well, the cavs are out, where will LeBron be in 2011?

[Dee.]

It's just crazy.
It should be funny how all of the other teams he won't sign with will be mad when Bron plays against them,the fans should go out.
I can already imagine Cavs fans scream the fuck at lebron if he signs with bulls or something.

[Martti.]

Wade wants to arrange a meeting with the other big free agents (mainly Bosh and Lebron, also Joe Johnson) and Chris Broussard said that Miami has the only chance to attract all three of them and create their own big three, that if all of them are willing to take a pay cut and reduced roles.

The Boston's big three said that they wouldn't been able to create it if they were younger and with Wade, Bosh and Bron, I doubt it will work. Although if they all can set their ego aside, Miami would win the title for many years to come. Man, that would be awesome. And the pay cut wouldn't be very huge, basically the same money they're earning now, ~14M.

[rise]

Damn that would be ridiculous. The Heat might actually win something then. Either that or they sign contracts accordingly but seperately for a couple years so that their contracts run out in the same year and they create their own team and maybe take Nash too. Shame there aren't any real kickass centers in the NBA except for Dwight *overrated* Howard. Then they could get the best frickin' starting lineup ever. Their bench players would have to be really shitty otherwise there wouldn't be enough cap space.

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[Andrew]

So I heard Lebron, Wade, Joe Johnson are going to communicate with each other to determine what team they will go to.Is this a rumor?

I think it's fairly certain there is some communication going on. As the Elton Brand/Baron Davis fiasco demonstrated, players do talk to each other about these things, making plans and informal agreements.

[Axel The Great]

Shame there aren't any real kickass centers in the NBA except for Dwight *overrated* Howard.

Is 18.3 PPG, 2.8 BPG, and 13.2 RPG in a regular season considered "overrated"?

[Dee.]

just do a facepalm...

[Axel The Great]

If you say so TheDee

[koberulz]

Shame there aren't any real kickass centers in the NBA except for Dwight *overrated* Howard.

Is 18.3 PPG, 2.8 BPG, and 13.2 RPG in a regular season considered "overrated"?

Anyone over seven feet with zero post moves is overrated.

[NovU]

Oops. Wrong post.

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[NovU]

if lebron was smart he would team with bosh not wade. no one is gonna get them all but 2 of them to one team can very well happen just makes no sense to team lebron and wade imo

Well... Who knows. Pippen and Jordan did great together. So perhaps... but yeah, I agree with you that probably it's better for Bron to team up with Bosh, which has been more of a successeful mix in recent histroy.

As for Bron, Wade and Bosh ending up on same team, I don't think it'll ever happen. Wade, I don't think is going to sacrifise max contract, just to be with them, let alone the other two. Unlike Bron, this is a last chance for the max contract for Wade. He's not young like Bron and many assume that he needs that max contract due to issues he has to deal with.

[Andrew]

Shame there aren't any real kickass centers in the NBA except for Dwight *overrated* Howard.

Is 18.3 PPG, 2.8 BPG, and 13.2 RPG in a regular season considered "overrated"?

Anyone over seven feet with zero post moves is overrated.

Only if people gush about their post game. By definition, no one can be overrated unless they are widely rated better than what they are, making it pretty subjective to begin with. A lack of dependable post moves is a common knock on Howard, so I don't think he's overrated because of that. It's a frequently acknowledged weakness in his game.

if lebron was smart he would team with bosh not wade. no one is gonna get them all but 2 of them to one team can very well happen just makes no sense to team lebron and wade imo

Well... Who knows. Pippen and Jordan did great together. So perhaps... but yeah, I agree with you that probably it's better for Bron to team up with Bosh, which has been more of a successeful mix in recent histroy.

As for Bron, Wade and Bosh ending up on same team, I don't think it'll ever happen. Wade, I don't think is going to sacrifise max contract, just to be with them, let alone the other two. Unlike Bron, this is a last chance for the max contract for Wade. He's not young like Bron and many assume that he needs that max contract due to issues he has to deal with.

If Wade and LeBron could share the ball, then I reckon it could work. LeBron is still sometimes tentative in the clutch - the Celtics series is a good example of that - while Wade is not one to shy away. If LeBron's going to defer to a teammate in those situations then Wade would be a teammate who could make it work. If you have the opportunity to put them together, you definitely give it a shot.

[NovU]

I agree with you on that, Andrew. Also I might add...

The reason why I think Wade and Bron might work out is because Wade already proved that he can play alongside another superstar. He's not as egoistic as most of superstars, mainly because his willingness to sacrifise. That's probably why there is even a speculation that Lebron might come to Miami. The question is not about Wade's ego, but if Lebron's ego is too big to come to Miami.

[Rip32]

Anyone over seven feet with zero post moves is overrated.

Like Andrew Bynum, right?

[koberulz]

I agree with you on that, Andrew. Also I might add...

The reason why I think Wade and Bron might work out is because Wade already proved that he can play alongside another superstar.

Who?

[Andrew]

I'd say he's referring to Shaquille O'Neal, who was on the way down but still playing a much larger role at that time.

[koberulz]

Hardly similar to LeBron, though.

[Andrew]

He never said he was. But it's still an example of Wade being able to co-exist with a another big name player with a significant role on the team and yes, a sizeable ego.

[Axel The Great]

Shame there aren't any real kickass centers in the NBA except for Dwight *overrated* Howard.

Is 18.3 PPG, 2.8 BPG, and 13.2 RPG in a regular season considered "overrated"?

Anyone over seven feet with zero post moves is overrated.

Dwight Howard isn't over 7 feet, he's 6"11". And where do you think he gets most of his points, perimeter shots?

[Oznogrd]

Shame there aren't any real kickass centers in the NBA except for Dwight *overrated* Howard.

Is 18.3 PPG, 2.8 BPG, and 13.2 RPG in a regular season considered "overrated"?

Anyone over seven feet with zero post moves is overrated.

Dwight Howard isn't over 7 feet, he's 6"11". And where do you think he gets most of his points, perimeter shots?

Post moves refers to things like footwork/positioning: fundamentals being utilized to get your shot (think Timmy D). Not my shoulders are the size of a truck so you're going to not be in my way.

[NovU]

I agree with you on that, Andrew. Also I might add...

The reason why I think Wade and Bron might work out is because Wade already proved that he can play alongside another superstar.

Who?

If you don't think Shaq at that time wasn't at superstar caliber level, you are off. People easily seem to forget how great he was.

Hardly similar to LeBron, though.

I wasn't saying Lebron is similar to Shaq, of course not. But Shaq's ego was as big as Lebron's. He wanted to become an instant leader on the floor and wanted the offense ran through him. And Wade DID NOT have a problem with it, which I think is important in this case with Lebron. It was only later when Wade started to take an actual leadership role and more burden on both ends of the the floor when the team was underachieving.

[koberulz]

Shame there aren't any real kickass centers in the NBA except for Dwight *overrated* Howard.

Is 18.3 PPG, 2.8 BPG, and 13.2 RPG in a regular season considered "overrated"?

Anyone over seven feet with zero post moves is overrated.

Dwight Howard isn't over 7 feet, he's 6"11". And where do you think he gets most of his points, perimeter shots?

Post moves refers to things like footwork/positioning: fundamentals being utilized to get your shot (think Timmy D). Not my shoulders are the size of a truck so you're going to not be in my way.

With Dwight, it's not even that. It's "I can jump over you, so my teammates are just going to randomly throw the ball near the rim". If it weren't for his teammates, he wouldn't score a damn thing.

I agree with you on that, Andrew. Also I might add...

The reason why I think Wade and Bron might work out is because Wade already proved that he can play alongside another superstar.

Who?

If you don't think Shaq at that time wasn't at superstar caliber level, you are off. People easily seem to forget how great he was.

And you then go on to say that when he was running the team, the team underachieved? Which is true?

I've got the 2006 ECF and Finals on DVD, I'll sit down and watch them sometime and see, but that was Wade's team. Further, Wade and Shaq could play off one another. A superstar perimeter player and a superstar big man can coexist. Two superstar wing players who run their offense mostly by isolating at the top of the key and penetrating aren't going to get on so well, because they have the same role. A big man and a perimeter player, on the other hand, complement each other.

West/Chamberlain, Wade/Shaq, Bryant/Shaq, Drexler/Olajuwon, Stockton/Malone, Bryant/Gasol, LeBron/Shaq, Magic/Kareem, and so on. Star perimeter players playing with star big men. It works. When have two perimeter players whose game was dominating the ball, penetrating and creating offense ever done anything together?

[Andrew]

When have two perimeter players whose game was dominating the ball, penetrating and creating offense ever done anything together?

Worked out alright.

[koberulz]

Scottie Pippen != LeBron James.

[Andrew]

Scottie Pippen != LeBron James.

Irrelevant. You said:

When have two perimeter players whose game was dominating the ball, penetrating and creating offense ever done anything together?

There is a prominent example - Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen - which you overlooked.

[koberulz]

Choosing between Jordan and Pippen as to who to give the ball to is easy. Wade and LeBron, not so much. Further, I'd suggest that not only does Pippen not fit the description given, Jordan had other aspects to his game too. Do either LeBron or Wade have a post game?