the inside, and Melo everywhere else, and they've been getting in Amar'e's way.

I thought this would be the best frontcourt in the league, and while it still is the most talented frontcourt in the league, they need to work stuff out, and seeing as they will never the kind of return Denver got from Carmelo, they shouldn't trade their stars just yet. They should at least wait until they've played Baron Davis for awhile.

[shadowgrin]

Remember when everyone was saying the Heat won't get anywhere when they started off 9-8? They got their shit together and went on to be the second-best team in the NBA last season.

The Heat have two guys that can handle the ball and set plays, the problem was their bench. The Knicks have more problems compared to that Heat team.

The Knicks are still a work in progress, as they've had next to no training camp.

So do the rest of the league.

[Jeffx]

Seven turnovers in the 4th quarter last night...so sick of Toney Douglas.

Knicks have already gutted the team twice - to get under the cap, and to get Carmelo. They can't keep doing this shit.

[The X]

I would've preferred to see them keep to the course with the core of Amar'e, Wilson Chandler & Gallo then add pieces through free agency, draft & trades. Without the Melo trade, they could've signed Tyson Chandler or somebody else through free agency.

They would be a better team than now with more flexibility. But I guess not title worthy.