Magic make two blockbuster trades

[The X]

Don't see how it's a terrible trade for Wizards. They had to get rid of Arenas to move on. Lewis has one less year left on his deal.

Don't know why Magic didn't just re-sign Hedo a year & a half ago. He carried them to the Finals then they traded for Vince Carter, which was never going to end well since Carter is not a team player or a winner.

I liked what J-Rich was doing in Phoenix, but frankly they weren't going to repeat last year's heroics without Stoudemire in town. Great for them to get rid of Turk's toxic contract, pick up Gortat, pick up Carter's contract, which they can buyout pre-30 June 2011.

Don't really know what they're doing in Orlando though. Seems like they're admitting what everybody already knew, the Carter deal was crap, they should've overpaid to keep Hedo, not given Rashard that ridiculous contract & should've let Gortat go to the Mavs. The question is what is going to happen to Jameer Nelson, surely he gets moved too.

[Brave Sir Rubin]

To address some posts here....

The starting lineup should be Howard/Bass/Turk/J-Rich/ Nelson

I will be Howard/Turk/J-Rich/Gilb/Nelson, but hopefully Bass will get plenty of minutes in rotation.

Whoever said that Nelson won't start is an idiot.

....and X, the Magic didn't resign Hedo a year and a half ago because he opted to leave the team.

[rise]

I think both Richardsons should start.

C: Howard - PF: Bass/Turk - SF: Q-Rich - SG: J-Rich - PG: Arenas/Nelson

God, can't get over my favorite player's on my least favorite team. Well, not anymore. Lakers are now my least favorite team. Orlando now goes to second last. Thanks J-Rich.

[[Q]]

i thought turkoglu left because the magic didn't wanna give him toronto/portland money but what's funny is that they traded for him so they pretty much wound up paying him that money anyways.

[Cleveland wins]

I actually think this is going to be the starting five below, because Vangundy has already said that Nelson will not come off the bench. Howard, Bass, Turkulu, J-Richardson, Nelson. Although J-Richardson could probably be the starting small forward, because i think they said that Turkolu was going to be the 3.

Q-Richardson could play backup shooting gaurd or even the starting shooting gaurd with Reddick off the bench behind him. Another nice lineup would be the following, Howard, Bass, J-Richardson, Q-Richardson and Nelson. Backups, Anderson, Bass, Turkolu,reddick and Arenas.

[Andrew]

Three teams swap players that aren't working out and/or have outstayed their welcome for one reason or another, plus some serviceable spare parts. They're decent deals all around, everyone's had to bite the bullet and take a risk on an underperforming and/or overpaid player but there's the opportunity for a fresh start all around. Lewis may create a bit of a logjam in Washington but he can play both forward spots, Howard's out with injury anyway and his deal is shorter than Arenas' contract. Phoenix seem resigned to blow everything up if necessary, so while it sucks for Nash it's a move that suits that purpose.

Orlando of course can actually do something constructive with the trade this season, if they can make the pieces fit. Turkoglu and Arenas are not going to play up to their contracts - or at least, I'd be very surprised if they do and in Arenas' case in particular that's a tall order - but if they can fit into their roles and place in the pecking order, contribute without dominating the ball and stay healthy, it'll be interesting to see how far they go. I have a feeling they'll ultimately be overcome by the size of the Celtics or the Heat with their big three and a couple of players back in the lineup.

[shadowgrin]

The Magic had to do something after the Heat abused and stopped their offense cold.

[JaoSming]

pretty interesting trades....it doesn't make me think of the Magic as more of a threat in the east though

[Rukawa_11]

Hmmm looks like a good move for Orlando, making the team more younger, scorer but, i hope Arenas don't make some mistakes in Magic

[shadowgrin]

Arenas' teams: Warriors, Wizards, Magic.
Sounds like a fantasy role-playing game.

[Alpha_]

That's a nice move for both Orlando and Phoenix.. i think Arenas will be the starting PG..

[HisAerness]

IMO i don't like Turk at the 4 bcoz he is being out muscled by other PFs

[rise]

pretty interesting trades....it doesn't make me think of the Magic as more of a threat in the east though

What makes you think that? They easily came out on top in both trades. If you get Jason Richardson by trading Vince Carter, that's just downright unfair to the Suns, also Gilbert Arenas is still capable of playing very well, just not so much when he was playing behind John Wall. He'll probably play a ton better than Rashard Lewis.

As much as I hate to say it, I don't despise the Magic as much. Now that I think about it, a lot of my favorite players past and present have played for ORL, Grant Hill, Hardaway, prime T-MAC, now Jason Richardson, etc.

...back on topic: Marcin Gortat could be a start for Phoenix to find some decent rebounding, while Vince Carter may play better (or less worse) next to Nash.

[Axel The Great]

VC in a Suns jersey? That just won't look right at all.

Still, I like the deal for the Magic, they get good playmakers in Gilbert Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu. As long as they play better than they did with their former teams, they should be fine. The Suns getting VC is basically almost the same as having J-Rich, so I don't know what'll happen there. Really curious on how it'll turn out for the Magic though.

[puttincomputers]

I smell a mello trade soon based on this trade.
Could Phoenix trade Hill, Frye, and a pick for Melo now? doubtful
Could Orlando trade.. dont see a possible one here.
Now washington on the other hand.

would washington trading howard and thorton to the nuggets for mello work?

[Rukawa_11]

That's a nice move for both Orlando and Phoenix.. i think Arenas will be the starting PG..

That's my doubt, because Orlando have in your roster at PG, Jameer Nelson, Chris Duhon and Jason Williams, three good point guards, more moves soon by Orlando?

[NovU]

pretty interesting trades....it doesn't make me think of the Magic as more of a threat in the east though

What makes you think that? They easily came out on top in both trades. If you get Jason Richardson by trading Vince Carter, that's just downright unfair to the Suns, also Gilbert Arenas is still capable of playing very well, just not so much when he was playing behind John Wall. He'll probably play a ton better than Rashard Lewis.

As much as I hate to say it, I don't despise the Magic as much. Now that I think about it, a lot of my favorite players past and present have played for ORL, Grant Hill, Hardaway, prime T-MAC, now Jason Richardson, etc.

...back on topic: Marcin Gortat could be a start for Phoenix to find some decent rebounding, while Vince Carter may play better (or less worse) next to Nash.

I am with Jao on this one as I said above. VC and Richardson are pretty much the same players, good scorers without much defense. Turk and Arenas are wash. Also not sure how Nelson, Arenas and Richardson will co-exist and be happy to share minutes. Also Turkglu as their starting big, Orlando needs more depths in bigs without doubts, meaning something more needs to happen.

This well could be the initial stage of seperation between Dwight and Magic.

Anyways, I am just not happy with Nash's situation in PHX. Nash's getting old and he deserves better chance at the title. The PHX fuckers should do Nash a favor already and trade him. The guy's been dead loyal, not asking for trades even though that's natural thing to do in his situation.

[Rip32]

would washington trading howard and thorton to the nuggets for mello work?

If David Kahn were the Nuggets GM, yes.

[HisAerness]

would washington trading howard and thorton to the nuggets for mello work?

If David Kahn were the Nuggets GM, yes.

Nah! If David Kahn were the Nuggets Gm, he would get another PG

[[Q]]

the magic got earl clark too lol

[Alpha_]

That's a nice move for both Orlando and Phoenix.. i think Arenas will be the starting PG..

That's my doubt, because Orlando have in your roster at PG, Jameer Nelson, Chris Duhon and Jason Williams, three good point guards, more moves soon by Orlando?

Yeah, they should trade or even waive one of their backup guard. Other option is making Arenas as a backup SG?? kidding..

C Dwight Howard
PF Brandon Bass
SF Quentin Richardson/Hedo Turkoglu
SG Jason Richardson
PG Jameer Nelson/Gilbert Arenas

[benji]

What you're all missing is the most important point in the entire trade. With the Suns staff, Vince Carter will not have any opportunity to pretend he's injured. They've revived the careers of Antonio McDyess, Shaquille O'Neal and Grant Hill among others (and made improvements to Steve Nash, Channing Frye, etc.) over the last decade. We could be looking at a 27/6/4 Vince Carter who does the dunk contest again!

Other option is making Arenas as a backup SG?? kidding..

Why? The most sensible idea of where to use him is as the primary scorer off the bench. If you have Duhon/Williams, Arenas and Turkoglu out there you have three ball handlers and one scoring threat. Arenas isn't what he once was, but as a reserve at either guard slot he's in an ideal role because his job is to just jack shots and not screw things up too much.

This well could be the initial stage of seperation between Dwight and Magic.

Fuck. You're nuts.

VC and Richardson are pretty much the same players, good scorers without much defense. Turk and Arenas are wash. Also not sure how Nelson, Arenas and Richardson will co-exist and be happy to share minutes. Also Turkglu as their starting big, Orlando needs more depths in bigs without doubts, meaning something more needs to happen.

Turkoglu is not going to start over Bass, not going to happen. It's illogical. (Which is why it will happen?) Turkoglu is more likely to be on the floor in the fourth of close games than Quentin Richardson, there's no situation where he plays over Bass because Ryan Anderson is better anyway and the role doesn't even suit him.

Carter and Richardson are not pretty much the same player by any shape of the imagination unless you're describing players simply based on if they won the dunk contest or not. Carter is a solid three point shooter, but he's not Jason Richardson who hits about 40% and can and will jack them up at ungodly rates. Richardson once jacked 599 threes in a single season at a 40+% rate when he had carte blanche to do what he wanted. Carter is wasted as a spot-up shooter because he prefers to handle the ball himself in the mid ranges. Richardson isn't because he'll bomb away, and unlike Carter actually will head to the basket. Richardson also has little interest in setting up anyone but himself. With his size, three point shooting and the fact he won't disappear from games it's a better proposition for Orlando's system since he's not anymore turnover prone. Orlando added Carter over Turkoglu in hopes he'd replicate much of the playmaking Turkoglu did and be better at it. And they were pretty much right so Orlando lost nothing last season, but Orlando still has the flaws it's had for the last two seasons and they clearly want to figure out how to fix this. Rashard Lewis retiring from the NBA helped them make this decision.

So they flipped Carter for Turkoglu back, dumped Lewis for Richardson (which forced them to take Turkoglu back on) to promote Bass to where he should have been and added Arenas to boost bench playmaking. Gortat was this cost, and since Howard (unless he's fouled out) is going to be on the court in a close game it's not a completely huge loss. They still have pieces to shuffle about for a backup center down the stretch. (Though they botched this by letting Miami snap up every veteran retread out there, they should have nabbed Dampier for one thing.) They also have a 6-10, 260 guy sitting in the D-League who is probably being called up. Among other people they could bring in from the D-League and play for ten minutes when Dwight sits. If they aren't going to go with Bass there something he did for Dallas. Or even Ryan Anderson ala Matt Bonner.

Carter was a value proposition. Can we get a player for nothing (actually two since they got Ryan Anderson) who when our system of spreading the floor with shooters plus Dwight breaks down can create a few shots on his own? Carter turned out to not much better than Turkoglu. Now they have Turk back, now they have Richardson who can do so, also Arenas. And two of those three are coming off the bench. While Dwight, Bass and Nelson are right where we left them.

The Cavaliers and Magic built in the 2009 offseason to counter each other and neither paid much attention to Boston. Orlando is simply changing their plan away from trying to beat the 2010 Cavaliers.

[gyezra]

I'm really looking forward to seeing howard, turk, j rich, gil and nelson on the floor together.
I think this should be their starting line-up
C-Howard
PF-Bass
SF-Turkoglu
SG-Richardson
PG-Nelson.
Nelson will start as Stan just made this statement "Jameer Nelson will not come off the bench"

[NovU]

Interesting analysis. Can't counter. Lolz.

[Murat]

Magic 2009 oder Magic 1995. They were all awesome. Hedo in the Orlando, it rocks