Lakers Thread

by **LakersRule24** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:56 am

I agree Kobe went overboard. But I would not trade the best player in the league, i'd try to build around him first.

by **Laker Socks** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:36 am

dont you get it?

the lakers have tried building around him. did not work.
its either the lakers get a bonafide superstar or he demands a trade to chicago.

yes, its no secret in all laker boards that kobe wants to be traded to the bulls. i hope he considers portland though.

by **Sauru** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:47 am

does kobe himself go to any of these laker boards?

by **Laker Socks** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:52 am

no

but reporters, radio show hosts that interviews people in the laker org on a daily basis do.

oh and smush has a myspace. :lol:

by **magius** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:00 pm

But I would not trade the best player in the league, i'd try to build around him first.

i don't understand. i thought that's what san antonio was doing.... where are you getting your information?

by **---** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:18 pm

I read some guy has video of Kobe going nuts on Kupchak because Kupchak doesn't want to move LO and Bynum, he's either going on the radio to talk about it soon or has just been on.

Apparently Kobe said "get ready to get your Bulls jersey" during the tirade.

I don't know about other Bulls fans but I don't want him here. As long as we only give up one of the Luol/Ben combo I would do it, but I don't see the Lakers management being happy with just one of them if they can't accept getting a tru superstar in return in Jermaine O'Neal.

I don't know if anyone posted about the video, but I didn't see it on here.

EDIT: The majority of Laker fans think they're getting Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, #9 and a filler... No way in hell Pax gives that up, ever.

by **[Q]** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:29 pm

my roommate was listening to the laker's radio station on the way to class and he said someone has a video of kobe saying "get your bulls jerseys" or something. man i am sick of all this Kobe talk. just trade him already.

by **LakersRule24** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:40 pm

magius wrote:
But I would not trade the best player in the league, i'd try to build around him first.

i don't understand. i thought that's what san antonio was doing.... where are you getting your information?

Many people around the world consider Kobe the best player in the league right now.

by **Sauru** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:55 pm

magius wrote:
But I would not trade the best player in the league, i'd try to build around him first.

i don't understand. i thought that's what san antonio was doing.... where are you getting your information?

come on now magius, this is completly wrong, i think you and me can agree that the "building" phase is completed in san antonio

by **magius** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:29 pm

lakerskobe247 wrote:
magius wrote:
But I would not trade the best player in the league, i'd try to build around him first.

i don't understand. i thought that's what san antonio was doing.... where are you getting your information?

Many people around the world consider Kobe the best player in the league right now.

yeah, if by "right now" you mean "not winning."

come on now magius, this is completly wrong, i think you and me can agree that the "building" phase is completed in san antonio

no, td said he wants more help or else he'll demand to be traded and take it back.

by **LakersRule24** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:15 pm

magius wrote:
lakerskobe247 wrote:
magius wrote:
But I would not trade the best player in the league, i'd try to build around him first.

i don't understand. i thought that's what san antonio was doing.... where are you getting your information?

Many people around the world consider Kobe the best player in the league right now.

yeah, if by "right now" you mean "not winning."

Fine. Most skilled/talented.

YouTube · by **shadowgrin** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:14 pm

Most skilled/talented.

LeBron, Garnett.

by **Axel** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:32 pm

I miss days of the Lakers dominating.

I hate the Spurs, don't get me wrong, but the Lakers were so much more fun to hate. Now it's a waste of my time and effort to hate them.

:sigh:

YouTube · by **shadowgrin** on Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:16 pm

The LAL roster management around Kobe is so pathetic that I can't hate Kobe anymore.

by **LakersRule24** on Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:00 am

shadowgrin wrote:
Most skilled/talented.

LeBron, Garnett.

No way. Kobe can do a lot of things lebron and garnett can't do. They dont have much over Kobe. If anything, Kobe is top 5 most skilled player in NBA history.

On topic, many people that think Mitch is the problem in the FO is wrong. Mitch is really Jim Buss's puppet, so JB is the one that makes the decision. Mitch does whatever JB tells him to do.

YouTube · by **shadowgrin** on Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:07 am

Shooting:
Kobe > LeBron and Garnett, definitely

Defense:
Kobe > LeBron, absolutely, but Kobe > Garnett, I don't think so.

Killer Instinct (clutch)
Kobe > LeBron and Garnett, surely

Other than shooting and clutch, Kobe isn't over much LeBron and Garnett in terms of other skills (passing, rebounding, etc.).

by **maes** on Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:04 am

lakerskobe247 wrote:No way. Kobe can do a lot of things lebron and garnett can't do. They dont have much over Kobe. If anything, Kobe is top 5 most skilled player in NBA history.

That's just going overboard, even for a laker fan.

I would put Kobe as one of the most athletic guys in history, but skill wise? What exactly does he do that's so amazing? Pinpoint cross court passes? Nope. Post moves? Nope. Rebounding? Ok for a guard, nothing of note. His best attribute is shooting, and he's a career 45% shooter.

Larry Bird was a career 49.6% shooter. Bird was a better midrange shooter, a better 3 point shooter, a better rebounder (10 rpg), a better passer, had more steals, had more blocks, and was more clutch...all with much less athleticism.

Kobe is definitely a great player, but he's a cut below the legends like Bird and Jordan. I won't comment on guys i've never seen play like Oscar Robertson but i'm sure old timers would tell you.

by **Sauru** on Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:30 am

gotta agree, saying kobe is top 5 ever when he has yet to carry a team, instead of being a 2 man. i honestly dont even think i would rate kobe top 10

by **LakersRule24** on Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:33 am

maes wrote:
lakerskobe247 wrote:No way. Kobe can do a lot of things lebron and garnett can't do. They dont have much over Kobe. If anything, Kobe is top 5 most skilled player in NBA history.

That's just going overboard, even for a laker fan.

I would put Kobe as one of the most athletic guys in history, but skill wise? What exactly does he do that's so amazing? Pinpoint cross court passes? Nope. Post moves? Nope. Rebounding? Ok for a guard, nothing of note. His best attribute is shooting, and he's a career 45% shooter.

Larry Bird was a career 49.6% shooter. Bird was a better midrange shooter, a better 3 point shooter, a better rebounder (10 rpg), a better passer, had more steals, had more blocks, and was more clutch...all with much less athleticism.

Kobe is definitely a great player, but he's a cut below the legends like Bird and Jordan. I won't comment on guys i've never seen play like Oscar Robertson but i'm sure old timers would tell you.

I'm talking about skill. Forget stats, accolades, and all that stuff. Compare their skill level. This is my definition of skill.
1. of the highest quality, unmatched excellence, skill or competence

Kobe possesses some of the skills not even MJ ever had. That's why I believe he is a top 5 most skilled player in the history of the game.

by **galvatron3000** on Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:53 am

maes wrote:
lakerskobe247 wrote:No way. Kobe can do a lot of things lebron and garnett can't do. They dont have much over Kobe. If anything, Kobe is top 5 most skilled player in NBA history.

That's just going overboard, even for a laker fan.

I would put Kobe as one of the most athletic guys in history, ...quote]

Michael Jordan
Julius Erving
Dominique Wilkins
Charles Barkley
Dwayne Wade
Clyde Drexler
Scottie Pippen
Latrell Sprewell
Vince Carter
there are other guy who are athletic or more even but not Marquee players, though Kobe is up there somewhere too

by **Laker Socks** on Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:13 pm

Kobe is a better lockdown defender than KG.

KG is overrated as a defender. He's a good weakside shotblocker, but at the same time he gets murdered by guys like Elton Brand.

YouTube · by **shadowgrin** on Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:46 pm

lakerskobe247 wrote:This is my definition of skill.
1. of the highest quality, unmatched excellence, skill or competence
That's why I believe he is a top 5 most skilled player in the history of the game.

"Unmatched excellence, skill, or competence"? lol
Who do you think is the better passer, LeBron or Kobe.
Better rebounder, LeBron or Kobe?
If Kobe is of "umatched excellence, skill, or competence" then he should be better than LeBron or anyone for that matter in terms of everything.

lakerskobe247 wrote:Kobe possesses some of the skills not even MJ ever had.

Like what exactly?
The only thing I could think of is shooting but even Jordan overcame that defiency and had better shooting percentages than Kobe.

There are also skills Jordan possess that Kobe doesn't have.
A good example of MJ's game pre-championship days would be Dwyane Wade, if Wade was on steroids. NBA legends describe him as "virtually unstoppable" (and that's coming from Joe Dumars) during MJ's youth, before the NBA had ticky-tack fouls.

Of course Kobe is a better shooter (81 pts. baby!) but see previous argument above.

Talk about your "umatched excellence, skill, or competence".

by **Laker Socks** on Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:59 pm

Wade? c'mon now. Young MJ didnt rely on the refs.

Young MJ is more similar to current Kobe.

YouTube · by **shadowgrin** on Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:31 am

Young MJ didn't have range in his shot. He didn't even have a 3-pointer.

by **Laker Socks** on Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:33 am

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