Miami Heat Thread

[shadowgrin]

Like a BOS!

[NovU]

i call em celts thus a minor mistake

yeah bos

they r a fun team to watch

cant say the same for orl

[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

Like a BOS!

Is this post even necessary? Everytime I check this forum, every thread has a post by this guy? Maybe because I am a new guy so I don't kow anybody here.

[Andrew]

Maybe because I am a new guy so I don't kow anybody here.

Pretty much.

[shadowgrin]

Like a BOS!

Is this post even necessary? Everytime I check this forum, every thread has a post by this guy? Maybe because I am a new guy so I don't kow anybody here.

[Oznogrd]

[NovU]

LOL at grin's pic. Epic as fuck.

To answer the xunderratedy's question, I believe grin's post was referring to this.

[_Steve_]

Interesting thing about Wade's plans in case of a long lockout: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/09/2305908/wade-could-play-abroad.html

[NovU]

There was a rumour he was offered to play in China for million a month. Just crazy.

As for Lebron, I hear he's working with Hakeem as well. Should be interesting how he'll improve on post up. He already was awesome at it last season when Bosh was down. When Bosh was back Bron also went back to being a perim player. Interesting though if he's to commit on being a post up player more often.

[rise]

Hopefully Hakeem gives LeBron a post game like Howard's. If that's the case, LeBron will be completely unstoppable.

[shadowgrin]

Hopefully Hakeem gives LeBron a post game like Howard's. If that's the case, LeBron will be completely unstoppable.

All that post game training is useless if he disappears in the 4th q of games again.

[Andrew]

Agreed. It wouldn't hurt LeBron to develop more of a post game of course but he's already got the tools to dominate at will...if he's willing to accept the challenge when it matters most.

[NovU]

It seems it's true his playoffs performance weren't as good as his regular season performance, in exception of 08-09. But still his playoffs numbers have been more than decent imo. Better than Kobe's as well in general. At this stage, I'm inclined to blame his supporting casts as well on his shortcomings.

[shadowgrin]

Spoken like a true LeBron fanboy.

[koberulz]

It seems it's true his playoffs performance weren't as good as his regular season performance, in exception of 08-09. But still his playoffs numbers have been more than decent imo. Better than Kobe's as well in general. At this stage, I'm inclined to blame his supporting casts as well on his shortcomings.

As opposed to the fact that he can't get rid of the ball quick enough and spends most of his time in the Finals dribbling away from the hoop?

[Martti.]

He had a triple-double, no points/rebounds/assists in the final 6 minutes in game #2 or smtg, so he got criticized, yet he said "I had a triple-double."

[shadowgrin]

Which I find that Wilt being compared to the stat-whoring of LeBron as ridiculous. Wilt and (recent) LeBron may not be 'clutch' or shy away from important late game situations but at least Wilt aimed higher than LeBron. Wilt made his stats because he wanted to establish records on the floor (and in the bedroom) that will last for decades while LeBron's comment made him look like he was only aiming for stats the way Ricky Davis wanted a triple-double.

[Andrew]

The triple-double comment was LeBron attempting to deflect responsibility and legitimate criticism while distancing himself from the loss. He didn't fail, you see. He had a triple-double! He's a winner, even when his team loses. Or at least that's the line he seems to be trying to sell.

If I were a Heat fan, his teammate, his coach or anyone else in the organisation, I wouldn't want to hear any of that. I'd want him to quit desperately trying to protect this image of someone who never comes up short (even when he obviously does at times, just like anyone else) and seek to bounce back from it, get mad, get revenge. It's not that LeBron isn't competitive, it's just that he seems to get it in his head "What if I come up short? I won't be able to be The King!" and loses his assertiveness on the court, passes up shots, distances himself. I realise that may be assuming a lot and I don't pretend to be able to read minds, but what other explanation is there for a player who's capable of being so dominant and does obviously care about winning becoming so passive in crunch time of big games?

[NovU]

It seems it's true his playoffs performance weren't as good as his regular season performance, in exception of 08-09. But still his playoffs numbers have been more than decent imo. Better than Kobe's as well in general. At this stage, I'm inclined to blame his supporting casts as well on his shortcomings.

As opposed to the fact that he can't get rid of the ball quick enough and spends most of his time in the Finals dribbling away from the hoop?

I was just talking stats.

Calm it, mates.

[koberulz]

Bullshit you were just talking stats. If you were doing that, you'd have come up with some numbers to back up the 'Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are a shitty supporting cast' argument. But you didn't. Hardly surprising, since those numbers clearly don't exist.

[NovU]

bullshit? man, just stfu and go to basketball-reference and see for urself. ain't arguing u no more on kobe vs bron

outside of wade, bosh, bron, the heat got dead bodies. wade & bosh shitty supporting casts? the trio were all the team there was.

[koberulz]

bullshit? man, just stfu and go to basketball-reference and see for urself. ain't arguing u no more on kobe vs bron

You're the only one who mentioned Kobe. I didn't watch the Finals this year. I have watched the first two games of the 2007 Finals. LeBron drove twice. In two games. Twice. Everything else was going away from the basket, and he settled for jumpers. Basketball-reference won't tell you that. There are doubtless numbers for it, though.

Admittedly, a lot of it is because nobody in the NBA can set a decent screen, so it makes sense to come off it going away from the basket because screens in the NBA seem to have no purpose beyond possibly creating a mismatch, rather than trying to get the ballhandler to the rim. However, there were plenty of times no screen was involved, or the defender was in a position where James could have attacked, and he failed to do so. By all accounts he disappeared in the fourth quarter of games this year.

You want to make supporting cast arguments for his lack of success in Cleveland? Go ahead. But there is absolutely no reason a poor supporting cast would decrease his fourth-quarter numbers. None. A worse supporting cast should lead to better individual numbers, and give LeBron more of a reason to take over in the fourth. Not less.

outside of wade, bosh, bron, the heat got dead bodies. wade & bosh shitty supporting casts? the trio were all the team there was.

I'm sure a team full of superstars would work so much better. Just ask the 2002-2004 US national team.

[NovU]

What number didn't exist again?

I mentioned Kobe since he's widely overrated due to the team's success whilst vice versa for Bron. And yes you were replying to it.

[koberulz]

What number didn't exist again?

What?

I mentioned Kobe since he's widely overrated due to the team's success whilst vice versa for Bron. And yes you were replying to it.

No, you mentioned Kobe to try and sidetrack the debate. Nobody was arguing LeBron vs Kobe, so there's no need for you to say you won't be arguing it. That's really no different from me saying that I won't be arguing Woods vs Nicklaus. It's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I don't give a shit what Kobe does, it has nothing to do with LeBron's tendency to disappear late in big games. Nothing.

Can't fathom who you think is underrating LeBron, though.

[NovU]

What number didn't exist again?

What?

What do you meant what? What numbers didn't exist? You claimed it. Don't play ur usual quit card.

I mentioned Kobe since he's widely overrated due to the team's success whilst vice versa for Bron. And yes you were replying to it.

No, you mentioned Kobe to try and sidetrack the debate. Nobody was arguing LeBron vs Kobe, so there's no need for you to say you won't be arguing it. That's really no different from me saying that I won't be arguing Woods vs Nicklaus. It's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I don't give a shit what Kobe does, it has nothing to do with LeBron's tendency to disappear late in big games. Nothing.

Can't fathom who you think is underrating LeBron, though.

No need? Just for you, maybe. Bron's numbers are better even in the playoffs. I was making a point that he's a greater playoffs performer than general perception despite sole criticism from this year's finals. Till the Finals he was unstoppable like at a level Kobe never reached before. Imagine if his teammates bailed him out in couple games like the rest of Lakers did for Kobe.